Sparrabeth

Started by willofthewisp300 pages

I don't mind when you triple post. Your posts are always so passionate and poetic. Considering we are both sparrabethers and yet have different opinions about AWE, we always have a lot to discuss and I hope you aren't thinking of leaving so soon.
It's so cool you saw sparrabeth right off the bat. When I first saw it, I was but a young teenager and was so caught up in the entire story and all the characters, I didn't pick up on any nuances at all. But over time, watching it again, I still didn't see sparrabeth, but noticed the restraint and yet the uniqueness of Jack and Elizabeth's relationship. I saw that special connection that you don't usually see between men and women in movies but exists in the real world all the time. When I heard a sequel was in the works, I wondered if they would expand on this relationship.
And then DMC, wow. So much happened in DMC and I was shocked and pleased that it was a character movie rather than a plot movie. Not that it didn't have a plot, but this was so much more character-driven than COTBP. Like I've said many times, I thought Curiosity was as far as they were going to get in that film. I figured things would be left unsettled and feelings unresolved. But then lo and behold, we got our kiss, and I was so hot under the collar. I couldn't believe what I was seeing in the theater. "Omigod, they're kissing! Omigod, Will saw! Omigod, she's left him there! Omigod, he's dead!"
I was elated these two had had some intimate time together and I could not wait until the next one. As someone who has published a book and considers herself pretty well-read and educated in storytelling, I had no idea what the hell the people that wrote this were going to do. I had never seen anything like it. So I had to get other people's opinions. Was I weird for enjoying a movie kiss so much? Was I indecisive because I was worrying about Will? Was it even a possibility these two stubborn characters would swallow their pride and admit any feelings they were having? So here I was, brand new at this forum, figuring out anything I could.
We analyzed, we hoped, we guessed- and I think everyone was surprised by AWE. I have to compliment T&T on the original decisions they made. They took turns most would not have expected them to. I have to compliment that they expanded the universe they created once again, taking us out of the Caribbean. I would have rather they gone back to the Caribbean, but what are you gonna do? I LOVED how central a character Elizabeth became. People say this was Will's film. This was Elizabeth's in my opinion. She had become a Pirate King and I refuse to believe she gave up the title just because she had a child. I didn't know how to tell everyone this, but I found out last week I'm in my 6th week of pregnancy, and because I'm separated from my husband often (for now), I feel very close to Elizabeth. I plan to be a working mother and I think she's stronger than me and could therefore also be a working mother. And yes, I am thrilled at the fact that I will be a mom soon.
Back to AWE, the relationships all suffered. Even though the film is long, I felt things were missing. Things needed to be expanded on. We got one scene between Beckett and Jack? That didn't explain anything? Didn't delve into any past hurts or betrayals? What a crime. Elizabeth and Will are not speaking and not trusting each other and then all of a sudden after parlay, they're back to how they used to be and get married afterwards? Jack and Elizabeth, what an opportunity missed. They needed their forgiveness moment. There is always time to interrupt the story and take the time for characters. COTBP, probably the most action-packed of the movies, gave us the island scene for no other reason other than to indulge in the beauty of these two characters and their interaction. AWE was good, but the weakest of the three, sloppy at times and even careless at others.

congrats willo!!!!!! 😄 😄 😄 😄
Hope all goes well for you!!

and i totally agree with everything you sed!
I'm still a rather bitter sparrabether (even after these long months...) but hey...the writers made a bold move and i respect them for that 🙂

T Maria, I LOVE YOUR SIG!!!! I soooo agree.... first lust beats everything.

Good git, Miz WilloftheWisp, I didn't realize til you said it--I'd like more than the little toss out line as she leaves the ship for the forgiveness moment.

On the Beckett/Jack moment--you gotta love Jack blowing the little man character out of the cannon!! Thought I would fall out of my movie chair when I saw that bit.

Congratulations many times--you will be a mom!! I believe it to be redundant to say great mom becos mothers are honored above all in my world--the mother is supreme and sublime. Take good care of yourself--goes without saying I know. A child is coming!!(old Jefferson Starship song)

Miz lovesthemtigers--I say please stay til there's an even 100,000 replies. Won't take that long and then well, we'll find something else to talk about. I don't have abandonment issues or anything, I just like to read what you think--and you add to this marvelous soup of thoughts and feelings in a way that is not to be replaced or claimed by someone else. Besides, there's selfish me--you get my jokes. This is your living room too, where you can put your feet up on the coffee table and lean back and relax--or our dorm--I don't know, just feels comfortable here.
I'll loan you my pop up book Black Pearl (characters for on deck are silly animation, but the ship is excellent). Well, anyway, give it another think or three, really mull it over, yeah, pros and pros,er cons yeah, but (you know) think it over v-e-r-y c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y and slowly like so you, you know, figure out how much we enjoy you. (I already said I'm selfish)

