Sparrabeth

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Love the passion, PirateDiva. It makes you wonder just who Disney itself was in favor of when they marketed it. They get to edit the trailers as they see fit, decide what goes on the toys, comic books, etc. It makes you wonder who championed what. Maybe there was a dispute or maybe Disney just wanted the same thing we wanted and T&T stuck to their guns with what they wanted to do. Or maybe it was a really tough call for T&T. I don't know, and it's one of the many reasons I'm looking forward to the dvd for their commentary.

Precisely, mate. Unlike you though, I ain't buying the dvd - waste of money and time. I'll just wait for you guys to fill me in on the dvd commentary and watch youtube videos for sparrabethy parts.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Love the passion, PirateDiva. It makes you wonder just who Disney itself was in favor of when they marketed it. They get to edit the trailers as they see fit, decide what goes on the toys, comic books, etc. It makes you wonder who championed what. Maybe there was a dispute or maybe Disney just wanted the same thing we wanted and T&T stuck to their guns with what they wanted to do. Or maybe it was a really tough call for T&T. I don't know, and it's one of the many reasons I'm looking forward to the dvd for their commentary.

Thanks....and yes it does make u wonder! But personally i think TnT were actually for Sparrabeth because many of the scenes cut out in AWE were Sparrabeth scenes....so if TnT actually included Sparrabeth moments in the AWE scripts they clearly wanted them to still uphold their chemistry and shine out to us...AGAIN!! The scenes were shot, but got deleted. IMO it wasnt up to TnT, it was up to whoever decided what should stay in the movie or not....like GORE for example!!! Somewhere down the line some little coniving Willabeth brute manipulated the story and got their way!!! UGH!

Sparrabeth was clearly the way to go! But someone wasn't smart enough and missed out on what could have CLearly been another Billion Dollar Blockbuster, because the movie would have been different! Heck the trilogy had already broken all sorts of boundries for a Disney movie! Why the heck didnt they live a little more and really pushed it!!! I really do believe that the lack of Sparrabeth Chemistry in AWE is what hurt the movie's chances to cross the Billion Dollar Mark!! Jack is the main Character...ppl want to see him Happy even though TnT say they never want to make Jack feel comfortable!! Thats why I feel it isnt over...It isnt over until Jack gets some happiness!!!

Originally posted by To Freedom
Precisely, mate. Unlike you though, I ain't buying the dvd - waste of money and time. I'll just wait for you guys to fill me in on the dvd commentary and watch youtube videos for sparrabethy parts.

I will be buying AWE DVD cause i wont miss out on some Johnny goodness!!

I will also buy the 3-Box set which is rumored to be called Pirates of the Caribbean: Trilogy Treasure Chest Box Set....something like that!! I think it sounds cute....but its suppose to include extra features including a possible short indy film (not useing any of the characters) using the Signaporian and Shipwreck Cove movie sets....since most of the sets wasn't seen in the film!! I heard it was an idea....dont know if they did it!!

"ppl want to see him Happy even though TnT say they never want to make Jack feel comfortable!! Thats why I feel it isnt over...It isnt over until Jack gets some happiness!!!"----PirateDiva

Who says he and Liz together would make him comfortable? She's a wild child that could get him in all sorts of trouble. He's enjoy every minute, but comfortable is not a word I would use to describe their relationship, romantic or not.

Originally posted by PirateDiva
Thanks....and yes it does make u wonder! But personally i think TnT were actually for Sparrabeth because many of the scenes cut out in AWE were Sparrabeth scenes....so if TnT actually included Sparrabeth moments in the AWE scripts they clearly wanted them to still uphold their chemistry and shine out to us...AGAIN!! The scenes were shot, but got deleted. IMO it wasnt up to TnT, it was up to whoever decided what should stay in the movie or not....like GORE for example!!! Somewhere down the line some little coniving Willabeth brute manipulated the story and got their way!!! UGH!

