Sparrabeth

^^^No,....I agree with Willo on that one.....Jack's look of horror is that he sees Will is stabbed and Liz's pain....if the only reason Jack is upset is because his planned is screwed up..then that would make Jack pretty much a cold hearted ba$#%$d!

Jack is a good man...he has a good heart...too good to be a true black hearted pirate....that's why Jack's plans never go as planned....as Barbossa told him "it's exactly that kind of thinking that did you in the first time Jack"...and notice that's what Captain Sparrow tells his good side in purgatory...."it's exactly that kind of thinking that got us into this mess in the first place"......

I truly think Jack's look of horror is that he realized he hesitated in playing with Davy and didn't stab the heart quick enough and is horrorified in that Will has been stabbed in the heart and Liz is screaming and hysterical....despite everything, Jack cares about those two kids.....

I think Jack plays around with Will and uses him because he thinks Will is easy to manipulate....but I think he cares about Will, truly I do.....because of Bootstrap.....think back to COTBP when Jack describes Will's father to him...Jack kind of had a father worship in a way for Will's father himself......

Jack admires Elizabeth because she is just like him...they are very much alike.....they both use and manipulate people and use certain things as leverage to get what they want, but in the end...when all is said and done...they both have a good heart and a moral center......

In his own way, jack loves Elizabeth......she vexed him through the end of COTBP and throughout DMC.....I don't care what anyone says...even T and T can contridict themselves on that issue...but there is no doubt in my mind that the reason the stupid compass didn't work for Jack in DMC was because he was being vexed by Elizabeth and the feelings she instilled in him.....elsewise, he would have been able to find the key without Will's help and he would have been able to find the chest without Liz's help....Jack wants to live forever, that should be the thing he wanted MOST in the world...yet, the compass wouldn't work....so that tells me that is not what Jack wanted most in this world (at that particular time, excuse me)....oh yeah, the compass is ever changing...
because at one moment you may want a feast, but that feast is nowhere around so....instead the compass leads you to the waffles with syrup...because at that time the waffles is what you want most in this world.....arrrgggggggg

I truly hate that compass, truly I do....

Well spoken, I agree with everything you've said.🙂

Thanks for backing me up, lovethemtigers. In spite of Jack's manipulative nature and his self-preservation, he is capable of love and if he loves any two people in the world, it's Will and Liz. He's not just worrying about his plan. If that were all he cared about, he would have just done it, been relentless. And you're right, the series truly stresses that the only thing getting in Jack's way of being a great pirate is his heart. He doesn't kill people, has never raped anyone (I'm sure), and does the right thing in his own way. He's not as open about it as Will and James are, but he tries to have his cake and eat it too: to have all his plans turn out right without hurting anyone and making him seem this heartless tactician rather than just a man.

well, I think part of Jack's look when Will is stabbed IS "oh shit, my plan..." because he KNOWS he will do the right thing now... Jack is Jack, after all, his fatal flaw in the series is constantly tauted as being "too soft, too much of a good man to be a good pirate", so when confronted with a situation like this, though he hates himself for it, Jack always does the right thing. Literally, always. Show me a time when he didn't.

But also... Jack's been to DJ's locker... and I always imagine at that moment (all 2 times I've watched it...) that he is remembering the torment HE went through in DJ's locker and knowing he could never watch or allow another human to experience that torture. So he is imagining Will (a fairly sweet, innocent kid, after all, with only one major betrayal under his belt, and a sweet innocent face that may as well be Jake Lloyd's) going to this horrible place. Or, more to the point, most of Jack's plans since Jack met Will depend somewhat on Will. So with the armada behind them, waiting to attack, i don't think Jack planned on being an immortal new captain to the flying dutchman with a dead Will and a hysterical Elizabeth... in short, I dont think his plan entailed him being captain alone in the midst of tragic circumstances.

But that's all rambling, anyways. Ultimately, Jack has a soft heart. Not exactly a loving heart, but a soft one. Indiana Jones, trying to save Elsa from falling into the big pit, or ready to get shot in a bar after Marion supposedly dies, whatever... I would argue that Jack doesn't have a romantic heart. I know I'll probably make enemies with that one, but after film 3, any hopes that he was a romantic were pretty much dashed.

I know what you're saying, Kate, and I am in firm agreement. Jack is not a romantic guy. However, he is a romantic in a certain way. The things he wants, freedom on the high seas, being his own boss, enjoying all the things life has to offer are very romantic notions. But talking about romantic as in courting young women and "wooing" (snicker) Jack is way off. But that doesn't mean he's incapable of love. In fact, I prefer men who aren't by definition romantic, because when they do do romantic things, it's more sincere and makes you feel special.

Oh sure, I would rather have Jack than Romeo any day. I can't stand men who whine, no matter how poetic they are. Jack is, however, fairly eloquent and has his own charm. Jack's manipulation tools are almost reminiscent of Beckett's, which hint at Jack having some schooling or experience with the modern politicians of the day. And when it comes down to it, Jack is fairly obvious when he wants something. I think women, and people in general, like that more than they let on.

this site is a terrible procrastination tool.

