Even if DC has a Multi-verse, it's still ONE Multi-verse, while Marvel has an Infinite amount of Multi-verses.
And EVERY Multi-verse is INFINITE.
And EVERY Universe within EVERY Multi-verse is INFINITE too.
That's what an Omni-verse is, An Infinite amount of Infinite Multi-verses.
Omni-verse is NOT another word for Infinite, as I saw a certain someone attempting to claim.
THOTU>GEB
Originally posted by Mr Master
Even if DC has a Multi-verse, it's still ONE Multi-verse, while Marvel has an Infinite amount of Multi-verses.And EVERY Multi-verse is INFINITE.
And EVERY Universe within EVERY Multi-verse is INFINITE too.
That's what an Omni-verse is, An Infinite amount of Infinite Multi-verses.
Omni-verse is NOT another word for Infinite, as I saw a certain someone attempting to claim.
THOTU>GEB
Of course you would say this. We have come to expect your opinions to stay the course. But we all know how well staying the course does in the long run.
Originally posted by Supreme being
We have never seen a full power Galactus and yet its believed his=to eternity, Isnt that speculation in itself and yet that same premise is generally accepted on here. So i don't think its to far fetched to do the same for the GEB considering what he is was stated on panel.
Actually Galactus was absorbing the entire Universe in the Black Celestial arc.
"If Galactus isn't stopped now, the ENTIRE UNIVERSE will PERISH"
"the Fantastic Four are trying to stop Galactus from DESTROYING the UNIVERSE"
"Galactus who's busy wolfin' (eating) down ALL of TIME and SPACE"
"Still the Giant doth continue to GROW"
"Eventually, Thor, He would SPAN the ENTIRE UNIVERSE"
Read said,
"The time will come soon when ALL the Energy in the UNIVERSE through out it's HISTORY will NOT be SUFFICIENT to feed him"
So, not only was that Universe going down his hatch for lunch, but apparently it was only a snack, for the REST of the MULTI-VERSE was going to follow.
Luckily though,
in order to stop himself from absorbing the rest of the UNIVERSE and EVERYTHING BEYOND
Galactus ERASES that UNIVERSE from existence
"And without a sound, the UNIVERSE behind them softly and suddenly VANISHES AWAY"
So GEB is a speculation, but Ol' Big G is not.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Even if DC has a Multi-verse, it's still ONE Multi-verse, while Marvel has an Infinite amount of Multi-verses.And EVERY Multi-verse is INFINITE.
And EVERY Universe within EVERY Multi-verse is INFINITE too.
That's what an Omni-verse is, An Infinite amount of Infinite Multi-verses.
Omni-verse is NOT another word for Infinite, as I saw a certain someone attempting to claim.
THOTU>GEB
i can agree with at least one point -- marvel has acknowledged the existence of an omniverse, dc has not. however, that doesn't support your claim that hotu>geb. at most we've seen hotu tackle a single multiverse. (curious, btw -- why are you so adamant that it WAS the multiverse the hotu wiped out? didn't thanos himself claim it was the universe on a number of occasions? i swore universe was repeatedly stated by adam and thanos, not multiverse . . .) anyway, even assuming it WAS multiverse, it was nothing more than that. it did not wipe out the omniverse.
therefore, at best you can make your claim for hotu=geb, and that of course is assuming hotu IS a portion of "god's" power. why a portion? because apparently thanos lacked power to wipe out the omniverse. and no, it wasn't because he didn't try. he clearly meant to absorb EVERYTHING he was capable of -- hence his shock at seeing adam and death still around . . .) by that reasoning, god is infinitely>than the hotu. by extension, if geb=god, geb>hotu + whatever you throw in.
i think you (and a few others) are under the assumption that dc's god is weaker because marvel has an omniverse. however, god is the highest order of infinity conceiveable in EITHER universe.
the only question no one seems to be able to answer is whether geb really does equal "god".
Originally posted by leonidas
i can agree with at least one point -- marvel has acknowledged the existence of an omniverse, dc has not.
kool.
Originally posted by leonidas
however, that doesn't support your claim that hotu>geb.
My support is that I seen what the hotu can do, but I have not seen what this geb can do, and plus I heard that he has no panel feats, so all we have to go by is the so called "god's polar opposite" theory.
I have issues with the Goblin Force, supposedly the opposite of the Phoenix Force, it's even a bigger joke than the burning bird.
And don't get me started on the Fallen One.
Originally posted by leonidas
at most we've seen hotu tackle a single multiverse. (curious, btw -- why are you so adamant that it WAS the multiverse the hotu wiped out? didn't thanos himself claim it was the universe on a number of occasions? i swore universe was repeatedly stated by adam and thanos, not multiverse . . .)
I have explained this before:
I'll give you a summary, I'm sure that's all you'll need:
Thanos absorbs LT, Eternity and Infinity (the 616 Universe)
He absorbs Eternity and Infinity and there is still Space and star stuff behind
This is not a designed attack, he's saying it himself "it's Out of Control"
"For IF this BAND (LT, Eternity/Infinity) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?"
"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
See...He's absorbing MORE SPACE now, where is this SPACE coming from if he already absorbed ALL of Space and Time?