Sparrabeth was clearly the way to go! But someone wasn't smart enough and missed out on what could have CLearly been another Billion Dollar Blockbuster, because the movie would have been different! Heck the trilogy had already broken all sorts of boundries for a Disney movie! Why the heck didnt they live a little more and really pushed it!!! I really do believe that the lack of Sparrabeth Chemistry in AWE is what hurt the movie's chances to cross the Billion Dollar Mark!! Jack is the main Character...ppl want to see him Happy even though TnT say they never want to make Jack feel comfortable!! Thats why I feel it isnt over...It isnt over until Jack gets some happiness!!!

In my opinion, I think the culprits were Gore and Jerry....Just based on how Gore talks and his commentaries and such, I just think he wanted the sweet little love story between the governor's daughter and the blacksmith, turned Pirate....I almost choke when at the end of POTC 1, Gore says that Will has emerged as the Erol Flynn/ romantic Pirate of the movies...

Even after all of Johnny's success and popularity, for some reason Gore wanted Will Turner to be the hero and main character...gosh, Gore must have really disliked DMC...because it was obvious that Jack had emerged as the main character......

I guess, since it was a trilogy about the three main characters...Jack, Elizabeth and Will...it goes as such...
COTBP - Will's story or you could say Elizabeth's story...
DMC - jack's story
AWE - LIz' story or you could say Will's story...

I know, girls, what you say is true. It's just ever since DMC came out I have been on an emotional rollercoaster...in my personal life and here at KMC in the Pirate world......the day I wrote the negative stuff I was in a gully feeling down and low....today I feel better....I'm on the hill...

I know that Sparrabeth could not have been just an illusion...it was there before our very eyes...no way so many of us could be that misled...and it was so weird how all of us had the same thoughts...

Glad that things are going better, lovethemtigers 🙂 and sorry you had to go through some tough times.

Yes, I agree with you - no way Sparrabeth could have been an illusion. "Somewhere down the line some little coniving Willabeth brute manipulated the story and got their way!!! UGH!" - Piratediva

^^^Lol! I can totally see this guy/girl with a whelpabeth teeshirt on hiding sparrabeth footage.

Willabethers are not meanies or bullies. There wasn't some lobby on set, looking to shoot down or destroy the Sparrabeth plot line. The way the words have been going lately, IMO, Sparrabethers perceive themselves as pure Crusaders whose birthright has been stolen. What is, is, what is not, is not. In PotC 4, who knows what will be and in addition, who says Jack isn't happy as he heads off to the horizon?

I'm not even crazy about a POTC4, tex. Also, if you want to defend willabethers, fine by me, I like all of them just fine, but don't turn around and group the sparrabethers into one big category. Lovethemtigers and I are not the same person. PirateDiva and savvysparrow are not the same person. I don't like it when people say, "You can't stereotype this kind of person. You and your group are all _____." Just keep that in mind. I don't feel like anything was stolen from me. I wanted to see AWE, saw it, and liked it. Is it my favorite of the series? No. Do I think the writers are gods and everything they say is exactly how it should be? No. But they wrote a very good series that I enjoy very much and their vision is what got put onscreen, got Johnny a much-need Oscar nomination, sky-rocketed Orlando and Keira's careers, made pirates popular again, and earned millions and millions of dollars in dvds and merchandise. Obviously they're doing something right and I love the commentaries because I like hearing their thought process. So don't tell me I have no respect for people of another ship or for the people that decided who the "couple" was going to be.

Sometimes it really bugs me that we (POTC fans of all ships) fight so hard with who we think Liz belongs with...as if that should be her only mission in life.

even though I'm not obsessed with POTC as I was back when DMC was out....I'm still mad at T&T and everyone who had a hand in not allowing Sparrabeth to happen..I wouldn't care about sparrabeth not happening if they didn't have that flipping kiss at the end of DMC...heck I probably wouldn't be so mad if they didn't make it look as if she still wanted him after that kiss (when she goes to kiss him again) they pretended it didn't even happen in movie 3...what the?

Check out these POTC3 costumes:
http://www.buycostumes.com/Category/126/4294967189/results1.aspx

Notice that the whelp is not amoung them, lol. Sparrabeth proof, girls!

i was looking everywhere in january for an elizabeth pirate costume. and now they have one. grr!

