Originally posted by abhilegendI googled this...
For those who don't know Faora in her first appearance she nearly killed him because her martial arts bypassed kryptonian durability.
Now I feel better. I don't know if the above was her first appearance, but I'd forgotten about her / her ability to trigger stuff like the dreaded treadmill reflex which can neutralize Superman's ability to fly. It'd be way boss to see this sophisticated attack in live-action...
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Now that I thought more about it, I don't think we should jump to conclusions just yet. How do we know the military doesn't have something that makes him more vulnerable? Like Kryptonite? There is also the possibility that Zod exposed him to it and temporarily weakened him. We'll just have to wait and see. Context can make a huge difference.
There is also the possibility that comicbookmovies.com is wrong, which isn't the first time this would happen. They've gotten stuff wrong in the past before.
When I 'rediscovered' Superman in his animated series, I was nigh shocked by how much weaker he seemed than in the comics. But oddly enough, it also made him (for me) a more interesting character.
I have mixed feelings about the military being effective against him. On the one hand, it could make Clark a more relatable character. On the other hand: No, sorry, uh-uh. He's Superman. He should not need an oxygen mask to breathe in space; and neither should bombs and missiles affect him.
So I don't know. If the film does a good job all around, maybe it won't matter.
Originally posted by spidermanrocksI V8 forehead-slapped myself when I read this.
Now that I thought more about it, I don't think we should jump to conclusions just yet. How do we know the military doesn't have something that makes him more vulnerable? Like Kryptonite? There is also the possibility that Zod exposed him to it and temporarily weakened him. We'll just have to wait and see. Context can make a huge difference.
Originally posted by Mindship
When I 'rediscovered' Superman in his animated series, I was nigh shocked by how much weaker he seemed than in the comics. But oddly enough, it also made him (for me) a more interesting character.I have mixed feelings about the military being effective against him. On the one hand, it could make Clark a more relatable character. On the other hand: No, sorry, uh-uh. He's Superman. He should not need an oxygen mask to breathe in space; and neither should bombs and missiles affect him.
So I don't know. If the film does a good job all around, maybe it won't matter.
From what I remember of the animated Supes, it did make the action scenes more exciting.
He was still the most powerful being on the planet, who could defeat any man made army, still the most powerful superhero, but somehow his slight vulnerability just made for more bad ass action.
It's more exciting if he has to actually fight the army in order to defeat them. Instead of just I'll stand here, you can't do jack to me anyway, I'll just blow you all away with a super breath hurricane.
Just my opinion anyway.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERExactly.
From what I remember of the animated Supes, it did make the action scenes more exciting.He was still the most powerful being on the planet, who could defeat any man made army, still the most powerful superhero, but somehow his slight vulnerability just made for more bad ass action.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
As in JLU animated series? He got hurt quite a bit by things that should'nt hurt him in the Superman and JL animated series IIRC.Smallville Supes was probably the more powerful than Reeve and Routh Supes.
he got hurt, yes, but he also had some really nice showings, and was in a lot of episodes the league's "big gun".
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
As in JLU animated series? He got hurt quite a bit by things that should'nt hurt him in the Superman and JL animated series IIRC.Smallville Supes was probably the more powerful than Reeve and Routh Supes.
smallville clark wasn't as powerful as routh or reeve. then he pushed a planet.
Originally posted by -Pr-
he got hurt, yes, but he also had some really nice showings, and was in a lot of episodes the league's "big gun".
Well of course I'd expect MOS Superman to also have nice feats over time and to also be the League's big gun. I've not read anything to suggest otherwise.
Originally posted by -Pr-
smallville clark wasn't as powerful as routh or reeve.
I'm not sure about that. But either way Smallville and Movie Supes both seemed a lot stronger, faster and generally more invincible than Animated series Supes. And I personally found the animated series action more exciting.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well of course I'd expect MOS Superman to also have nice feats over time and to also be the League's big gun. I've not read anything to suggest otherwise.I'm not sure about that. But either way Smallville and Movie Supes both seemed a lot stronger, faster and generally more invincible than Animated series Supes. And I personally found the animated series action more exciting.
