Originally posted by katelovespirate
the text at the bottom is just a website.i love this manip, though. i think it's my favorite one that I've seen. I feel like it should be the promo for someone's fanfic. or of course, the new perfume, "freedom", or "kiss of death", or something...
LMAO!! I'd by that perfume!! lol
Originally posted by savvysparrowluv
Yep, a manip is a photo manipulation - exactly what you described. Manips of Jack and Elizabeth are the best - I've got a bunch saved on my comp - want me to do a Lovethemtigers ( 😉 ) and post them?
Oh yessss please do bust a Lovethemtigers and post all ur Sparrabeth Manips!!! PLEASE!!
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3555734/1/In_the_Cards
Just if anyone wants a sparrabeth story with a happy ending, I do have this fic for you. I have two more, but they're from different movies: Phantom of the Opera and Labyrinth. Anyways, in this story, Will has long since died and our heroes are free to explore their feelings... This should cheer half of us up.
Only that they love...oh, and it helps if I can easily insinuate myself into the heroine's tight fitting bodice and breeches with a minimum of mental tugging. One size fits most pirate wear is a necessity for truly enjoying fiction.
So, let me ask cos I just thought of all the neato fiction I've read/am reading (More please ImpPiDiva 😮💨 ), do y'all enjoy more the right now time interactions or do you feel anything for the fictions that story our beloveds near the end of their long years, looking back to their great adventures?
Part of me has really enjoyed the stories where the characters look back and understand themselves and their partners, sharing tenderness, with small regrets over choices made--part of me flat out thrills to the breathless, heart pounding swash and buckle of now.
Will he or she say the right thing, make the right offer, choose the right partner, respond freely or be so duty/faith/upbringing indoctrinated to a choice that causes them to forfeit desire and fire? Will he or she turn around and look back when they are leaving, will the one being left believe they will return? Boy, I am the biggest sap-a-saurus romanticus on the planet. Oh, and the question is: Here and now or look back with love? 😕
Hmmmm....good questions Tex.
Personally, I love the here and now fics and the fics where they meet as children - I've read one or two where they are older and the fic was beautiful, just not my favorite. I love the descriptions of sinewy muscle and the flash of swords and the brightness of shining eyes, lol.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3555734/1/In_the_CardsJust if anyone wants a sparrabeth story with a happy ending, I do have this fic for you. I have two more, but they're from different movies: Phantom of the Opera and Labyrinth. Anyways, in this story, Will has long since died and our heroes are free to explore their feelings... This should cheer half of us up.
i believe i've read this one of yours before... it's particularly well written. the whole card game could have been pulled out of any one of the films. perfect-- witty, maddening, intriguing, fun.
It is interesting that Will dying is the only possibility Sparrabeth fans can come up with for Liz and Jack to ever really get a chance together. I often hear Willabeth fans comment that Sparrabethers have no morals and are very untraditional when it comes to romance, but i am inclined to think just the opposite. Sparrabethers seem the most traditionally romantic in the bunch-- and will only let the story work with Lizzie being truly freed of Will. It might be interesting for someone to explore what Sparrabeth would look like if Lizzie did flat out cheat on Will after he sails away. I don't think I would stomach that. I don't know though. I really dislike Will in AWE.
I remember reading a fic last fall at some point, where Elizabeth and Jack become lovers after they rescue Jack from the locker, on their way back to the caribbean. In that story, Will is still alive and technically still engaged to Elizabeth, and then even becomes aware of what is going on between Elizabeth and Jack. In some amazing way, the writer pulled that all off and made it seem very logical and plausible.
Yeah, Kate, I hate the flack a lot of sparrabethers get, that we all somehow advocate adultery and debauchery and now parachute sex to add to the list of injuries. Sigh. It never ends.
