Living Tribunal vs. Spectre

Originally posted by Mr Master
Rune (of the Ultraverse Universe located in another Multiverse)

gets the IG,

and with the help of the Soul gem is setting to conquer both the Ultraverse Multiverse,
and the Prime Multiverse:

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LT finds out about this, but can not act:

"There is a disturbance in the Fabric of Reality,
which centers around the Infinity Gems,
Yet, it is UNLIKE Anything that I have Experienced,
the NATURE of the disturbance is Beyond this Reality,

..... I must ask HIM for Help" (LT has to actually get outside help to interfere indirectly)
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And here's the "Help" the LT called for:

That's right ... the Silver Surfer:

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To be fair, the Soul Gem was trying to control Rune for dominance of the IG,
this lead to Rune's quick defeat.

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Anyhow,

Here's the PROOF,
that the LT didn't act against the IG because he didn't have the authority
over that particular circumstance:

"I have plucked you from the Frozen Time Stream
to PREVENT this creature from defying my decree,
that the Gems NEVER be used as One"
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[B]Surfer says,

"I know it is IN your Power to STOP this creature, so I suggest you do so yourself"

LT says,

"For this Self to ACT, ALL Three faces MUST AGREE ...
the Choice is yours, Surfer,
but the JUDGEMENT, as ALWAYS, is MINE"
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Same thing in the Warlock case,
LT had to first follow protocol and make a decision,
"Did he have the power" (authority in this particular circumstance)

We know he couldn't have been referencing the IG's actual power output,
LT had already Resisted, Shunted, and Nullified a raging Warlock attack:

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Besides the fact that the LT's bio clearly states the LT is more powerful than the IG:

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Nicely done Mr M thumbsup This makes perfect sense, the bio at the end ends it just right.

Originally posted by unknowable
Nicely done Mr M thumbsup This makes perfect sense, the bio at the end ends it just right.

What a surprise! i bet someone you were going to post soon after and pat MR Masters on the back, thanks for the five dollars 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
What a surprise! i bet someone you were going to post soon after and pat MR Masters on the back, thanks for the five dollars 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Just let it go. individual thought when it concerns pretty pictures has always been a weak point here. Dare challenge any one's OPINION and you are a plethora of degradations.

But i will admit Mr Masters has been polite and has definetly come a long way from when we first clashed, its not his fault people believe in his views and follow his line of thinking, its actually probably very satifying to him so more power to him

Originally posted by starlock
But i will admit Mr Masters has been polite and has definetly come a long way from when we first clashed, its not his fault people believe in his views and follow his line of thinking, its actually probably very satifying to him so more power to him

And it wasn't directed at master, As I have stated, master believes himself, so I can forgive him. He actually has his own opinion, tho forceful it maybe. It's the wankers who get to me. ANd the others who can challenge master, and who know how to do it well, won't.

Originally posted by starlock
What a surprise! i bet someone you were going to post soon after and pat MR Masters on the back, thanks for the five dollars

I bet someone you were going to disagree with my post, thanx for those five dollars. 😛

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Just let it go.
individual thought when it concerns pretty pictures has always been a weak point here.

Right, cause that's all my work is, "pretty pictures."

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Dare challenge any one's OPINION and you are a plethora of degradations.

You mean like you yesterday went crazy cause I proved that,

Darkseid/Etrigen never faced the ALE,
Darkseid didn't resist the ALE Aspect without getting KO, (one-shotted really)
Fate never directly equated his reality and the bridge reality between.

You got nerve.

Originally posted by starlock
But i will admit Mr Masters has been polite

🙂

Originally posted by starlock
and has definetly come a long way from when we first clashed,

So have you potna.

Originally posted by starlock
its not his fault people believe in his views and follow his line of thinking,

My views are straight from Marvel comics,
my line of thinking is completely influenced by
Marvel On Panel artistic illustrations,
On panel statements,
corresponding Official bios that certify on panel depictions.
Comments from the Writers themselves withIN Comics, or in Official sites.