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I don't mind when you triple post. Your posts are always so passionate and poetic. Considering we are both sparrabethers and yet have different opinions about AWE, we always have a lot to discuss and I hope you aren't thinking of leaving so soon.
It's so cool you saw sparrabeth right off the bat. When I first saw it, I was but a young teenager and was so caught up in the entire story and all the characters, I didn't pick up on any nuances at all. But over time, watching it again, I still didn't see sparrabeth, but noticed the restraint and yet the uniqueness of Jack and Elizabeth's relationship. I saw that special connection that you don't usually see between men and women in movies but exists in the real world all the time. When I heard a sequel was in the works, I wondered if they would expand on this relationship.
And then DMC, wow. So much happened in DMC and I was shocked and pleased that it was a character movie rather than a plot movie. Not that it didn't have a plot, but this was so much more character-driven than COTBP. Like I've said many times, I thought Curiosity was as far as they were going to get in that film. I figured things would be left unsettled and feelings unresolved. But then lo and behold, we got our kiss, and I was so hot under the collar. I couldn't believe what I was seeing in the theater. "Omigod, they're kissing! Omigod, Will saw! Omigod, she's left him there! Omigod, he's dead!"
I was elated these two had had some intimate time together and I could not wait until the next one. As someone who has published a book and considers herself pretty well-read and educated in storytelling, I had no idea what the hell the people that wrote this were going to do. I had never seen anything like it. So I had to get other people's opinions. Was I weird for enjoying a movie kiss so much? Was I indecisive because I was worrying about Will? Was it even a possibility these two stubborn characters would swallow their pride and admit any feelings they were having? So here I was, brand new at this forum, figuring out anything I could.
We analyzed, we hoped, we guessed- and I think everyone was surprised by AWE. I have to compliment T&T on the original decisions they made. They took turns most would not have expected them to. I have to compliment that they expanded the universe they created once again, taking us out of the Caribbean. I would have rather they gone back to the Caribbean, but what are you gonna do? I LOVED how central a character Elizabeth became. People say this was Will's film. This was Elizabeth's in my opinion. She had become a Pirate King and I refuse to believe she gave up the title just because she had a child. I didn't know how to tell everyone this, but I found out last week I'm in my 6th week of pregnancy, and because I'm separated from my husband often (for now), I feel very close to Elizabeth. I plan to be a working mother and I think she's stronger than me and could therefore also be a working mother. And yes, I am thrilled at the fact that I will be a mom soon.
Back to AWE, the relationships all suffered. Even though the film is long, I felt things were missing. Things needed to be expanded on. We got one scene between Beckett and Jack? That didn't explain anything? Didn't delve into any past hurts or betrayals? What a crime. Elizabeth and Will are not speaking and not trusting each other and then all of a sudden after parlay, they're back to how they used to be and get married afterwards? Jack and Elizabeth, what an opportunity missed. They needed their forgiveness moment. There is always time to interrupt the story and take the time for characters. COTBP, probably the most action-packed of the movies, gave us the island scene for no other reason other than to indulge in the beauty of these two characters and their interaction. AWE was good, but the weakest of the three, sloppy at times and even careless at others.

ABBY!!!!!!! holy cow!!!!! i didn't catch that first read.... OH MY GOODNESS!!!! *hugs hugs hugs!!!!* You are going to make such a wonderful mother... your child will probably be a gorgeous genius!!! CONGRATS a millions times over.... wow.... this is huge.... are you so thrilled??!?! Do you know if it is a boy or girl? Oh my gosh... wow.... this is so exciting!!!

Thanks, everybody! Kate, I won't know if it's a boy or a girl until roughly month 4. Yes, I'm very excited about it. My husband is too. As for it becoming a genius, I hope he/she gets my husband's math skills and not mine...or lackthereof. Thanks for everyone's love and support. I've been here a little over a year and I'm so glad I'm still here.

😱 Congratulations! it's so exciting! I feel like an aunt! haha or annoying cousin. 🙁 🙂

WOW! Congratulations!!!! *hugs hugs* I don't know you as well as most on here since I'm still rather new, i feel like the mother's cousin's best friend's sister's aunt...er...twice removed 😛

You'll make a wonderful mother I'm sure 😄

Congratulations willo

Congratulations, willo! Now, you'll really understand what Lizzy went through when she became preggers. Being a working mum is tough and you'll become like a warrior.