Again, beware shameless self-pimping below.

I updated my fic if anyone is interested 😛 http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3618162/12/A_Pirates_Heart

thanks Savvy.I love your story.Update soon.

Very interesting story. There is an eloquence to it. It's almost like I'm reading a very old fairy tale. Update soon.

Since we've b*tched about the compass nonstop, I have another useless prop I'd like to get someone's opinion on. What the hell is up with the jar of dirt? Did that have a purpose in the long run? Was it necessary for Jack to cuddle it and half of the time treat it like his baby and other times treat it like his lover? I think it might have been the One if you know what I mean, lol.

honestly, i think it was an excuse for johnny depp to be funny with endless lines about the jar of dirt. that's it.

same here, Kate.

They knew johnny was the money maker.

At the end of the day, friends of mine that weren't keen on johnny depp at first thought his was brilliant by the end of POTC, because they thought he was a brilliant comedy actor... The writers definately played to johnny's stengths
(not that thats a bad thing 😄)

On another note:
Has anyone seen keira's TV advert for 'cocoa madmouiselle' ??
....Wasn't vanessa paradis the face of chanel???
Well anyway, the girls looks AMAZING! 🙂

Lol, yeah I think it was mostly a comedy piece the writers popped in. The jar of dirt was really what he considered to be his salvation, I guess. Thanks willo, glad you liked it 🙂

Originally posted by T.Maria
same here, Kate.

They knew johnny was the money maker.

At the end of the day, friends of mine that weren't keen on johnny depp at first thought his was brilliant by the end of POTC, because they thought he was a brilliant comedy actor... The writers definately played to johnny's stengths
(not that thats a bad thing 😄)

On another note:
Has anyone seen keira's TV advert for 'cocoa madmouiselle' ??
....Wasn't vanessa paradis the face of chanel???
Well anyway, the girls looks AMAZING! 🙂

i just saw the add in a magazine that came today. it was a beautiful add--- very classy, Keira looks smokin! I want my hair to look like hers!!!! man alive, she is so pretty. Now I feel the urge to watch P and P or something. And I've been aching to see Johnny in Chocolat again. Maybe I'll go rent it. You guys, for a real-life Jack Sparrow with a conscience, how about Anderson Cooper? 🙂 I love him!!!

Jack killed Barbossa, would've done it twice if he could have--played Barbossa false with the Navy guys and holding onto the coin so that he was invicible too. Offered Barbossa what he never intended to give, and "a really big hat". Jack's not a Sunday pirate, try real deal.

That he loved Will and Elisabeth, no doubt--ties to the boy's father and that he could use Will to get back the Pearl. Elisabeth, hey, what's not to love....Jack's the trickster--he really does want his cake and eat it too. He wants the lion's share of whatever it is.

Taking a woman by force simply doesn't serve him well, why fight when you can negotiate? He's a handsome man and women would be attracted to him, so it's easy for me to believe he'd like the challenge (slight)of wooing said strumpet.

My fantasy on this is Jack's had more than a couple of high born ladies, and how he got under their skirts...well, key word here, fantasy. I personally know any number of well placed ladies right here, right now who'd cheerfully leave friends and family for an afternoon of 'shopping' if Captain Jack happened to turn up on their doorsteps. 😱

And whoever said, this site is a time sucking tool--yep, I totally agree and isn't it grand?!?!?!? 😄 Just when I think we've played it all out, one or another's agile brain heats the kettle again and out steams...whoknows what?! Thank you sweet mary michael for recurring themes, deep love, true love, self love, and object adoration/fixation.

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
^^^No,....I agree with Willo on that one.....Jack's look of horror is that he sees Will is stabbed and Liz's pain....if the only reason Jack is upset is because his planned is screwed up..then that would make Jack pretty much a cold hearted ba$#%$d!

Jack is a good man...he has a good heart...too good to be a true black hearted pirate....that's why Jack's plans never go as planned....as Barbossa told him "it's exactly that kind of thinking that did you in the first time Jack"...and notice that's what Captain Sparrow tells his good side in purgatory...."it's exactly that kind of thinking that got us into this mess in the first place"......

I truly think Jack's look of horror is that he realized he hesitated in playing with Davy and didn't stab the heart quick enough and is horrorified in that Will has been stabbed in the heart and Liz is screaming and hysterical....despite everything, Jack cares about those two kids.....

I think Jack plays around with Will and uses him because he thinks Will is easy to manipulate....but I think he cares about Will, truly I do.....because of Bootstrap.....think back to COTBP when Jack describes Will's father to him...Jack kind of had a father worship in a way for Will's father himself......