It has to be coming from the Multi-verse, there is no other way to look at it.
*(That's WHO these OTHERS are that MIGHT be equally foolish, the rest of Space, in other words, the MULTI-VERSE)
WHO else COULD question his authority, that MIGHT threaten his Reign, except anyone left in the MULTI-VERSE.
CAN'T be the Universe, he just ABSORBED the Universe (Eternity/Infinity remember)
Now,
Thanos could NOT absorb more, because according to Starlin's depiction, the Multi-verses in the Cosmic Vortex are separated from each other, though they all belong to the Omni-verse.
The reason I know he ONLY absorbed that Multi-verse, is because he does mention "This Actuality's Anchor" when referring to Atleza, this logically implies there are other Actuality's (Multi-verses), and only the rest of the Omni-verse is left (Other Multi-verses)
(Warlock, Gamora, Atleza) Death, Oblivion and ALL the Cosmic Anchors survived, because their Realms are ALL beyond Space and Time
"You & Gamora were OUTSIDE this Reality, tending Atleza, this Actuality's Cosmic Anchor"
I explain it more indepth in my personal thread, if your interested.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t425758.html
Originally posted by leonidas
anyway, even assuming it WAS multiverse, it was nothing more than that. it did not wipe out the omniverse.
True.
Originally posted by leonidas
therefore, at best you can make your claim for hotu=geb, and that of course is assuming hotu IS a portion of "god's" power. why a portion? because apparently thanos lacked power to wipe out the omniverse. and no, it wasn't because he didn't try. he clearly meant to absorb EVERYTHING he was capable of -- hence his shock at seeing adam and death still around . . .)
I rather see it as, Thanos was NOT allowed to absorb more, instead of he couldn't.
After all, he took down like nothing he who is second to TOAA in Marvel.
Originally posted by leonidas
by that reasoning, god is infinitely>than the hotu. by extension, if geb=god, geb>hotu + whatever you throw in.
I have to disagree,
thotu is the power of "HE" as Warlock addressed him, he absorbed the Living Tribunal, and that really speaks for itself.
Only Two characters in the history of Marvel can say they were above LT, and they don't even exist anymore. (the Pre-retcon duo)
Originally posted by leonidas
i think you (and a few others) are under the assumption that dc's god is weaker because marvel has an omniverse. however, god is the highest order of infinity conceiveable in EITHER universe.
I never said that,
there was a thread one time comparing the makers of the DC and Marvel Reality,
I agreed in the end that TOAA and the Presence were equals.
But atleast I know what the Presence has done without seeing him, he created all that is DC, but as for the GEB, that's a no show.
Originally posted by leonidas
the only question no one seems to be able to answer is whether geb really does equal "god".
A set of stake knives to who ever gets the story right.
For those of you that are interested, and for my own interest, I want to state the following:
1. It is a "given" that a Universe is a singular, specific Grouping of Galaxies and all other celestial phenomenon that we are, so far, aware of. It is a Natural Formation, and it is based in Real Space. It, (especially using Comic Book Logic) can be considered an Actuality, a Reality or even a Timeline. All of these descriptions have been used both In and Out of Comic Books.
When a Universe is called a Dimension, its is usually as a loose description or a nod to the term "Reality". But, it is incorrect, since a Dimension is just a part of the "Make-Up" of the Reality that is The Universe, whether we are discussiong a Pocket Dimension or a Universal Component.
2. A Multiverse a Multitude (Grouping) of Universes.
3. An Omniverse is a Multitude (Grouping) of Multiverses.
4. An Alternate Dimension, (for example, Cyttorak's or the Negative Zone) when interacting with a specific Universe, is a Pocket Dimension of that Specific Universe. It can be Spiritual/Mystic in nature or Reality/Science-Based.
5. An Actuality, or a Reality is a referrence to whichever Specific Universe or Pocket Dimension is being addressed. It is not a Multitude of ANYTHING. It is a Specific.
6. It has been theorized, (and obviously done in comics), that either through natural passageways, or forceful transport, or random connections, moving from one reality to another is sometimes possible. Even if the realities are based in separate Universes, Multiverses, or, who knows? Maybe Multiple Omniverses.
Originally posted by Galan777
Then just change your statment to say THOTU>GEB, because by feats alone, it is.But you see this really means nothing where this debate is concerned, and i prefer debates to stay on topic, thats all.
No! Based on feats alone TGEB tears THOTU to shreeds. IT has gone up against God himself the biggest feat of them all!! Have you not been paying attention? 😕 And YHWH = The Presence, just different names.
Because each reality, universe, dimension, timeline and multiverse could, theoretically, have different reality components, traits, physical laws, mystical laws, it would be very difficult to compare characters from separate realms. Unless, of course, they have had some kind of activity in a common reality or universe or dimensions. Or, if they have already clashed at one time, so we could draw data from it.
Also, unless an being or artifact or feat has specifically been said to act on a Multiversal, or Multi-Dimensional level, I would find it very hard to just guess at it, and say for sure, that it has occurred in a storyline.