I am one of the few that thinks Will woudl have to be out of the picture because Elizabeth makes it pretty clear that Will always trumps whatever Jack lays out in front of her. Promises of adventure and freedom and his monogamy...which would be the biggest promise of all, all seem to fall short as soon as Elizabeth thinks of Will. Some of this is love, but I think some of it is also what's the safe and honorable thing. Liz tries to do the right thing most of the time. I'm a romantic of sorts, but I get really tired of the stories where the girl is supposed to marry someone she doesn't really love and then a guy from her past comes back and she falls for him all over again but alas, she's getting married. Finally she ditches the guy on their wedding day and jumps into the arms of the other guy. I always feel bad for the guy that was jilted. It's not his fault. So it's just a pet peeve I have with fics where Will and Elizabeth have been kind of stagnant and then all of a sudden Will brings up marriage and Liz says "I can't marry you. I have to follow my heart."
That's just a cringe fest to me.
yeah, its a puzzlement. as long as Will's alive, Elizabeth has made a promise to him. Then again, she made a similar promise to Norrington in film 1... which she broke without bothering to ask whether he was okay with it or not. Now, I know the argument there is "she wasn't in love with Norrington, so it would have been wrong to marry him", but that argument doesn't hold up for me.
I just don't know how on earth they COULD have ended it sparrabeth without killing Will, which they also couldn't have done without seeming extremely Pearl Harbor. It would have been too easy and obvious, and made too many Disney people mad.
I always thought it would have been extremely interesting to have Will NOT forgive her, basically dump her, and sail off to become a very successful and dangerous pirate. In the meantime, Elizabeth would rescue Jack and have her share of flirting and fun with him, then return to track Will down, and the three of them would end all as single but successful pirates in a sort of friendly competition with each other.
That actually sounds cool, Kate. I do like the trio and they are stronger together than apart and that would really emphasize that. I'm sure just as many fans see Will's decision to help rescue Jack as selfish and weak because he's not doing it for Jack. He's doing it 1.) to get the Pearl because it is the only ship that can survive a battle against the Dutchman and 2.) Because he loves Liz so much he's willing to help her track down the man she loves, or thinks she loves.
Your ending would actually have him and Liz and even Jack live up to their full potential rather than have them all basically losers as AWE makes them.
Ya I honestly to have to say that Their Teamwork is a serious turn on!! Like at the end of COTBP...I Loved Loved Loved how Will and Jack fought together after Will saved him! I remember reffering to them as the Dynamic Duo! And in AWE When the Jack sailed the Pearl and Will sailed the Dutchman and they blasted Becketts ship, once again helping each other was seriously HOT!
Though I can't stand the Whelp...when he teams up with Jack...It's HOTT!!
Before AWE...I always imagined that their was only a few ways that it could have ended sparrabeth...but none of them included Will dying. I always imagined that Will would be like John Smith with Pocohontas and realize that he and Elizabeth had grown in different directions and see that she and jack belonged together and gracefully step aside.....
or that Will turned Evil and turning against Jack and Liz (the least likely of the two)......
before AWE I would try to imagine scenarios where I could be happy or accept a Willabeth ending..but each time it would turn into Sparrabeth......
I find myself wishing of late that it had just ended with either COTBP and there would have never been any sequels...or that it ended with DMC...I have handled DMC as the final chapter....
Jack goes out brave and heroic....Liz seems to be in tears and heartbroken over her decision to leave Jack behind and Will seems compassionate and willing to go find Jack for Liz if that is what she truly wants and needs to be happy.......and then each ship could imagine whatever ending they wanted to.......Norrington is still alive and full of potential......
Yes, I wish there had never been AWE...DMC should have been the end.
hahaha... i just wish AWE had been a bit more complete. I understand time constraints, differences of opinions, massive expectations to live up to, etc... but i don't think it would have been too difficult to fill in some of the major plot holes and give many of the characters (Norrington, Swann, Jack, Will and Liz) more satisfying endings.
Because they decided to go with the more traditional pairing of Will and Liz, I would have preferred them to go for a more traditional ending... Will and Elizabeth happily kissing on the deck of a ship, both fathers looking on fondly, Jack toasted them from the Pearl, with Norrington alongside as his new first mate (a la Rick and Louis)... the pirates freely able to pursue some new treasure in the caribbean, the curse broken, a few tears shed over smaller side characters killed, etc.
