Will is Hot

Originally posted by savvysparrow
Oooo! Me gusta! I liked the part of Jungian psychology because all of the characters seem to have issues with parts of their circle being out of whack. For instance, Jack's shadow portion of his personality has overshadowed the other portions, thus causing him major problems.

It seems as though the characters need to accept certain part of their personalities in order to become whole. My question is, what is it that Will is lacking? Is it a shadow, or sinister self? What do you think Kate?

OHHH yay!!!! i love that about the shadow.

I think Will is a combination of a couple of things. I dont think he is lacking a sinister self, i just think he hides it well. (consider a few actions, like whacking Jack with the oar and leaving him to die in Isle de Muerta) It hasnt exactly been a part of himself he has worked on or developed--- he generally just squashes it, whereas Barbossa has got his down to a work of art. 😉

As for his shadow--- i think its one of the most obvious points of conflict in the story. I think the scene with Elizabeth below decks in 1 is a brilliant example of an almost fleshed-out shadow.
Will vacilates between anger and physical passion in this scene--- the shadow is manifesting.
I wonder whether his shadow is more similar to his father or to Jack himself. The fact that Jack shows up at certain moments, and the duality of their conversation during the first swordfight, makes me think sometimes that Will longs to be a person like Jack-- totally free.

A huge theme of the story is Will's process of Individuation, through the death/rebirth cycle, and his sudden need to save his father/ fight for a cause.

Originally posted by a-k-a-amber
I'll say something for Pirates Life fo... so far he has seemed very cool and very reasonable even though i Personally haven't had a convo with him

LOL he is a bad ass 😂 but in a good way

seriously K what ever

if this was a woman talking about the movie that she loves and also works on set your perverted mind wouldn't stoop to such lows as to question her intent..

and I cant believe you think we are all so impressionable that we would actually do things to get a hold of a script..the guy lives on the other side of the planet to me

you have insulted us and you have insulted Pirates life fo who is a very nice person on this board who has never made no rude comments or anything..I have a feeling your imagination may be running away with you.

Originally posted by LovelyOne
seriously K what ever

if this was a woman talking about the movie that she loves and also works on set your perverted mind wouldnt stoop to such lows as to question her intent..

and I cant believe you think we are all so impressionable that we would actually do things to get a hold of a script..the dude lives on the other side of the planet to me

yea like if whe were going to make a trip to LA sleep with this guy for a script 😂

Originally posted by Mistypirate
Please ma'am take in to consideration that the people that post here are not always perverts and low lifes, there are professionals that work in different kinds of fields such as Law enforcement to teachers. I understand your concerned, you should look out for your own daughter, so please that was way out of content, you are insulting our intelligence.

I'm actually offended myself because I've been generalized as a teenager who can't think for herself or decide what's inappropriate or not. Not to mention, I've been reduced to being the type of girl who would proposition a man who has knowledge of a movie script. Most women, teenager or not, wouldn't reduce themselves to that level.

alright~
carry on~

I go away for a few hours and I come back to find my poor thread is all about psychology of Will and discussion how pirateslifefo is a what????

Whatever the er...'concerned mother' says....um....I think the word here is troll. Get lost. Seriously. Even I, who have had many bad experiences with a pervert, hasn't even remotely considered him a threat. Now go away. This is the "Will is Hot" thread. You have concerns with someone, you should take it up with a moderator, and not spew inflammatory remarks like that.

Ok, now for Will...

Um...Will doesn't lack a shadow self, but like Elizabeth, he'll have to square with the fact that he actually has a shadow self. Most people don't like to admit that they have that side of them that can do horrible things...and enjoy it.

Eventually, he'll have to look at that aspect of himself, and look at Elizabeth's shadow self, and either learn to accept it, or to rebel against it and in the end, destroy himself.

I suspect though, that we will be seeing some form of acceptance, like we did in CotBP.