Tigers! Please don't leave! I love all your passionate posts, especially your photos of gorgeous Johnny! I really treasure your company and your friendliness. I'll miss you, love.

I havent known you for long Tigers but DONT GO!!! Congratulations Wilo!!!

Yay.Congratulations Willo.

to an earlier discussion

Jack hates seeing Liz in pain..

In the green script thing..when Liz is about to jump in after her father..they make a point in the screenplay by saying Jack tries to sprint after her first...but will grabs her. So im guessing he hated seeing Liz so hysterical after will stabbed the heart.

things like that aren't added in for no reason, but looking back on most of what happened in DMC..I'd think its safe to say T&T forgot that golden rule when writing the 3rd installment, so maybe it didnt mean anything..I wouldnt put it past them 🙄 this is why I find it so incredible that they just totally pretended that it didn't happen in movie 3...if there is one rule in screenwriting, its that you DONT add unnecessary crap into the script UNLESS it means something in the overall story....so the compass and stuff....just ...no

OMG CONGRATS SOOOOOO MUCH WILLO! I'm so happy for you. Will you tell us when you know if it's a boy or a girl!! I'm so excited! You're so amazing...working, being a mommy AND you've got a book published...I'm so fallowing your sootsteps now

As for the rest of your post...I agree...T&T are TOTALLY my idols. I love, respect and applaud them. I've never seen a T&T movie where the screenplay was bad. Maybe a bit sloppy but the screenplay itself has always been amazing and AWE was great in action but...didn't do much for the relationships.

Lovely...I'M SO GLAD TO SEE YOU!!!
Yes there was a part where Jack runs to her but Will gets to her first. There was also a part after Will is stabbed where Elizabeth looks up at him and says 'please!' and THAT is the biggest reason he let Will stab the heart but...maybe they weren't important enough to stay in.

I'm still not okay with the JE ending (or lack therefor) but if JE had to say goodbye in an angsty/comical/friendly way I think the ending right now would be the one I'd go for. It's at least in tone with their relationship...teasing and pushing each other till the end.

I've found ways to make myself feel better. Fiction is one and another thing is that...JE have their own story going on. There's the whole film...there's action, plot, character and all the relationships going on and JE is a small part of the film but it's a story in and of itself. It's like a little side story to the whole main story...I guess for me it's always been THE story but...

The pirate saves the governer's daughter from drawning and then uses her as hostage to escape from royal navy. After the girl is kidnapped he helps the whelp who happens to be in love with the girl and they save her...in the process the pirate and the governer's daughter bond in a playful teasing way. He escapes from being hanged. A year later pirate helps the girl save her betrothed flirting with her in the process. They push each other's limits and challenge each other. Girl kisses him, satisfies her lust and kills him and proves him right at the same time. Girl travels to the ends of the earth to bring him back...realises she's been lusting after him. She still loves the whelp.
He votes her king and gives up his chance at immortality mainly cause of her blah blah blah!

That's not what the movie's really about but you get a nice angsty romance right there! I'll stick with my version. In my version the couple is JE all along...It just ends bad for them...but it's still about JE!!

I agree with parts, lovelyone. And it wasn't just J/E's relationship that was tossed aside to make room for I don't know what. Willabethers cannot possibly be happy or satisfied with the idea that throughout the whole movie, their couple is fighting and keeping secrets from each other and just when they make up and have their Hollywood kiss, they have to be separated for the next 10 years. I think if we got the same ending with Jack, we would have been upset, too. I would not have found that beautiful. It's a rip-off of The Odyssey and not a very good one.
And then what happened to the supporting players? Did Gibbs even tell a story in this one? They KILLED James after he hit the, what, 20 minute mark into his performance? That storyline was not finished, in my opinion, especially since in DMC it appeared James was over Elizabeth. And her father. That scene was rushed and it seemed like they "fit in" lines where Elizabeth talks about it to remind us that oh yeah, this short little scene did in fact happen. The only supporting character who seemed to grow at all was Barbossa, but it's still unclear to me why he went from hating Will and Elizabeth to marrying them by the end of AWE.
There didn't have to be a sparrabeth ending for me. I enjoyed AWE for what it was. But it didn't live up to anyone's expectations I don't think. True, Jack and Elizabeth have a lot of things going on and maybe there's not realistically time to square away their feelings and give their relationship a definite category. BUT, in COTBP, T&T MADE room for them to have a moment. It did absolutely nothing for the plot to spend roughly 8 minutes uncut and maybe 5 after it was edited with the two of them on an island developing as characters. So what happened with that idea of making room? I think had they gone for a slightly simpler plot, added some actual piracy, and explained a few things, we could have had plenty of time for characters- all of them.

