Sparrabeth

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
lets continue with our discussions......

dearest Miz Lovethemtigers, I will value every one of the people I have come to know here for a variety of reasons and I was sad to imagine I might have lost the sweetness of these exchanges. Thank you for your caring self and willingness to discuss even uncomfortable issues. You have been nothing but kind to me, teaching by example, although I don't know you ever knew that. If I may, I'd like to stay with this group and sometimes throw my two cents worth in. Like I told ImPiDiva, just ask me if I know where my feet are if you think I might be twisting off.

I'm an older, a flower child and I'd sooner shuck (clothes) and streak down Main than tell anyone else they were doing anything wrong that they were doing out of their heart of hearts. I am pleased we have accord--I'm really out of any kind of shot for the cannons. Glad, glad, glad, to be alive and well now.

new sparrabeth video to share to a song by the Jonas brothers 😛

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utZABSIXOzs

Originally posted by texgodiva2s
dearest Miz Lovethemtigers, I will value every one of the people I have come to know here for a variety of reasons and I was sad to imagine I might have lost the sweetness of these exchanges. Thank you for your caring self and willingness to discuss even uncomfortable issues. You have been nothing but kind to me, teaching by example, although I don't know you ever knew that. If I may, I'd like to stay with this group and sometimes throw my two cents worth in. Like I told ImPiDiva, just ask me if I know where my feet are if you think I might be twisting off.

I'm an older, a flower child and I'd sooner shuck (clothes) and streak down Main than tell anyone else they were doing anything wrong that they were doing out of their heart of hearts. I am pleased we have accord--I'm really out of any kind of shot for the cannons. Glad, glad, glad, to be alive and well now.

Miz Godiva, I'm older too than most of those that post one here...not quite a flower child...but older, married, family......
my obessesion with sparrabeth and jack has led me to this forum, which I have been posting on since july of 06...i came here looking to see if there were others out there that felt the chemistry and love between jack and elizabeth or wondered if i was just a lone bird cast upon a raft amid a raging ocean of emotion..and I found in my searchings here that I was not alone...that others shared my passions and saw and noticed things...I thought that finally in jack and elizabeth we had in the workings a romance for the ages...a romance that had been building since the day they met...when he fetched her from the ocean and freed her from her corsett...setting her "free" to discover a life and a world outside of port royal and fancy dresses....it's the the almost kiss after the kiss of death as Miz Lovelyone mentioned that really knocked my socks off.....

anyways, I digress....a tragic accident happend in july...only a week after I saw DMC for the first time.....my nephew/godson was injured in a diving accident and left paralyzed....and I'm miles and miles away and couldn't be with him or my sister....so, I couldn't sleep at night...so I found this forum...reading here and posting here and all the wonderful youtube videos kept me from crying about him...and longing to see him and my sister and the rest of the family.....so i found refuge here....sorry to burden everyone with my story...but for over a year now I've come here to find happiness...and then on May 25th...the happiness turned to sadness...

Lovethemtigers, I've been on here about as long as you have and I never knew that about your family. If you ever feel like talking about it, feel free to PM me. I'm glad POTC and this forum cheered you up. That's what movies are all about, taking us away into another world for a while and making us rethink our own. The pirate universe is definitely one that is easy to escape to and yes, I wanted Jack and Elizabeth to be right up there with Rhett and Scarlett, Rick and Ilsa, Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy. I think what ended up happening was unique and kind of refreshing, but I was so eager to see their romantic love grow.

Sweet babylovethemtigers, wherever you are--you're not by yourself in the dreaming and the comfort. My joy from this is hope--that in dreaming about Jack and Elisabeth and Will, I too am lifted from ungroovy reality of my life's unbalance--I have started every day since May 25, with the youtube 5 easy steps to be Captain Jack Sparrow becos I had to find a way to deal with my grief and frustration. I live with any number of totems I carry, possess, say, think, my posture has improved becos of how Jack saluted the hung pirates. And I come here to be amused, distracted, amazed, blessed, and enveloped by the bright minds driven by strong love. I crave with my heart of hearts, to find a love that will cause me to risk all, be all for that one other--you named it perfect the reach of her for him for that next kiss that was not to be.

Prayers for you and yours, prayers for hope and better, so sad of your burden, so beautifully glad that you trusted us to share. I have to say, whodathoughtit? I was so concerned that I was being read out of this congress, separated from the pleasure of this activity, now it comes that our bits are about our trust, our beliefs, our joy in doing this. All for the love of a pirate...in mysterious ways....