Originally posted by texgodiva2s
Willabethers are not meanies or bullies. There wasn't some lobby on set, looking to shoot down or destroy the Sparrabeth plot line. The way the words have been going lately, IMO, Sparrabethers perceive themselves as pure Crusaders whose birthright has been stolen. What is, is, what is not, is not. In PotC 4, who knows what will be and in addition, who says Jack isn't happy as he heads off to the horizon?

LMAO! 😆 I'm going to assume that because i have been talking smack about a Manipulative Whelpabether lately (who is no one in particular... that I know of) that this comment was directed towards me! Lucky for you I'm not the CRUSADER you assume me to be....so I will calmy let this go for the sake of this Forum! 😂

Just know I'm a die hard Sparrabether and I strongly believe in my ship!! 😄

and let me answer ur last question with another....When the HECK is JACK ever happy when he does not have the Pearl in his possesion?? huh!

Parlay?! 😑

"So don't tell me I have no respect for people of another ship or for the people that decided who the "couple" was going to be."

Not even a vague possibility Miz WilloftheWisp--I put no words in other people's mouths, too busy getting my foot in mine you see. Also, I am now a bit surprized that you would attribute motive to me, evidence of which does not exist in my post. There is not a snowball's chance in an oven I believe any one of the unique spirits posting here to be the same as, or even similar to the others. Let me rephrase, I believe we are alive, we like PotC, and we are extremely capable of lively thought, in that we are similar. I am sad you heard such offense where none was intended. I have not nor will I ever try to tell anyone how to live what's given to them. Life's way too short for that useless activity.

"I'm going to assume that because i have been talking smack about a Manipulative Whelpabether lately (who is no one in particular... that I know of) that this comment was directed towards me!"

Miz darlin' PiDiva, Didn't really notice ya had been but if you say you have been, okay, already told you I want you on my side in a set to--I don't think the comments I made were post specific to anyone, just a general observation that Sparrabethers seem really dedicated (Crusaders).

You have assummed twice PiDiva--I assume nothing...makes that critter outta you and me. Your statement that you are a die hard Sparrabether supports my statement that you are dedicated to your ship, ie. Crusader. News? Hardly, it's the Sparrabeth site.

One truth, well stated I say, Jack --Pearl= a very 🙁 Jack. I do believe I read that correctly.

Accord?, load the cannons?, pax?--what heading do I set? If desired, I can surely curtsy deeply, raise my fan to my face, and beg sweet pardon for any supposed offense which might have been wrung from my rather quiet post. Not my first choice, however, your forum, your call. I asked for parlay--what exactly are the terms for accord? since I am loathe to give up something that usually provides pleasure.

Originally posted by PirateDiva
I will be buying AWE DVD cause i wont miss out on some Johnny goodness!!

I will also buy the 3-Box set which is rumored to be called Pirates of the Caribbean: Trilogy Treasure Chest Box Set....something like that!! I think it sounds cute....but its suppose to include extra features including a possible short indy film (not useing any of the characters) using the Signaporian and Shipwreck Cove movie sets....since most of the sets wasn't seen in the film!! I heard it was an idea....dont know if they did it!!

It's Singaporean, not Signaporian. 😉

Originally posted by texgodiva2s
Willabethers are not meanies or bullies. There wasn't some lobby on set, looking to shoot down or destroy the Sparrabeth plot line. The way the words have been going lately, IMO, Sparrabethers perceive themselves as pure Crusaders whose birthright has been stolen. What is, is, what is not, is not. In PotC 4, who knows what will be and in addition, who says Jack isn't happy as he heads off to the horizon?

oh by the way, this is the Sparrabeth thread...and we are allowed to bash will and liz as a couple if we so choose...so if you don't like it, then don't visit....just like I can't stand the willabeth thread...so I stay away from it....that sounded kind of harsh..but again, this is the Sparrabeth thread...