I think Jack was moved by Liz's shock over Will's stabbing. He saw how much she truly cared for Will. I'm not saying that Jack didn't feel anything at all when Will was stabbed. His first instinctive reaction was "oh shit, my plan, my plan, quick, plan B, plan B!". But because he really cared so much for Liz (not Will), he had to sacrifice his own plan for her sake (once again). The only reason why he could care about Will was because he probably felt indebted to Bootstrap's loyalty to him during the mutiny by Barbossa. For all that is piratey about Jack, he does indeed have a conscience.

Originally posted by texgodiva2s
Jack killed Barbossa, would've done it twice if he could have--played Barbossa false with the Navy guys and holding onto the coin so that he was invicible too. Offered Barbossa what he never intended to give, and "a really big hat". Jack's not a Sunday pirate, try real deal.

Sure....but that was revenge...Barbossa left Jack for dead....believed Jack dead for 10 years.....and the deal he made with Barbossa was to save himself, Liz, Will and the royal navy...was it not?

I'm not saying Jack is gooder than good..because no one's perfect.....but he's not a raping, plundering, take what you can give nothing back...kind of pirate, even though that is he and Gibbs' motto...they don't really live by it in the end....

But whether Jack was disappointed because his plan is foiled or because Will is dying before his very eyes, Jack, once again....did the right thing and put his needs aside....

But I will admit To Freedom and Kate....part of his reaction may be "oh crap, my plan is screwed now"..but i think it's just a fleeting thought....
that might be the only part of the commentaries I would be interested in listening too...the death scene...the parachute scene.....the goodbye scene....Jack in Tortuga......

But alas, my friends, parting is such sweet sorrow.......

I know I've said this before and still I return...but I don't see me having quite as much time here as before....and now here it is....4 months after the release of AWE....and now the Sparrabeth is all but dead and buried except for in our hearts and fanfiction and youtube.....there seems to be not much more to discuss......

This morning I have a heavy heart, saying goodbye to something that has been such a big part of my life for one year and two months........my refuge, my stress relief...and yet, my burden too........

oh, yes, Tex, I will admit to that...if Jack Sparrow were to knock upon my door, I would throw caution to the wind and let him come "shopping" as you put it any day......

My heart is sad......Oh how I wish we could turn back time! Oh how I wish I could wake up and AWE was all one big nightmare.

I'll say this one more time as I part:

I loved COTBP...it's where I fell in love with Jack Sparrow and was wakened to the talents and beauty of Mr. Johnny Depp.....
from the moment Jack rescued Elizabeth from the bay I fell hook line and sinker for Sparrabeth (although I didn't realize it until last July). The entire time I kept watching POTC/COTBP for the first time I kept waiting for the moment when Elizabeth and Jack would hook up, I was convince she and will were childhood friends hanging on to a childhood romance......the beautiful island scene....I held my breath the entire time....and even in the end I kept thinking "something's got to give"...but alas, it was not to be. I enjoyed all of COTBP..up until the moment when Elizabeth says "No, he's a Pirate"...that part just didn't stick well and left a sour taste in my mouth...thank goodness it ended with Jack sailing away on his beloved Pearl singing "Drink up me hearties yo-ho" and saying "now, show me that horizon"...

I simply fell head over heels with DMC and Sparrabeth in the second installment of POTC. I couldn't get enough of Sparrabeth...I fantasized daily about how great AWE was going to be and How Liz and Jack were finally going to admit their feelings for one another....I watched the Sparrabeth scenes on youtube over and over ....till I could quote every scene by heart.....couldn't wait for December and the release of the DVD and even pre-ordered it from the Disney Store (first and only time I'll ever do that).....watched youtube videos, made cd's of my favorite songs from youtube vids and named them J/E 1, 2, 3 and so forth.....(now that's crazy).....buddied up with TMaria and even collaborated with her to make our own vids....I can only give song ideas and clip ideas, she's the master at making the videos, read every spoiler known to man, taped "Dancing With the Stars" just to see the world premeire of the Pirates AWE Trailer........drove 10 miles to the mall just to get my copy of the Jr. Novelization (which was very exciting cuz it had hints of Sparrabeth), was on this forum daily, sometimes for hours discussing DMC and all that would come about in AWE...even over at KTTC.....and then.....May came, the most anticipated month ever.....and our hearts were broken....

Not only did we not get any Sparrabeth, the entire movie overall was just one huge total disappointment. I think what makes me so angry and bitter over the turnout of AWE was because never before have I ever anticipated a movie so much in all of my life...never have I wanted something so bad..I wanted to love AWE...I was convinced this would go down as the greatest trilogy ever.......

So sad, truly, sad.......
I only saw AWE once and truly have no desire to see it again.....
I hated how it ended for everyone.......
How it ended for all the characters and how it ended for us who so anticipated it's outcome......

sorry for the double post....but really melancholy and nostalgic today and wanted to get this off my mind and heart.....

Sorry, now I have a triple post, but was visiting the other forum I frequent and one of the gals there made this vid....its a Sparrabeth vid and it's truly sad and Beautiful: "Your'e Beautiful" Sparrabeth......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzqhcKfwmHk