Originally posted by LovelyOne
OMG kate..what do you think on that post?/ what are your opinions?they sure do..because the unexpected ending WAs given clues throughout the movie in DMC
there were various hints that Barbossa was there..but they SLIP past you until the second time you watch t
And hey, if you want a really big hit, let your hero smile in Act I, Act II and Act III. Works every time.
now THAT interests me a GREAT DEAL^^do you think they are talking about each act in 1 story or each movie seperatley
because at the END of each act in PotC 1 Jack is smiling and has LIZ on the brain
Jack in movie 2 ends it smiling and has LIZ on the brain
movie 3 act 3?
Yes, I've always thought that. But then I've always thought the romance was J/E and not W/E, especially after DMC.
Apparently, there is a quote from Terry somewhere that he thinks the most romantic scene in CotBP is the island sequence.
Anyway, it's a pretty classic story. This is the middle portion of the act in which the couple parts based on a series of unfortunate misunderstandings, which is basically all of DMC
They constantly misinterpret each other's signals.
LOL oh right. *feels stupid*.
okay, this is what i think.
<Ideally, the ending of a film is what the whole film has built to, in some fashion or other, all the way from page one.>
built to. W/L wasnt built to, it was reached in film 1. J/L has been a steady build up.
<The ending can't come completely out of left-field. It should be one of several known possibilities, or referenced as a possible solution sometime earlier in the film. The ending must appear to evolve naturally out of the elements that are known. You don't want to change the rules at the end of the game -- that's not fair.>
was it ever hinted at that Elizabeth would end alone in any of the films so far? nope. not that i can tell.
<And a final note, on those 'down' endings. Writers just starting out often succumb to the temptation of choosing a tragic ending. After all, tragic endings are rare in films, and therefore unexpected. And unexpected is good, right?
Problem is, tragic endings really not all that rare -- there are lots of unproduced spec scripts around with typical bad-script unhappy endings. The result is, usually, an unhappy ending for the writer.>
no tragic endings. thats pretty clear.
<And to top off this list of arbitrary claims, here's "Wordplay's Iron-Clad Rule of Box Office Success": let your hero smile. Most films, and all bad ones, have the hero striding along wearing dour expressions, looking like their teeth hurt. But think of any movie you love, and I bet you can remember a shot of the hero breaking out in a grin. And hey, if you want a really big hit, let your hero smile in Act I, Act II and Act III. Works every time.>
there's your proof that Jack is the hero.
<The audience will come to 'know' the character through their actions. When characters can make decisions that run counter to expectations, bringing reversals into the story, that's of immediate interest. (Once again, look at RAIDERS. When Indiana Jones ties up Marion instead of rescuing her, it's a marvelous reversal, and we gain huge insight into Indy's character by that one action.)>
Liz chaining Jack. Jack trading Liz. that doesn't mean they dont care about each other. just they have other plans/priorities to take care of.
<Characters, stories, and story beats fail far more often by not going far enough than by going too far. It is almost a rule that if you push a character, an emotion, or a situation to the absolute extreme, it will play on film. >
this convinces me that Jack's attraction to Liz (and vice versa) won't be left at curiosity. they're going to push it to the extreme.
<Externalize the issues, either into situations or other characters, and let the protagonist work things out where we all can see and hear it.
This is also known as 'visceral logic.' It's dangerous to play with, but a powerful tool. Beyond strict story logic, there is the emotional logic of the film. For example, if the audience wants something to happen, it's easier to make them believe that it can happen.”>
the fact that Will and Elizabeth never have external conflicts together means, to me, they are not going anywhere. Jack and Elizabeth have tons of externalized issues. building the expectation between them.