So, for instance, I find a lot of problems with:
1. Living Tribunal, we have read for years and years, has been said to have Multiversal Jurisdiction, with the ability to rule over, and enforce it's judgement on all realities within. Eradication, erasing, destroying, etc.
2. Heart of the Universe, s just that. The Heart of the Universe. One Universe. Otherwise, it should be called the Heart of the Multiverse.
3. Yet, the Heart of the Universe seemed to easily overcome the Living Tribunal. This is a total contradiction and trash writing.
4. And, no. Thanos was not effecting the Multiverse. He was effecting the Universe, and he stated that, when he confronted Warlock, and noted that they must have been hiding outside of This Reality. If anything, when and IF he continued to absorb anything after and IF he absorbed all of the Universe, he may have continued to the absorbtion of Dimensions connected to what he called "THIS Reality". This universe. Which would make sense, if he was worried about others that may interfere. If I remember right, the first thing that Korvac did, when he attained Godhood, was to close off this Universe, this Reality, for all ajoining dimensions and realities, to keep all the busy-bodys from getting involved.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually Galactus was absorbing the entire Universe in the Black Celestial arc."If Galactus isn't stopped now, the ENTIRE UNIVERSE will PERISH"
"the Fantastic Four are trying to stop Galactus from DESTROYING the UNIVERSE"
"Galactus who's busy wolfin' (eating) down ALL of TIME and SPACE"
"Still the Giant doth continue to GROW"
"Eventually, Thor, He would SPAN the ENTIRE UNIVERSE"Read said,
"The time will come soon when ALL the Energy in the UNIVERSE through out it's HISTORY will NOT be SUFFICIENT to feed him"
So, not only was that Universe going down his hatch for lunch, but apparently it was only a snack, for the REST of the MULTI-VERSE was going to follow.
Luckily though,
in order to stop himself from absorbing the rest of the UNIVERSE and EVERYTHING BEYOND
Galactus ERASES that UNIVERSE from existence
"And without a sound, the UNIVERSE behind them softly and suddenly VANISHES AWAY"
So GEB is a speculation, but Ol' Big G is not.
A few questions if you would be so kind as to answer them?
1) How old are those scans ?
2) Is this 616 Galactus?
Originally posted by Mr Master
Also,When Doom absorbed Galactus's Power and his SHIP'S Power,
"Perhaps the greatest Energy Source in the Universe"
This is Dr. Doom....after Absorbing Galactus's power...and Galactus's SHIP.
"What could Beyonder give me that is not already within my power"?
Nice scans but all i see there is doom i would like to see a scan of 616 Galactus weilding power on eternitys level otherwise full power galactus=Eternity is just speculation.
Originally posted by Supreme being
A few questions if you would be so kind as to answer them?1) How old are those scans ?
2) Is this 616 Galactus?
the arc must be about 10 years old now and yes that was 616. the only thing about those scans is that in a previous arc galactus had nearly died on earth and the writer (simonson i think) used that near death as an excuse to allow the dreaming celestial (black celestial) to alter galactus's hunger to the point where he was ravenous and could not stop absorbing. the celestial set things up so that galactus would HAVE to consume everything. galactus has not shown that level of power on his own anywhere else ie --without the tampering of a celestial.
Originally posted by leonidasActually Vertigo comics, which GEB is from, has been portrayed as an omniverse. The universe was portrayed infinitely layered/copied[a multiverse.], and in the final issue of Lucifer, when he exited his creation- he and Yahweh sat and watched these creations rise and fall like a sea of stars above their head, in the void.
i can agree with at least one point -- marvel has acknowledged the existence of an omniverse, dc has not. however, that doesn't support your claim that hotu>geb. at most we've seen hotu tackle a single multiverse. (curious, btw -- why are you so adamant that it WAS the multiverse the hotu wiped out? didn't thanos himself claim it was the universe on a number of occasions? i swore universe was repeatedly stated by adam and thanos, not multiverse . . .) anyway, even assuming it WAS multiverse, it was nothing more than that. it did not wipe out the omniverse.therefore, at best you can make your claim for hotu=geb, and that of course is assuming hotu IS a portion of "god's" power. why a portion? because apparently thanos lacked power to wipe out the omniverse. and no, it wasn't because he didn't try. he clearly meant to absorb EVERYTHING he was capable of -- hence his shock at seeing adam and death still around . . .) by that reasoning, god is infinitely>than the hotu. by extension, if geb=god, geb>hotu + whatever you throw in.
i think you (and a few others) are under the assumption that dc's god is weaker because marvel has an omniverse. however, god is the highest order of infinity conceiveable in EITHER universe.
the only question no one seems to be able to answer is whether geb really does equal "god".
Originally posted by kevdudeThats your own personal oppinion, and isnt factual in the slightest.
No! Based on feats alone TGEB tears THOTU to shreeds. IT has gone up against God himself the biggest feat of them all!! Have you not been paying attention? 😕 And YHWH = The Presence, just different names.
It took God to overcome GEB, and what was THOTU my friend?
Answer: It was Gods power.
Stop bringing you oppinion into this
Destroying the Multiverse>Then doing nothing on pannel
THOTU's feats>GEB (who has no feats, and only your oppinion of what its power should be) 🙄