Wow, tex, tigers and willo, you guys are really "deep" - I don't understand a lot of stuff you're discussing - I'm just a simple fool I guess...Anyway, it's great knowing that there're people out there who share your feelings and thoughts. We are like an AA-type of support group, aren't we? The best thing is that Sparrabeth transcends all age, race and nationality groups. Jack and Liz are definitely up there with the classic screen couples.

Willo, I really wouldn't like Willabeth in POTC 4 - it's totally over and boring - to go through it all over again would be yawn-inducing. I'd rather have a whole new theme in POTC 4 than Willabeth. As for a Sparrabeth in POTC 4, it's too remote for it to happen but I still have a 0.000000005% hope!

Ah Freedom, you darlin' one--sometimes it's just in the feeling, not the knowing you find your way. I am glad you know it transcends. I'm an older (6 decades, amazing)--I am reveling in the sharing of burdens--that someone trusted us to tell. By our sharing, we are provided some solace for hard things.

A yankee dime for you LoveThemTigers, (my family, a hug and a kiss). I am going to carry you in my heart today--and be very proud of you !

I would like to suggest you go to live journal and read some of the fabulous Lady Pirate/Pirate Mistress stories. This dear girl is posessessed--she writes so well, it would make my mama cry. It's got some strong words, so the youngers might be restricted. Stories are absolutely drop dead, over the top too fine. Oh, and did I mention, rather more Sparrobethy.

thank you everyone so much....and alas, Miss Texgodiva....I have read some fanfiction....thank you for keeping me and my family in your thoughts and prayers...now is a really tough time....but escaping to the Pirate World for over a year has been my stress relief...

I agree, To Freedom...no Willabeth for me...

and tex...you are so right....One great Pirate to help us take a break from reality and venture into a world of love, mystery, fantasy....

Willo...thank you, luv....for your generous offer and concerns.....I've never told anyone before....I just felt like finally saying it yesterday...

My most favorite Sparrabeth story so far has been "So Much To Learn"..that one kept me entertained throughout a lonley depressing night......

tex, I hope you do find someone to share your love and dreams with....sounds beautiful.....

ah, Tex....sorry for the double post but no one has ever said it better...

All for the love of a pirate in mysterious ways.......

that stupid effin compass!

is all I have to say..

what was the point of it may I ask?...like really..its supposed to show you what someone wants...if the writers didn't want the audience to believe J/E was a possibility...then WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYyy make it look like that with the stupid compass etc..what wasted screen time...drives me nutz LOL

my dad watched DMC the other day, and I told him who ends up with Liz....and he gave me the look of uttermost bewilderment which made me choke on my hot chocolate with laughter because I always got the same reaction from people when i knew the ending of the trilogy back when DMC was still in the cinemas

...and he said "so why did this film lean so sharply towards Jack and Elizabeth?"

Like most trilogies, when a relationship leans a certain way in the MIDDLE ONE it only makes sense for it to continue into the THIRD..and so everyone would just give me that look when i told them the truth lol...spesh the peeps from my film studies classes.

seriously (and its another rant time) if it was never meant to be then they REALLY should have made it much clearer to the audience.

and lovethemtigers im sad to hear about what happened 🙁

shock of my life... LovelyOne!!!! HI!!!!!!! WE"VE MISSED YOU!!!!!

"Willo, I really wouldn't like Willabeth in POTC 4 - it's totally over and boring - to go through it all over again would be yawn-inducing. I'd rather have a whole new theme in POTC 4 than Willabeth. As for a Sparrabeth in POTC 4, it's too remote for it to happen but I still have a 0.000000005% hope!"-----To Freedom

In a way, I agree with you, but at the same time, I don't want POTC4 at all because I love the trio so much. Even in COTBP when there really wasn't a love triangle going on, I loved when Will, Liz, and Jack were all together working towards them common goals. I would miss that too much if Will and Liz weren't in POTC4. It would also imply Jack was once again friendless. But to have them there would mean Jack would be more the odd one out. It's weird when your friends are married and have kids and you're still single.

I just don't like the trio...I guess because I liked Jack and Lizzy as a couple so much..

Lovelyone, I have to agree...that stupid flippin compass...why did they focus on it so much....because in the end all it did was confuse us...because it was obvious...to me and many others that every time Liz held the compass it pointed to Jack...so the general public would think so...you have to be a fanatic like us and read everything on line and listen very closely to the commentaries to realize that the compass in fact was pointing to the chest the entire time...go figure....

But as Willo said.....Liz thought it pointed to jack, that much was true....

I love COTBP and DMC...but I detest AWE....and it's odd to think that this time last year we were going crazy wondering how we would make it to December and the release of the DVD........and now....I could really care less...not even sure if I'm going to buy the DVD....

and, that my friends, is the true sadness...a movie and trilogy I wanted to love so much...ended up being such a disappointment..

