savvy..as you say it has to match in with what we have seen with all of the movies so far..
And with Jack..the case is
bad man..develops..something major changes in his life. (yes Jack made 2 friends who he cares for above others in movie 1)
it happens in movie 1 and 2
but I think in the 3rd its gonna be like "WHOAH! REWIND WHAT?" hence the suppsed shocking twist"
and so movie 4 can begin...and tell us how 😄...possibly
again where was the interview where they said that can you give me a link?
Originally posted by LovelyOne
THANKS!! where did you hear that was this in an interview??because i gotta tell ya there is something FISHY goin on here...
It wasn't an interview and it was on this forum. Someone posted things the writers have said about screen writing, and I think it applies here. They said that 9 times out of ten an ambiguous ending will not succeed and that it really isn't good screen writing. So they said that the ending has to be both logical, and at the same time, have an element of surprise.
It was way back on one of the other thread, can't even recall the title. But it was in the progression of how to write a sex scene, character development that sort of thing.
But we have to keep in mind that even if the writers are doing a shocking twist of an ending, it has to have a sense of resolution to it. Gore, and pretty much every one involved has said that after AWE there will be no need to do a sequel. Now, they're intending to do a fourth, so logically, a movie perhaps about the legend of Jack Sparrow may in fact be in order...
It's up for grabs.
Originally posted by LovelyOne
savvy..as you say it has to match in with what we have seen with all of the movies so far..And with Jack..the case is
bad man..develops..something major changes in his life. (yes Jack made 2 friends who he cares for above others in movie 1)
it happens in movie 1 and 2
but I think in the 3rd its gonna be like "WHOAH! REWIND WHAT?" hence the suppsed shocking twist"
and so movie 4 can begin...and tell us how 😄...possibly
again where was the interview where they said that can you give me a link?
Yes, but Jack can't be pigeon holed as a bad man. He's more complex than that.
So what do you think is going to be the whoah, rewind moment. Jack murders Elizabeth and Will in their sleep?
—Synonyms 1. ambiguous, equivocal, cryptic, enigmatic describe conditions or statements not clear in meaning. ambiguous can refer to a statement, act, or attitude that is capable of two or more often contradictory interpretations, usually accidentally or unintentionally so: an ambiguous passage in the preamble. equivocal, usually applied to spoken as well as written language, also means susceptible of two or more interpretations, and it usually suggests a deliberate intent to mislead by avoiding clarity: saving face with an equivocal response to an embarrassing question. cryptic usually refers to intentional obscurity, especially in language, and often implies a private or hidden meaning but stresses resultant mystification or puzzlement: a cryptic remark that left us struggling to interpret his intention. enigmatic focuses on perplexity resulting from a mysterious or imponderable event or utterance, often one of great importance or deep significance: prophetic texts so enigmatic that their meaning has been disputed for centuries. 3. dubious, vague, indeterminate, unclassifiable, anomalous. 4. puzzling, enigmatic, problematic.
—Antonyms 1. explicit. 3. certain. 4. clear, precise, unambiguous
YEP^^ that kinda covers my theory if its an "ambiguous" ending..but it also coveres the other possibility too..but in terms of Jack and development it would be the most understandable thing..IMO
You're like a cat with the canary its mouth. You've obviously learned something that's changed the tune you've been singing...
Obviously, Jack has to revert back to his old ways, because as early as the scene in which Will reappears in DMC, it appears that she's reverted back to her old ways. So he has to prove more to himself than to any one else, how much he doesn't care for her or for anyone else. Hence why he trades her to Sao Fen, even though that's really partly his way of trying to teach her a lesson. The theme of AWE is that every one believes that Jack is a man without a heart. Which isn't the case sadly, but whether or not he can prove he does have a heart is completely up in the air.
Though why would movie 3 ending in the future imply that the next movie may in fact be a prequel?
when you say old ways for Liz what do you mean?..like her weak old self?
Yes something has changed my tune..not recently though...I've had a feeling about this for a long time..well there is a bit of a recent difference...a certain riddle I'm reading into that is linked with PotC
the way the ending in AWE revision script is..it could be either..but IMO something suggests one possibility is stronger than the other..and its the various subtle hints in DMC and AWE and that little riddle.
frig talk about being cryptc LovelyOne
Originally posted by LovelyOne
when you say old ways for Liz what do you mean?..like her weak old self?Yes something has changed my tune..not recently though...I've had a feeling about this for a long time..well there is a bit of a recent difference...a certain riddle I'm reading into that is linked with PotC
the way the ending in AWE revision script is..it could be either..but IMO something suggests one possibility is stronger than the other..and its the various subtle hints in DMC and AWE and that little riddle.
frig talk about being cryptc LovelyOne
When I say Liz is returning to her old ways, I mean that I'm of a mind that like Jack, Liz has developed a facade to navigate and survive in her world.
Jack's method of betraying before he is in fact betrayed is his method of surviving in the pirate world.
So, why can't the same be said of Elizabeth?
Actually, the writers have this great quote about how the only real act of piracy we see in the movie is when Elizabeth hijacks the Edinburgh without firing a shot. To which Ted asks, who does that sound like?
I'm saying that her clinging to her old values, Will and that she is the prim and proper Governor's daughter is her way of protecting herself from getting hurt essentially. Even though she is at heart, a pirate.
I'm also of the same mind that Elizabeth's interactions with Jack run deeper than lust. Certainly, that's a huge part of it, but I think she was trying to figure out the whole time whether or not he was capable of feeling the same way that she was.
I think that this was the case from the beginning of the movie and their first meeting together when she asks if Jack is telling her the truth.
She sees the good man, knows that he's there, and I think the combination of Jack's two warring personalities would be a man that she could give her whole heart to. But Jack works against himself and ends up sabotaging himself in in the end.
When Will returns, and Elizabeth's faith is shaken in him, she says, everything you said to me, every word was a lie. To which he replies, pretty much. Thus indicating to her that he can't be trusted with her heart. So she sacrifices him, and returns to Will because that is the safer route.
I dunno...if I were Liz I might cling to Will a little longer in AWE too! He's going to be so good-looking in his new duds I don't think Liz would ever want to leave him. Mmm, those boots...
Oh, and I am not sure that Disney would go for a really, really shocking ending. I think a surprise ending, but not the kind of soap opera-ish ending that a lot of people seem to be hinting at.
No matter what, it's still Disney, folks. 😄
Well, I said Will was the safer route. That doesn't make him the less good looking route 🙂 hahah, really if I were Liz, I don't think I'd make a decision.
And surreal has a point, the ending has to be logical, but surprising. They won't go for yet another surprise ending. It would be over kill. And keep in mind that they were not always intending to do a fourth movie. So there has to be a sense of closure....a sigh of relief if you will.
Honey, you could keep saying that Lizzie won't leave Will, but a new pair of boots and duds won't change his personality and actions. Lizzie will choose sure, but I believe she will choose what her heart desires not what she would run BACK to.
That's my key point, she clings to Will cause that's all she knows. She's known him much more than Jack, but at the same time she could connect with Jack much much more. As you could see with any scene the two have together.
I think the thing she's really afraid of is his lifestyle. He's a pirate, and that's risky, especially with the EITC on their tail. So maybe she'll stick with Will, but her pirate side and her burning curiosity will drive her to Jack.
I think that would be a worthwhile ending, not a sappy 'happily ever after' ending that Disney has been marked for. Afterall, it's not just Disney, it's Jerry Bruckhiemer and T&T, their famous for heartwrenching, beautiful and brutishly breathtaking films.
Not fairy tales.