Originally posted by starlock
its actually probably very satifying to him so more power to him

No emotional attachment of any kind do I have to someone agreeing with me.

Because for the most part, they're agreeing with Marvel, not me,
because I only convey what Marvel comics has established.
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I'm actually more satisfied that we can debate with an understanding of mutual respect Starlock.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And it wasn't directed at master,

Although you made your comment right after I posted the evidence with scans.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As I have stated, master believes himself, so I can forgive him.

😆

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's the wankers who get to me.
ANd the others who can challenge master,
and who know how to do it well, won't.

See I think this is very wrong,
you're hating on other members because they agree with me,
and you're hating on even more members
cause they're not forcing themselves to argue, against something that's right.

Top posters of kmc concerning Cosmics challenge me, not all the time,
but when they think I'm wrong, or inconclusive, they let it be known,
and they debate with me for as long as it takes.

When they don't make a comment,
well ... it's because in that particular circumstance,
they may feel I'm right.
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I think you should stay on topic, and keep that as the your prime interest.
And debate with class and respect that way we can enjoy this.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I bet someone you were going to disagree with my post, thanx for those five dollars. 😛

Right, cause that's all my work is, "pretty pictures."

You mean like you yesterday went crazy cause I proved that,

Darkseid/Etrigen never faced the ALE,
Darkseid didn't resist the ALE Aspect without getting KO, (one-shotted really)
Fate never directly equated his reality and the bridge reality between.

You got nerve.

🙂

So have you potna.

My views are straight from Marvel comics,
my line of thinking is completely influenced by
Marvel On Panel artistic illustrations,
On panel statements,
corresponding Official bios that certify on panel depictions.
Comments from the Writers themselves withIN Comics, or in Official sites.

No emotional attachment of any kind do I have to someone agreeing with me.

Because for the most part, they're agreeing with Marvel, not me,
because I only convey what Marvel comics has established.
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I'm actually more satisfied that we can debate with an understanding of mutual respect Starlock.

Although you made your comment right after I posted the evidence with scans.

😆

See I think this is very wrong,
you're hating on other members because they agree with me,
and you're hating on even more members
cause they're not forcing themselves to argue, against something that's right.

Top posters of kmc concerning Cosmics challenge me, not all the time,
but when they think I'm wrong, or inconclusive, they let it be known,
and they debate with me for as long as it takes.

When they don't make a comment,
well ... it's because in that particular circumstance,
they may feel I'm right.
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I think you should stay on topic, and keep that as the your prime interest.
And debate with class and respect that way we can enjoy this.

Um, I give you respect becuz you do what you do, and do it well. Whether I like it, approve of it, or think you are correct. Class isn't my forte tho. YOu'd do better to ask QUan to say DS Rules all. And THanos is a big Pussy.

Sometimes master, the really good posters dont' debate with you for you will get a case of diareah at the mouse and shit scans everywhere. Now that is just real. And then the absent of opinion will jump on the scan bandwagon. No offense to you, but I"ve seen it enough to know.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Nah. DC is far more than a megaverse. Omniverse was used in the JLA wildcats. Vertigo still exist, And then there is the creation that lucifer witnessed. a sea of overlapping verses.

JLA Wildcats???

Vertigo is that more then a Multiverse???

The creation that Lucifer saw is it more then a Multiverses.

Megaverses (marvels definition) is made from a undefined number of Multiverses.

Originally posted by Utrigita
JLA Wildcats???

Vertigo is that more then a Multiverse???

The creation that Lucifer saw is it more then a Multiverses.

Megaverses (marvels definition) is made from a undefined number of Multiverses.