Or even, perhaps, a more realistic but still satisfying ending of Will and Liz walking steadily towards each other, aware of each other's faults but willing to give it another go, a tinge of sadness for whoever has recently died, (maybe Will's father or something) but a new lease on life as they have broken the curse, attained the sea-goddess's blessing, etc. Meanwhile, Jack drinks to his fallen comrades, when a message arrives, letting him know a long lost lover has been imprisoned somewhere in the Mediterranean and is begging him to come rescue her--- promising treasure and adventure.
In either scenario, the film ends with the music picking up (as it did at the end of Cotbp) everyone off to a new adventure, characters brought full circle, the story neatly tied up, with only a few danglers that are left more to tease the mind than to cause anyone unhappiness.
I know some people would argue that the ending of AWE was beautiful, melancholy, postmodern, tragic, epic, etc... and that it should be valued accordingly. Well, I wouldn't have a problem doing that if the first two movies had been Gladiator and Lord of the Rings, respectively. Unfortunately, the series started out (and gained all it's fandom and success) being a fairly shallow though certainly fulfilling swashbuckling good time, of gorgeous, dashing, exciting pirate men and pretty, spunky women, a story that was interesting but understandable, an ending that was predictable but still really wonderful. What would have been wrong with letting us laugh, smile, and cheer during AWE? Would the movie have been less successful or well-reviewed for being more fun, easier to understand, more complete? I mean, this isn't a historical drama, this isn't anything profoundly statement-oriented... it's a pirate film based off a theme park ride. For God's sake, let people enjoy it! If AWE, as it was released, were a theme park ride, I certainly wouldn't ride it for fun.
Originally posted by katelovespirate
Unfortunately, the series started out (and gained all it's fandom and success) being a fairly shallow though certainly fulfilling swashbuckling good time, of gorgeous, dashing, exciting pirate men and pretty, spunky women, a story that was interesting but understandable, an ending that was predictable but still really wonderful. What would have been wrong with letting us laugh, smile, and cheer during AWE? Would the movie have been less successful or well-reviewed for being more fun, easier to understand, more complete? I mean, this isn't a historical drama, this isn't anything profoundly statement-oriented... it's a pirate film based off a theme park ride. For God's sake, let people enjoy it! If AWE, as it was released, were a theme park ride, I certainly wouldn't ride it for fun.
I guess it's becos' TnT wrote DMC and AWE together as a 2-parter, that's why the treatment is so different from CoTBP. It's no longer a swashbuckling, old-fashioned pirate movie. They went too big for their own good and ended up upsetting many people who just want to be entertained.
"It is interesting that Will dying is the only possibility Sparrabeth fans can come up with for Liz and Jack to ever really get a chance together. I often hear Willabeth fans comment that Sparrabethers have no morals and are very untraditional when it comes to romance, but i am inclined to think just the opposite. Sparrabethers seem the most traditionally romantic in the bunch-- and will only let the story work with Lizzie being truly freed of Will. It might be interesting for someone to explore what Sparrabeth would look like if Lizzie did flat out cheat on Will after he sails away. I don't think I would stomach that. I don't know though. I really dislike Will in AWE." - katelovespirates.....
you know that is very true. All of us who are sparrabethers (well, the majority) seem to be conservative women who believe in romance and commitment. I know in all my fantasies that it never works out where Jack and Elizabeth just flat out throw aside their morals and go at it so to speak. Although I wish they could...see that's just it. In Elizabeth we saw the potential for all of our wildest dreams and fantasies to come true....I had a dream last night about aWE....some things were the same, but some were different. There was a moment right after the rescue jack from davy's locker...it's back on board the pearl.....Jack and liz have a talk about what happen during DMC and then again after she is voted Pirate King, the eve before the battle....they have a passionate kiss where jack pushes her up against the wall......and then in the end Davy is about to kill jack, but Will stabs the heart as Lizzy is screaming "No" cause she thinks Jack is about to die......so Will is still immortal and becomes captain of the flying dutchman but by his own choice......because he has realized that Jack and Lizzy belong together and his destiny is to be capt of the fd and sail the seas forever with his father.......but this part woke me up and I found myself wondering....