Originally posted by savvysparrow
I'm actually offended myself because I've been generalized as a teenager who can't think for herself or decide what's inappropriate or not. Not to mention, I've been reduced to being the type of girl who would proposition a man who has knowledge of a movie script. Most women, teenager or not, wouldn't reduce themselves to that level.

can this conversation be over? i dont think there's anything else to be said. We know the PLF is a good respectable person and a valued member of the forum. i dont think its important for us to defend ourselves to someone who clearly does not understand the way things work here.

Ah yes. There it comes. Does Will's shadow mix well with Elizabeth's shadow? Someone more familiar with the animus/anima side of Jungian psychology might need to handle that one. 🙂

Originally posted by katelovespirate
OHHH yay!!!! i love that about the shadow.

I think Will is a combination of a couple of things. I dont think he is lacking a sinister self, i just think he hides it well. (consider a few actions, like whacking Jack with the oar and leaving him to die in Isle de Muerta) It hasnt exactly been a part of himself he has worked on or developed--- he generally just squashes it, whereas Barbossa has got his down to a work of art. 😉

As for his shadow--- i think its one of the most obvious points of conflict in the story. I think the scene with Elizabeth below decks in 1 is a brilliant example of an almost fleshed-out shadow.
Will vacilates between anger and physical passion in this scene--- the shadow is manifesting.
I wonder whether his shadow is more similar to his father or to Jack himself. The fact that Jack shows up at certain moments, and the duality of their conversation during the first swordfight, makes me think sometimes that Will longs to be a person like Jack-- totally free.

A huge theme of the story is Will's process of Individuation, through the death/rebirth cycle, and his sudden need to save his father/ fight for a cause.

I really agree with the idea that Will is very similar to Jack in a lot of ways. I think that when we find out Jack's backstory that we will see a very interesting parallel. It's been rumored that Jack did not start out life as a pirate and that it wasn't until he was branded a pirate that he became one. I think the same can essentially be said of Will. Though he's not a pirate at heart, his act of rescuing Jack essentially branded him as a pirate. To me, it seems as though by the end of the story, they'll have come to a place where they trade places essentially, where it is Will who sails away to find freedom, and Jack who embraces a life that incorporates all that he is.

What do you think about Will's tendency towards rash action, and his willingness to murder Jack? Is that his attempting to murder that part of himself that he can't seem to live with?

Originally posted by savvysparrow
I'm actually offended myself because I've been generalized as a teenager who can't think for herself or decide what's inappropriate or not. Not to mention, I've been reduced to being the type of girl who would proposition a man who has knowledge of a movie script. Most women, teenager or not, wouldn't reduce themselves to that level.

exactly, women or teenagers aren't going to do that kinda thing just for a movie!!
you guys just go along on with your conversations-this person is a joke
either this person has problems with his/her's own child, or they aren't really who they say they are because women dont go around doing stuff like this. if this person has been reading our post/pirates life fo then they would know that we do not have sexual conversations, and for the most part we are always on topic. this person to me is a joke and should be not taken seriously.

and i say may not be the person they say they are because they asked lovelyone what she would do for the script. a conserned parent would not ask this type of thing because they wouldn't want another stranger to ask their child this online....unless its one screwed up parent....

Originally posted by Surreal_44
I go away for a few hours and I come back to find my poor thread is all about psychology of Will and discussion how pirateslifefo is a what????

Whatever the er...'concerned mother' says....um....I think the word here is troll. Get lost. Seriously. Even I, who have had many bad experiences with a pervert, hasn't even remotely considered him a threat. Now go away. This is the "Will is Hot" thread. You have concerns with someone, you should take it up with a moderator, and not spew inflammatory remarks like that.

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No it shouldnt be taken up with a moderator because Pirates life fo has done nothing wrong what so ever, there is no issue to be taken up with a mod. If she takes it up with a mod..I'm gonna personally PM rogue myself and say the woman is messed in the head because never once did I get the impression he was a pervert and neither did anyone else on this board..even another mother with children..and if he's the one who gets into trouble out of all of this in any way shape or form I'm gonna be pissed and file a complaint about K what ever..serious..get that lil troll banned...