Willo, I'm glad you can find some solace in Liz/will and how it ended for Jack.....but for me...I will never accept Liz and Will...I just don't get it.....

and as far as Jack....what a truly sad ending for him......

Oh, I'm not saying it's a happy ending for Jack. While I'm about 75% sure he's okay with how things are with Liz, he's lost his ship, is so terrified of death he's off to find the Fountain of Youth, which is just plain stupid if you ask me, and he's all alone. Where are all his friends? Will's cursed for the next 10 years, Liz not only has to deal with all the pirates as pirate king but has to go through pregnancy and child-rearing by herself, and Gibbs is about to go get who knows how many STDs. Oh, and James is dead, which could have been a fun buddy comedy. Jack and James on the road. It would be like those old Bob Hope/Bing Crosby movies and they could sing. But alas, he's all alone with a bottle of rum and a dingey. He doesn't even has his Pearl, which, according to the writers, is the only lasting relationship he is capable of achieving in spite of the fact that the films have proven he loves Will and Liz dearly. So, don't misunderstand me. I liked AWE for the most part. I just have huge problems with it and one of them is how it ends for all of them. There's no closure, there's instead a sense that Jack threw everything he had away or had it taken from him and he's back to square 1 except now he's even wench-less.

I've never felt that Jack and Will were true friends. In all their scenes together, I always thought that Jack found Will to be naive and easily fooled. Jack seemed to make use of Will at every opportunity and didn't really trust Will to do anything right. He called him a "whelp" in CotBP and "eunuch" in DMC and I don't think he was being affectionate. He really meant what he said about Will. I don't even think Jack cared that much about Will. He was looking out for himself as a pirate should be but along came Lizzy who changed all that. He seemed to go through a lot of trouble for her.

For me, even though the Jack/Will/Lizzy triangle was interesting, I feel that POTC 4 can start afresh without that old baggage. Let Jack start new relationships with other people. Jack/Lizzy/New Person could be very very interesting too. New Person could be female. But it should all end with POTC 4 and please, this time, let Jack get back his ship, his treasures and a pirate buddy/lover.

He does need to find a woman. I'm all in favor of that, a really cool one who is pretty similar to him, but different enough to make things interesting. Jack/Liz/New person could be a fun trio.

Before AWE, I would have said Jack and Will weren't friends, that they had a lot of animosity between each other, but Will comes to respect Jack by the end of COTBP and Jack never means for any harm to come to Will, although it seldom works out that way. I saw a respect, almost, and I really don't think he thought Will was an actual eunuch, and he only calls him a whelp once and that's because he's tricking Barbossa. But in AWE, Jack didn't really harbor any bitterness towards Will for making that deal with Sao Feng. He seemed to respect it and talked openly with him about his plan to stab the heart. Yeah, he established that man-to-man kind of honesty with Liz a long time ago, but he establishes it with Will in AWE. I think they also realize they are often stronger together than they are apart. It's an almost love/hate relationship that's a lot of fun, imo, and you will not convince me that Jack made Will stab the heart solely for Liz's benefit. The look of absolute horror and pain on his face when he sees Will dying is at least partly because he's watching a friend die. Yes, I think Liz plays a huge role in why he made the sacrifice, but he did it for Will, too. Do I think they're best friends? No. But I do think Jack loves him in a certain way, maybe like a little brother. You have to watch out for him and it's annoying to do that sometimes, but watching them grow and do their own thing is the reward.

I think Jack enjoys meddling. I think he is his own person, and is happy alone, independent, with no one and nothing holding him down. But from time to time (like anyone) he needs to know he matters in the scheme of things, and therefore shows up at Tortuga, or Port Royal, in order to meddle in some peoples' lives, meddle with some girls' hearts, create a to-do to build his own legend, and then disappear again.

So, often times when I watch him with Will, it's more like Jack is meddling and using. Enjoying playing with him, that sort of thing.

That interpret goes back to the riff we shared some time back, about Jack being the trickster, the coyote. He always asks what's in it for me? and part of that answer, a lot of times is g,r,w,&m, (gold, rum, women and muskats) but then the other times, his treasure isn't silver and gold. His pay off can be a smile, faith from another human being, respect, gratitude, fear perhaps, legend enhancement, or just doing what's not expected. Jack intimacy curve spikes pretty radically to dalliance, with right quick drops one standard deviation on the Bell curve, next to nothing out on the skinny either ends. Piracy causes friendships etc to have a very short shelf life.

kate, I'm agreeing with you. Jack does enjoy playing Will and seeing his reaction. Willo, I just don't see Jack's horror when DJ stabbed Will as one of a friend's reaction. It's more like "oh shit, my plan, my plan, gone! quick! plan B! plan B!"