Yeah. But we know that the kingdom still exist. Until it is fully explained in what fashion, we must assume it's out there somewhere as the omniverse or what ever it was. Vertigo has several mutliverses within it. And JLA wildcats shows the actual creation of the omniverse by the lOrd of time cracking time.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yeah. But we know that the kingdom still exist. Until it is fully explained in what fashion, we must assume it's out there somewhere as the omniverse or what ever it was. Vertigo has several mutliverses within it. And JLA wildcats shows the actual creation of the omniverse by the lOrd of time cracking time.

So vertigo can be called a Megaverse great.

Can you direct me to a place with a scan ore a reference ore something in that order???

Originally posted by Utrigita
So vertigo can be called a Megaverse great.

Can you direct me to a place with a scan ore a reference ore something in that order???

Now why would a scan be in order when DC rarely uses those terms if ever. Vertigo had several multiverses if I remember correctly. Lucifer's, God's, the other verses they saw out side of creation, ect.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now why would a scan be in order when DC rarely uses those terms if ever. Vertigo had several multiverses if I remember correctly. Lucifer's, God's, the other verses they saw out side of creation, ect.

just a good way to verify things thats all, I could also beginning talking about Arboris and there Omniverse and you wouldn't knew what the hell I was talking about I'm the same place as you are after having read this. Not being any more wiser on the subject.

But on another note. So if I can get a hold on JLA Wildcats there should be a reference to a Omniverse.

Originally posted by Utrigita
just a good way to verify things thats all, I could also beginning talking about Arboris and there Omniverse and you wouldn't knew what the hell I was talking about I'm the same place as you are after having read this. Not being any more wiser on the subject.

But on another note. So if I can get a hold on JLA Wildcats there should be a reference to a Omniverse.

IF my memory serves me correctly. Also the interview with grant morrison about JLA wildcats and what it meant. As for vertigo, I only meant that There prolly is no scan calling vertigo a megaverse, but there are instances of several mutliverses with in it, in addition to every vertigo story published is not with in the universe of lucy and pals.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IF my memory serves me correctly. Also the interview with grant morrison about JLA wildcats and what it meant.

Okay

Okay, I'm back.

But Erik,
I don't think having all creation inside you is such a big deal.

As we speak the Alien Entity is all of creation in Marvel,
in fact,
the Alien Entity recreated the entire Marvel Universe with a spark contained within him,
from the Void Before the First Big Bang.
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The Brothers, contain entire MultiverseS within themselves.
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Eternity contains all of creation in the Prime infinite Multiverse within him.
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Nth Man contains another separate Multiverse within himself.
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LT is above all these cats, in status and power.

I understand what you're saying but this would have applied if Spectre would have shown containing only a creation when in fact he contained multipled creations inside of him, ending and appearing again.

LT is more than just creation's Judge.

LT is the Heart of Marvel.
All Creation reverberates through him.
Alpha & Omega's (beginning & end of everything) Destiny spins in his hand.

And once again, LT sated he could be everything in the Marvel:

"I, who could be ALL, must be but a part, I must be apart"

Yes, but he is creation's judge but Spectre was multipled creations's judge, containing everything in existence inside of him. I remembered that scan with LT but I couldn't find it anywhere.

It's puzzling how The Presence wasn't there and yet some other being made Spectre God.

The Uni-Friend?

No one but the people here seem to think Spectre literally became one with God in that scene.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
It's puzzling how The Presence wasn't there and yet some other being made Spectre God.

The Uni-Friend?

No one but the people here seem to think Spectre literally became one with God in that scene.

The power of creation sure. But I don't remember one time the Source was referred to as an aspect of The Presence.

I could be wrong but I've asked people about it and still haven't seen a scene saying this.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
The power of creation sure. But I don't remember one time the Source was referred to as an aspect of The Presence.

I could be wrong but I've asked people about it and still haven't seen a scene saying this.

Checkout the Spectre thread,the Volume 4 section.
I'm sure it pops up when Hal visits the Source wall.

And how is the power of Creation not gonna be an aspect of the Presence?

Because the source of creation can have absolutely nothing to do with the supreme being.

TOAA has no relation to the Infinity Being and the IB made Marvel.