Will was at death's door when Jack helped him stab the heart...in fact, he dies......then jack notices bootstrap and the crew coming toward Will and he realizes what is going to happen so he gets Lizzy out of there on the parachute ride.....well, if Jack had stabbed the heart....would he have died the second he stabbed the heart...I mean what if the person who stabs the heart is perfectly well and healthy, do they die the instant they stab the heart.....or is Jack alive when they carve his heart out.....and who would have guarded Jack's heart?
Another great question about the curse. My guess is that if Jack had stabbed the heart, the crew would have come towards him and put his heart in the chest, but it wouldn't hurt him since he would be immortal/undead in his own way. But we won't know, will we? It even makes me wonder whether it's moral to wonder what would happen to someone perfectly healthy if they stabbed the heart. It seems like a cruel joke, doesn't it? You have to die to become immortal. I'm sure Will would tell you he'd have rather died that day and watched Liz from heaven than have to see all the gruesome sights of deaths at sea and being separated from his wife and eventually his son.
Wait, wait, wait.... DMC makes it sound like Davy Jones carved out HIS OWN heart at some point AFTER becoming captain of the FD--- literally, T Dalma practically spells out that Davy Jones carved out his heart when he came back after TEN YEARS and SHE wasn't there... The heart had nothing to do with becoming captain, it had everything to do with Davy Jones being bitter in love.
MAJOR PLOT HOLE #4,325. 😉
So for Will, I don't think carving out the heart was necessary by any stretch of the imagination, except to give him a cool scar and have Liz keep the heart in that creepy box for him... thereby forcing her continued commitment.
I don't think the heart was originally part of the deal--- so if Jack had stabbed the heart, I think they would have gone with their original plans on the whole curse thingy... Jack would have been made immortal captain, egh, thhings may have been simpler. HOWEVER, On the subject of Jack stabbing the heart, I think the film insinuates strongly (or perhaps I read too much into these things) that had Jack stabbed the heart, he would have become another Davy Jones... bitter, fish-like, however you want to call it. Such as the scene where they show Jack as a fish face (which I know we all thought meant Jack ended up as a crew-mate on the dutchman)... I think that Jack felt strongly enough about Elizabeth that becoming captain may have caused serious problems for him later on.
Lovethemtigers, I would have given any sum of money to see Jack push Lizzie up against a wall in AWE and kiss the crap out of her. Even if they didn't end together, I would have gone to see AWE every day it was out just for that. I think that would have fitted brilliantly in right after the Pirate Brethren scene... (though I'm a bit hazy on the sequencing of AWE)... Jack could come over to cheer her for being the first ever woman pirate king, and the first pirate king in however many years, and they could get to talking and drinking, and at some point Lizzie could blurt out her hidden emotions that led her to nearly kill him off for good in the last film, which Jack could find so seductive he just has to push his luck with her again. After a few minutes of passionate kisses (during which they quite forgive each other everything that has happened), they pull themselves together, have a laugh, discuss the (stupid) reasons why it would never work between them, and Elizabeth could assert her continued devotion to Will, despite the strong feelings and passions that seem to rule her when she is out on the sea with pirates. Jack could give a speech about how he understands, respects the whelp, and thinks it all for the best; how would it work for two such legendary pirates to tempt their fate eternally? Then they could grin at each other, both knowing that their reasoning doesn't quite add up, but also knowing they both have different paths in life to pursue. Elizabeth and Jack could then be on friendly and flirtatious terms, very clear that they aren't planning on getting together, also clear on mutual attraction and respect, and go back to witty banter. It would be perfect, darn it, and fit right in with the rest of the film, and make all the endings seem better somehow.
Willo, why don't you write that scene for us??? You are so good at writing Jack and Liz. Then we could all imagine it out and insert it into the film when we watch it, making the whole experience better.