I have to agree with Surreal on this one. If they're planning on J/E in the grand scheme of things a lot of the tension between them has been resolved based on the idea of that kiss. So, how do you create tension as a writer?
Have a character who is guilt and doubt ridden over their actions. Also, prevent those same two characters from speaking for much of the movie, which is what is seen in the leaked script.
Not to mention, who says that it's a bad thing that she can't deal with what she did? If her intentions were so pure and simple with the kiss as saving the life of the crew, then why would she hate that part of herself that sacrificed him--unless there was more to it. Which is also what Terry said in the same quote.
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well...I smell something fishy about the ending ..I seriously think its gonna be a twist
and savvysparrow.. Jack hates the honest side of himself according to T&T
He hates it with a fiery vengeance..
which IMO may be indicating something..I don't think people are going to want to see Jack give up on his honest side..Its what makes us love him so much.
I think Elizabeth is the only one who can save him from that part dying....and staying dead.
Well said. No one wants to cheer for a dishonest, indecent hero. They all have to have a heart deep down. I think the only reason Jack doesn't like his good side is that it makes his life harder. It would be very hard to be a pirate and live up to a moral code. He was even marooned for sparing people's lives and being a good person. Sigh. He'll come around.
I cant read al this Im sorry I have a F****** sty in my eye. All the men from POTC stopped her mostly from fighting or expressing her rights. Norrington did that to her, Will, her father, and even Norrington's men. They just dont let her express her self and fight like she wants to. That makes her even more agressive and makes her even more untamable. With Jack he jsut lets her what she wants to be. And he's the only one who knows who she really is.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Well said. No one wants to cheer for a dishonest, indecent hero. They all have to have a heart deep down. I think the only reason Jack doesn't like his good side is that it makes his life harder. It would be very hard to be a pirate and live up to a moral code. He was even marooned for sparing people's lives and being a good person. Sigh. He'll come around.
Here, here. I think you made an excellent point here Misty. Jack hates his honest streak because it has made his life harder as a Pirate. Think about it, every time Jack has done the right thing, he's essentially been punished for it. (He did the right thing with returning the slaves to Africa, and Beckett burned his ship, he did the right thing in rescuing Elizabeth from drowning and he nearly was executed, he did the right thing in coming back to the Pearl to save the crew, and he was chained to the mast to die.) Of course he's going to hate that part of himself, but just as Elizabeth's pirate nature is an intricate part of who she is, so is Jack's honest streak. One of the themes in the series is the importance of identity, and what happens when the whole person is divided or kept hidden. People get hurt, and personal relationships can't actually happen.
It's harder for him to survive in the Pirate world as an honest man but he can't deny that aspect of who he is any more. He'll have to reckon with both sides of his nature just like all the other characters.
Originally posted by LovelyOne
umm......well...I smell something fishy about the ending ..I seriously think its gonna be a twist
and savvysparrow.. Jack hates the honest side of himself according to T&T
He hates it with a fiery vengeance..
which IMO may be indicating something..I don't think people are going to want to see Jack give up on his honest side..Its what makes us love him so much.
I think Elizabeth is the only one who can save him from that part dying....and staying dead.
And I think that's probably what he likes about her. Is that from the beginning of their rather unlikely friendship, she always recognized that he was a pirate and a good man, the whole of who he is.
So, I think you're not too far off the mark on that one. Also, I have to agree about the ending. The writers have said that with writing an ending, it has to be both logical, and at the same time shocking.
So it will be unexpected, but make sense with where the series has gone so far. That could be anything 🙂
Well look what happened to him between him and barbossa. Jack is too good of a person and honest. He trusted Barbossa and led him into mutiny. He also tried to be a good man when he rescued liz, which led him to his death. His taken all this by heart. I think that after liz chained him up he was still satisfied. He didnt completely lost, it was Liz who lost because she fel into the trap-his trap. Which made liz want him even more.
Well, something shocking and unexpected...
Maybe Beckett dies and his body is left behind, and as everyone sails off, he suddenly sits up and howls out to the world, "I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE!!"
That would be...not really shocking, since it seems to happen a lot in movies, but you know, shocking for the series. 😄
Or...it could be something different.
And, if you really think about it enough, at the beginning of the leaked script of AWE, Jack and Elizabeth have reverted back to their old desires of the first film, or so it seems. Jack seems to only desire the Pearl, and whatever good man was left seems to have disappeared (even though there are scenes that indicate otherwise), Elizabeth is desperately clinging to the idea that Will still loves her (not that she didn't believe that he didn't in CotBP or doesn't in AWE).
But, at least in Jack's case, clinging to the idea that he desired freedom above all else was what got him into trouble in the first place. He turns to that because it is safe, it means that he doesn't have to feel or be burned for doing the right thing.
Originally posted by savvysparrow
And, if you really think about it enough, at the beginning of the leaked script of AWE, Jack and Elizabeth have reverted back to their old desires of the first film, or so it seems. Jack seems to only desire the Pearl, and whatever good man was left seems to have disappeared (even though there are scenes that indicate otherwise), Elizabeth is desperately clinging to the idea that Will still loves her (not that she didn't believe that he didn't in CotBP or doesn't in AWE).But, at least in Jack's case, clinging to the idea that he desired freedom above all else was what got him into trouble in the first place. He turns to that because it is safe, it means that he doesn't have to feel or be burned for doing the right thing.
Jack just wants freedom above all else. But it led him troubles with Davy, Barbossa, hurricanes, the kraken, it led him into many troubles. Jack is in love what the pearl symbolizes which is freedom. But It got him into a lot of trouble.
Piracy itself its at its end. Theres too many hurricanes not enough treassure to steal. He could still use his ship, but piracy its still at risk.
ahem..but just because that good man appears to be dead when we first see him in the AWE draft script..doesnt mean he wont be coming back ...😉..there is something ..SERIOUSLY major missed out of that AWE draft script..and then when the audience see him come back they will ask "hang on....where's Jack's _____ of ____?" 😛
Originally posted by LovelyOne
ahem..but just because that good man appears to be dead when we first see him in the AWE draft script..doesnt mean he wont be coming back ...😉..there is something ..SERIOUSLY major missed out of that AWE draft script..and then when the audience see him come back they will ask "hang on....where's Jack's _____ of ____?" 😛
Aa dammit! Is this like wheel of fortune!? Do I get to buy a vowel?
Originally posted by savvysparrow
And I think that's probably what he likes about her. Is that from the beginning of their rather unlikely friendship, she always recognized that he was a pirate and a good man, the whole of who he is.So, I think you're not too far off the mark on that one. Also, I have to agree about the ending. The writers have said that with writing an ending, it has to be both logical, and at the same time shocking.
So it will be unexpected, but make sense with where the series has gone so far. That could be anything 🙂
because i gotta tell ya there is something FISHY goin on here...