i think what they meant with the star wars thing had nothing to do with the love triangle there, because there wasnt a REAL love triangle in star wars anyways. as if Lucas was clever enough to pull that off. 😄
i think they meant with the way movie 1 and movie 3 end--- they end the exact same--- they both end with the destruction of the death star.
Nope, they wouldn't have brought it up and emphasized it so heavily both blatantly and subtly if they weren't intending to do something with it in AWE. They're clearly not stupid or poor writers, so they've got an ace up their sleeves.
They can imply a J/E ending because the relationship thus far has flown beneath the radar in a lot of respects. So it would actually be out of character for them to give us this huge, sailing off into the sunset scene. What we will get is some subtle implication pointing us toward the J/E direction.
However, they have to focus on W/E for much of AWE because DMC focused so much on J/E. In a way, DMC resolved already that J/E are in fact meant to wind up together in some way, but AWE will have to resolve what the imlicates for W/E.
Originally posted by katelovespirate
i think what they meant with the star wars thing had nothing to do with the love triangle there, because there wasnt a REAL love triangle in star wars anyways. as if Lucas was clever enough to pull that off. 😄i think they meant with the way movie 1 and movie 3 end--- they end the exact same--- they both end with the destruction of the death star.
Ha! That's true. It's been a while since I've seen Star Wars that I forgot about the death star. But what I meant in terms of that quote and possibly what they were also referring to was the way that in Star Wars, both 1 and 3 end with a clear cut resolution, every one essentially getting what they want, and there's a happiness to it. See what I mean? There's no massive character development. Their priorities in 1 were the same as they were in three. If that makes sense. But you're probably right. I'm probably looking into it a little too much.
yes savvy I agree with that..the closure is IN DMC the emotional story is set. according to T&T.all thats left is to tie up the plot ends..the end of AWE should be inevitable based on DMC yet still a surprise.
When you look at DMC the emotional growth of all the characters has reached an important and no turning back point before it closes IMO
Elizabeth ends with no one else on her mind but Jack and vise versa because the entire movie built up to that.
Savvysparrow--- naw i get what you're saying. you arent reading into it too much at all.
but i would argue--- for Han especially, and Luke as well--- that there WAS some pretty significant character development. Han learned to love Leia as an equal, fight for a cause, give his life for a cause even.
but i do think their comment maybe was hinting that AWE is not going to end with the pirates happy and free, sailing into the sunset for the horizon, or happily kissing their loves, etc. its going to be different. probably more amazing, actually.
Originally posted by Mistypirate
Savy I understood everything except the line where you said, that it has to do with the way movie 1 ended. 🙁
Actually, I'm having trouble understanding myself but I'll try to explain the logic.
They can't leave the W/E aspect of the story unresolved essentially because of the clear cut resolution of movie one. They were madly in love, meant to be married and so forth. There can't be this dangling question at the end of AWE of, well wait a sec, weren't they supposed to be married?
Also, the writers have mentioned snippets about false ideals, and how idealism, or wrongly based idealism can get you into a whole heck of a lot of trouble. It happened to Jack when he gave up his soul for the "freedom" that the Black Pearl offered. Except, it resulted in the loss of his identity.
The writers have also said that movie one ends in an idealized love between W/E and how ideals are very difficult to achieve. If movie one is essentially an idealized love, and ideals are something that represents a loss of identity, then you see why W/E needs to be the focus of AWE?
Originally posted by savvysparrow
Yes, I've always thought that. But then I've always thought the romance was J/E and not W/E, especially after DMC.Apparently, there is a quote from Terry somewhere that he thinks the most romantic scene in CotBP is the island sequence.
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Jerry always thought that too it seems..seen that thing on CotBP DVD where he's taking pics on set and when he said "romance" he showed Jack/Liz together not Will/Liz
IMO W/E will NEED to be married..that will be their resolution to what movie 1 raised..but its a doomed marriage... Will cant stay with her..and So we see a clear J/E ending IMO..not a "smooch" but ..in the form of something that can give Jack a frigging purpose to exist...instead of him just ending wandering around the seas..pointless for him to end like that IMO
I do not want to see my fave character visibly/emotionally "MURDER "the most compassionate and lovable/human part of himself and have that unresolved and never returned to him..its disturbing and its in fact a tragic ending for Jack Sparrow IMO.
Well, considering the writers, director, and producer, are all worldly-wise adults, i would hope they see true romance as J/L. plus they are all (and have proved by past movies) clear about what they think is hot as far sexual references and the like.
do you ever see W/L fans sitting around saying "oh guys, wouldnt it be amazing if there was hott w/l sex scene in AWE?!"
nope. w/l just dont have that vibe.
this had nothing to do with anything. sorry.
Originally posted by LovelyOne
IMO W/E will NEED to be married..that will be their resolution to what movie 1 raised..but its a doomed marriage... Will cant stay with her..and So we see a clear J/E ending IMO..not a "smooch" but ..in the form of something that can give Jack a frigging purpose to exist...instead of him just ending wandering around the seas..pointless for him to end like that IMOi do not want to see my fave character lose the most compassionate and loveable part of himself and have that unresoved..[b]its disturbing.
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I always thought that AWE its gonna be like a farewell tribute for will/liz. A relationship that was and is never meant to be. Im sure that its not gonna be a jack/liz ending with kisses and all. I mean it will be aweful it would hurt both of these characters. Sometimes I think that its gonna be an ending similar from the first but im not talking about a will/liz ending. Im talking about the real ending which had jack thinking about liz.