Well-said, tee and willo! Besides the storyline flaws, I just don't see the chemistry between Keira and Orlando. Compare the island scenes in CotBP and AWE. Jack didn't have sex with Liz yet there was more chemistry than Will's awkward scene with her in AWE. The kissing of the leg, then when Liz ran towards him to kiss him one last time, etc, all these are so forced and unnecessary.

✅ Agree.

Didn't kiss leg...that's all I'm saying.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I don't mind when you triple post. Your posts are always so passionate and poetic. Considering we are both sparrabethers and yet have different opinions about AWE, we always have a lot to discuss and I hope you aren't thinking of leaving so soon.
It's so cool you saw sparrabeth right off the bat. When I first saw it, I was but a young teenager and was so caught up in the entire story and all the characters, I didn't pick up on any nuances at all. But over time, watching it again, I still didn't see sparrabeth, but noticed the restraint and yet the uniqueness of Jack and Elizabeth's relationship. I saw that special connection that you don't usually see between men and women in movies but exists in the real world all the time. When I heard a sequel was in the works, I wondered if they would expand on this relationship.
And then DMC, wow. So much happened in DMC and I was shocked and pleased that it was a character movie rather than a plot movie. Not that it didn't have a plot, but this was so much more character-driven than COTBP. Like I've said many times, I thought Curiosity was as far as they were going to get in that film. I figured things would be left unsettled and feelings unresolved. But then lo and behold, we got our kiss, and I was so hot under the collar. I couldn't believe what I was seeing in the theater. "Omigod, they're kissing! Omigod, Will saw! Omigod, she's left him there! Omigod, he's dead!"
I was elated these two had had some intimate time together and I could not wait until the next one. As someone who has published a book and considers herself pretty well-read and educated in storytelling, I had no idea what the hell the people that wrote this were going to do. I had never seen anything like it. So I had to get other people's opinions. Was I weird for enjoying a movie kiss so much? Was I indecisive because I was worrying about Will? Was it even a possibility these two stubborn characters would swallow their pride and admit any feelings they were having? So here I was, brand new at this forum, figuring out anything I could.
We analyzed, we hoped, we guessed- and I think everyone was surprised by AWE. I have to compliment T&T on the original decisions they made. They took turns most would not have expected them to. I have to compliment that they expanded the universe they created once again, taking us out of the Caribbean. I would have rather they gone back to the Caribbean, but what are you gonna do? I LOVED how central a character Elizabeth became. People say this was Will's film. This was Elizabeth's in my opinion. She had become a Pirate King and I refuse to believe she gave up the title just because she had a child. I didn't know how to tell everyone this, but I found out last week I'm in my 6th week of pregnancy, and because I'm separated from my husband often (for now), I feel very close to Elizabeth. I plan to be a working mother and I think she's stronger than me and could therefore also be a working mother. And yes, I am thrilled at the fact that I will be a mom soon.
Back to AWE, the relationships all suffered. Even though the film is long, I felt things were missing. Things needed to be expanded on. We got one scene between Beckett and Jack? That didn't explain anything? Didn't delve into any past hurts or betrayals? What a crime. Elizabeth and Will are not speaking and not trusting each other and then all of a sudden after parlay, they're back to how they used to be and get married afterwards? Jack and Elizabeth, what an opportunity missed. They needed their forgiveness moment. There is always time to interrupt the story and take the time for characters. COTBP, probably the most action-packed of the movies, gave us the island scene for no other reason other than to indulge in the beauty of these two characters and their interaction. AWE was good, but the weakest of the three, sloppy at times and even careless at others.

😱 OMG!!!! CONGRATS!!!!! Awwww Im so excited for u!!! I wish u all the best!!! We Should have a KMC On-Line BabY Shower!!! 🙂

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Thanks, everybody! Kate, I won't know if it's a boy or a girl until roughly month 4. Yes, I'm very excited about it. My husband is too. As for it becoming a genius, I hope he/she gets my husband's math skills and not mine...or lackthereof. Thanks for everyone's love and support. I've been here a little over a year and I'm so glad I'm still here.

lol....U know i just heard on the news about a lady who said while she was pregnant she would put headphones around her belly and play like Mozart and classical music and when her son was like 2 or 3 he began humming the tunes without ever hearing the song after being born. And now he is like incredibly smart and extremely skilled on the piano. The song she would always play for him when he was in her belly was the first song he picked up and learned it quickly!!! I thought that was cool!