The animated one could be hurt or stunned, but it didn't put him down. He pushed through it, and his strength being as major as it was, made up for any durability issues. Now, while I don't share your belief that the action is more exciting, I wouldn't mind seeing him going up against mechs or anything like that.
If an M16 makes him flinch, well, that's shit imo.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The animated one could be hurt or stunned, but it didn't put him down. He pushed through it,
Yeah that's what I liked about the action with that Superman. He could be hurt, but not defeated.
He had to fight for the win, and he'd push through things (like you've said) and always Up his Game the next time we saw him fight. It was awesome.
So all I'm saying is if that's what they're planning/thinking with MOS it could be pretty cool Imo.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERExactly.
Yeah that's what I liked about the action with that Superman. He could be hurt, but not defeated.He had to fight for the win, and he'd push through things (like you've said) and always Up his Game the next time we saw him fight. It was awesome.
So all I'm saying is if that's what they're planning/thinking with MOS it could be pretty cool Imo.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah that's what I liked about the action with that Superman. He could be hurt, but not defeated.He had to fight for the win, and he'd push through things (like you've said) and always Up his Game the next time we saw him fight. It was awesome.
So all I'm saying is if that's what they're planning/thinking with MOS it could be pretty cool Imo.
Except that when the show brought in stuff like Darkseid etc, it amped him up to be able to deal with threats like that.
Hurting Superman isn't the issue; it's about bringing in enemies that are capable of hurting him (of which, in his rogues gallery there are quite a few), rather than just having the military do it.
Originally posted by -Pr-Don't they play with his power levels in the comics, as well? It's probably the best writers can do balancing how Superman "should be" while keeping him on an exciting, relatable scale.
Except that when the show brought in stuff like Darkseid etc, it amped him up to be able to deal with threats like that.
Originally posted by -Pr-Agreed. My 2nd favorite scene in Superman Returns is, first, how he calmly walks forward through the gatling gunfire, and 2) taking a bullet to the eye without flinching (not counting, of course, that ever-so-subtle eyebrow flinch afterwards, when the bad guy looks at him in disbelief).
If an M16 makes him flinch, well, that's shit imo.
Originally posted by Mindship
Don't they play with his power levels in the comics, as well? It's probably the best writers can do balancing how Superman "should be" while keeping him on an exciting, relatable scale.Agreed. My 2nd favorite scene in Superman Returns is, first, how he calmly walks forward through the gatling gunfire, and 2) taking a bullet to the eye without flinching (not counting, of course, that ever-so-subtle eyebrow flinch afterwards, when the bad guy looks at him in disbelief).
Not nearly to the extent that they have done in various media. Superman is always considered "herald" level; even the reboot was quick to establish that his power level was very high.
Like I said, I don't mind Superman getting hurt; Faora hurting him is fine. I just want it to be by powerful villains is all.
Agreed.
Military affecting Superman...
Winter is coming...
It is said that come 2013 tales of the thorough beaten mankind's savior got from a chick(not sexist or anything, but you know you will be hearing about it all the time) and how he gets hurt by the military. There will be a flood of gammatardness and asgardian hocus pocus ...it will feel like our eyes and ears are being picked apart by crows...and all we will be able to do is ask ourselves..."Why...?"
But seriously...I don't mind Superman being hurt by the military if its a weaker version of him. Like him getting attacked by the military when he first came out, kindda like how the goverment was after him in New 52 Action comics. If his standard level is that...well...I'll be damned.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
As in JLU animated series? He got hurt quite a bit by things that should'nt hurt him in the Superman and JL animated series IIRC.Smallville Supes was probably the more powerful than Reeve and Routh Supes.
Superman got chumped a lot the first season of JL, like getting taken out by an electrically charged manhole cover. The producers cut that out by season 2.
But the days of flying backwards through time to change everything have to be over, if he's going to have realistic challenges other than Zod; plus the potential of sharing the screen someday with lesser power heroes, with skill-sets he doesn't have.
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