Jack doesn't appear all that happy....he's without his Pearl......how in the heck is he suppose to get to the fountain of youth on a small dingy and a bottle of rum...and a stupid compass that shows you what you want for just one instant but is ever changing...how can anyone find their way with such a compass!!!!????????

yes, the compass is a bogus piece of crap. stolen straight out of Pocahontas.

Jack looks like he is going to get insanely drunk. He's been through a lot. He clearly doesn't really care about the pearl much anymore. Or anything, for that matter. Jack is dull by the end of AWE. hardly the lovable rogue we met in cotbp. he got old and careful.

Barbossa, thank God, ended the film well at least. I sure love Barbossa. He's the only character that didn't disappoint me, aside from Gibbs.

Sparrabethers crusade.... hmmm.... that sounds interesting. I think we aren't so much on a crusade as depressed and grieving the loss not only of a great romantic idea, but a whole film. 😉

Tex, you are funny. I like the way you word things. And the idea of a lobby on set... tee hee....

Miz Kate, I truly understand the grieving process. I am grieving the hope and joy of looking forward to the next one. Feels like my best friend moved away.

I agree with you about Barbossa, didn't much care for him at first, but now the old man's looking pretty interesting. And darling Mr. Gibbs, what a hoot. I appreciate your kind words, I am sad you feel the loss so strongly (this from a person who was trying to figure out how to run over myself with my car after the end of AWE)--I was beyond pure D bummed out--I thought everybody got burned.

this is the Sparrabeth thread...and we are allowed to bash will and liz as a couple if we so choose...so if you don't like it, then don't visit
I am well aware of where I post, Miz Lovethemtigers, and to my knowledge I didn't say one word about bashing or not bashing will and liz, nor would I. If I didn't want to read this I wouldn't open this section, that goes without saying.

I like reading here, I love to know what lively twists other people see. You have excellent ability to think and express yourself--I like knowing something different, makes my world more better, fuller, with lots of interesting flavors.

I expressed my opinion, at least that's what I believed those little letters IMO meant. I didn't even say I think it's wrong or awful or bad or whatever that this might be the prevailing thread because that is not my place --I was identifying my opinion. I like playing here, it's fun to see what our creative loving natures will explore. Yes,I do perceive your if, then statement as harsh.

I can only offer what I wrote previously, if you desire a deep curtsy, full on fan waving, sweet pardon asked, then please, let me know. Life's too short to allow disharmony over this. I am sad you found offense where none was intended. After this, I can only ask about terms for accord, pax, or load the cannons. Please accept one truth about me, I am so much more the lover than the fighter.

I accept a truce, tex. I didn't think you were meaning to offend, but I wanted you to check your words. You've been a sweetie-pie since you came aboard, so no hard feelings either way. It's too good a day for me to worry about that.

"Jack looks like he is going to get insanely drunk. He's been through a lot. He clearly doesn't really care about the pearl much anymore. Or anything, for that matter. Jack is dull by the end of AWE. hardly the lovable rogue we met in cotbp. he got old and careful."------Kate

I have to disagree. I think Jack was pretty pissed that Barbossa took the Pearl. The whole time throughout the movie he calls it his ship and is very protective of it around Barbossa and his whole rant at the end of the movie is because the ship is gone. Now, I'll agree he's lost something else, a part of his soul, a small piece of him, whatever. Because this is because he now has to accept the fact Elizabeth is a married woman and loves him only as a friend, I don't know, but it does seem like a little bit of him is still dead. But I don't think he's dead enough to give up the Pearl. It's all he has and it's his prized possession. If it was his hat, I could understand, but this is his ship. What I think his plan is, and feel free to disagree, is that he's not going to the Fountain of Youth right away. I honestly think he's going to see Liz, not to try things, but to get her help. She is still the pirate king, lots of power, they have maintained their friendship, and their lives are connected. They're bound to run into each other again, so why not enlist her help? Have her get him a bigger ship and a crew to reach Barbossa, overtake him and get back the Pearl, and then get to whatever he wants...which I hope is NOT the fountain of youth. Ugh.