<This is the real trick. The unexpectedness of the ending is the true payoff, the reward for watching the film. It's the element the audience will weigh most heavily when judging the outcome of the story -- whether or not it was 'worth waiting for.'>
would i wait through 3 films to see something i had already gotten in 1? nope.
well movie 3 appears to be very Will/Liz based from many of the stories I;m hearing..but the ending is supposed to be obvous yet unexpected kinda thing right?..remember movie 2/3 is basically 1 movie split into 2! act 1 and 2 are both already there IMO in DMC..possibly the first half of AWE..
all the hints In the movies when it comes to THAT kind of ending with a child..ALL points to Jack.
the overt sexual tension of DMC between J/E..you just KNOW they are gonna have sex...you EXPECT them to have sex...but AWE would make you think..DAMN 🙁 never gonna happen..but it SHOULD!..hence we get the inevitable and Jack has had a son with Liz.
there are also various lines about children and it always revolves around JACK
Originally posted by LovelyOne
well movie 3 appears to be very Will/Liz based from many of the stories I;m hearingbut all the hints In the movies when it comes to THAT kind of ending..ALL points to Jack..the overt sexual tension of DMC between J/E..you just KNOW they are gonna have sex...but AWE would make you think..DAMN 🙁 never gonna happen..but it SHOULD!
there are also various lines about children and it always revolves around JACK
IYO In 3 they are going to make the viewers believe that Liz is madly in love with Will and vice versa. But at the end it's going to turn out differently? Am I right? I'll shut up now. 😮
Originally posted by LovelyOne
well movie 3 appears to be very Will/Liz based from many of the stories I;m hearing..but the ending is supposed to be obvous yet unexpected kinda thing right?..remember movie 2/3 is basically 1 movie split into 2! act 1 and 2 are both already there IMO in DMC..pissibly the furst half of AWE..all the hints In the movies when it comes to THAT kind of ending with a child..ALL points to Jack.
the overt sexual tension of DMC between J/E..you just KNOW they are gonna have sex...you EXPECT them to have sex...but AWE would make you think..DAMN 🙁 never gonna happen..but it SHOULD!..hence we get the inevitable and Jack has had a son with Liz.
there are also various lines about children and it always revolves around JACK
It has to be W/E based because that is where the story needs resolution. DMC was the beginning of the end so to speak. The writers have also said that their major complaint with Star Wars was that movie one and movie three end in the same place.
The events that occurred in DMC dictate specifically that the same ending can not and will not take place.
I dunno misty lol..I think they have established that Jack/Liz should be together..its been set up that they might have sex..you expect them to..also there's a child line in there that is rather suggestive..Jack jumps int a giant vagina just after being faced with Liz and smiling etc..
then movie 3 comes along and diverts the attention a bit possibly..so then the ending is still credible yet a complete shock if its Jack's kid.
Originally posted by savvysparrow
It has to be W/E based because that is where the story needs resolution. DMC was the beginning of the end so to speak. The writers have also said that their major complaint with Star Wars was that movie one and movie three end in the same place.The events that occurred in DMC dictate specifically that the same ending can not and will not take place.
you mean a J/E ending or a W/E ending?
cuz I would have said DMC was more J/E than anything else
but wait..yes its ONLY the middle of the over all story actually...come to think about it.
movie 1 was a story in itself ended bacng on W/E jack on own..movie 2/3 are one story IMO a NEW story..W/E again??
Originally posted by katelovespirate
giggle... how can it be liz/will based if they never talk?
They can make it W/E base, even though they are not going to be around each other that much In P3. You have a really good point there Kate. But they can imply it and make us believe through the whole movie that is going to be W/E ending. And at the end have the big shocker. 😱
I meant the beginning of the end for W/E. Sorry if that wasn't clear. What I meant to say was that the story for AWE has to focus on W/E because it needs to be resolved and concluded.
They can imply J/E easily but W/E has to have some sort of concrete resolution. I know that's a weird distinction, but it has to do with the way that movie one ended.
yes, but i think alongside a concrete ending, there has to be a hopefuly, redemptive ending.
it would disappoint me if they wasted the whole film just ending W/L. there's so much other resolution that needs to happen between various other characters, and no one wants to watch a film that is just about explaining the previous 2. there needs to be some fulfillment of all the hints/actions/themes, as well.