Also Surreal I apologize for the convo drifiting OT and me beign a large part in that..also I'm sorry for earlier and the slight hostility between us 🙁

Originally posted by katelovespirate
Ah yes. There it comes. Does Will's shadow mix well with Elizabeth's shadow? Someone more familiar with the animus/anima side of Jungian psychology might need to handle that one. 🙂

Interesting question. It's hard to say if it does or doesn't. Certainly Elizabeth has more of the masculine quality and Will has more of the feminine at times. Though he sets out to rescue her, she is the one that succeeds in rescuing him. Do they balance each other out, or would their shadows come into conflict with one another? I'd say because Elizabeth's shadow seems to be, at the moment, overwhelming, that it's probable that they would conflict with each other.

What say you Kate?

double post sorry

Originally posted by savvysparrow
I really agree with the idea that Will is very similar to Jack in a lot of ways. I think that when we find out Jack's backstory that we will see a very interesting parallel. It's been rumored that Jack did not start out life as a pirate and that it wasn't until he was branded a pirate that he became one. I think the same can essentially be said of Will. Though he's not a pirate at heart, his act of rescuing Jack essentially branded him as a pirate. To me, it seems as though by the end of the story, they'll have come to a place where they trade places essentially, where it is Will who sails away to find freedom, and Jack who embraces a life that incorporates all that he is.

What do you think about Will's tendency towards rash action, and his willingness to murder Jack? Is that his attempting to murder that part of himself that he can't seem to live with?

OOOOH!!!!! good thought!!!! YES!!!! because thats precisely what Elizabeth does as well. And Norrington, I'd imagine.

I think Will's brash actions just have to do with his own mindset- how he views himself and the world. He had to be the man of the house from a very young age--- and during the very important developmental years of adolescence, he had a drunk master to deal with, his grief over losing his mother, the difficulty of his growing love for ELizabeth, and trying to conform to society under Gov Swann and Norrington, the adult men most prevelant in his life thus far.

Yes a reversal of character would be nice--- I think something we havent seen in Will as of yet is a true love of the sea/ freedom. We've never really pegged Will as someone obsessed with that- but is he? Could that be lurking under the surface as well?

as far as the masculine and feminine, I'd say Elizabeth is pretty in touch with her feminine too, though it would be more towards the feminine shadow/femme fatal thing, as she uses that feminine side for manipulation. I would like to see her grow at peace with her feminine side in such a way as to allow her the freedom to be a woman, be feminine, without losing her strength the way she does when she puts on her girly mask of fainting such.

Will--- I think a lot of times Will is overcompensating for his sensistive/honor nature by over-doing the masculinity thing--- practicing three hours a day, all of his brash actions and such. It would also be nice to see him mellow out and be masculine without being brash...

I always thought him fighting with swords was a form of repression? I mean practicing 3 times a day that is..the boy needs to get LAID

dude, he should just get a script and pop onto this forum. apparantly he'd get laid right away. OKAY SORRY my bad, that joke was in very bad taste, sorry.

Certainly he seems comfortable in a leadership role, and more importantly, as a warrior. He seems to slip into the woodwork of a crew fairly well, but you're right in that it doesn't seem to flow through his veins as it did with someone like Bootstrap Bill. In fact, I think it's so very interesting that his father seems to be discouraging Will from pursuing a life at sea. At the same time it seems almost inevitable that he'll be working with the sea on some level.

And back to the murdering of the hidden self. I think you're right about Norrington. Part of the themes of the story is what the characters sacrifice in order to achieve false ideals. They all seem to sacrifice their soul to obtain what they think or told that they want. Norrington sacrifices all that made him a great man in the first movie, in order to obtain what he believes will bring him greatness.

Actually, when you really think about it. All three men share interesting similarities and parallels.

I hate to say this, but your entire conversation is tainted with the J/E desire to get Will out of the picture, so that your 'happily ever after' can happen.

Is it possible that perhaps you are placing your desires and wishes onto his character to make it less likely for W/E to be together? I'm not trying to be mean, but I am trying to be fair.

Also, Lovely, I accept your apology and I apologize as well. 😄 See, we're all good now. 😄