Originally posted by jinzinDid Wolverine try to do any of those during a hurrican that was opposing him? Storm was using a hurricane wind to stop him but failed. I would think Storm would know Logans limits from being a teammate for so long but she was still AMAZED at his strength. Why would she be shocked I wonder? Hm..I don't know.okay.. well again wolverine's effortlessly tossed collosus into juggernaught,
he's also single handedly lobbed a dumpster from one end of an alley to another... throwing a person in a portal doesn't seem all that impressive lest he threw them for miles... 😐
Oh your pretty sure? Thats nice, I'm definitely sure he wasn't enhanced. Since I never saw it anywhere and it wasn't stated anywhere. You have no proof.
I have lots of proof. And besides, your opinion doesn't matter as we all know who's your love of life.
Wolverine with normal strength is fully capable of pounding a metal door to a pulp.
In your dreams perhaps. Does he normally come through thick titanium doors like they were paper? (Without the usage of his claws)
And it could have easily been some sort of gadget or bomb that overpowered Nate.
You have no proof, it didn't happen. Sounds familiar?
Wolverine punched Rogue through a brick wall the first time he ever met her. That proves nothing
A solid concrete wall is a lot tougher than a brick wall. This wall was like a damn foot wide. Maybe more.
When he fought Colossus and Rogue in the X-Mansion. Funny how he didn't use this massive super strength upgrade you are talking about against them, since it would have been the perfect time to use it. Instead he relies on gadgets.
What? I've never said anything about a huge powerupgrade, nothing that could rival Colossus' strenght. Funny how he didn't use his claws if they did any damage against Colossus. Never did he show any bombs AFAIK. He hit Colossus with a similiar electro magnetic blast he used to take down the Black Bird.
Issue numbers please. Again, where was that amped strength against Colossus or Rogue? And if he was amped where did that mysterious power-up fly off too? Warren kept the metal wings after he left old Blue Lips.
When he took the suit off. Same thing with War-Hulk.
And Storm was amazed at Deaths strength when he through...somebody(can't remember) through a portal.
Pete's brother. Mikhail Rasputin. He was airborne when he threw him. Through Storm's winds. Pretty impressive IMO.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Did Wolverine try to do any of those during a hurrican that was opposing him? Storm was using a hurricane wind to stop him but failed. I would think would know Logans limits from being a teammate for so long but she was still AMAZED at his strength. Why would she be shocked I wonder? Hm..I don't know.
see? his strength IS the issue here....
storm, colosus, nightcrawler and cyclops all attacked wolverine at the same time under mesmero's request, and they didn't have much luck either...
storms also tried to keep bone claw wolverine at bay with hurricane winds and wolverine kept pressing forward...
again, things wolverine's done before..
i don't know why she'd be impressed with his strength, especially considering the crazy planet she lives on.
I'm bumbing this because of the Cable vs wolverine thread. No one has really shut off this theory. As it was never stated, it's not 100% proof, but Deathverine has enough feats to back up the fact that he could have been enhanced.
Capt it Up goes around dancing and shouting that the matter has been debated to SHUT, when it hasn't.
I list his feats again.
- Deathverine pummels a door into a pulp with nothing else (Cyke says he's literally coming through it like paper, and the art shows us that it isn't being sliced by anyway. If Wolverine did use some kind of weapon, why didn't the weapon make any extra sound, etc?)
- Deathverine jumps through a thick concrete wall while being invisible.
- Takes a full barrage from Cyclops without ill effects.
- Takes all Jean's attack effortlessly.
- Takes X-man's attacks, takes Cable's attacks.
- Headbutts Hulk, destroying his nose.
- Survives a freaking big explosion without ANY scratches.
- Throws Mikhail easily through Orroro's winds while he himself was lifted from the ground by them.
There are more, but I'll list them later on.
And about the Psi scrambler, well it didn't really do any good for Apocalypse when Jean destroyed his insides, or to Deathverine when one of the Mannites blasted him.
Originally posted by Jyppe
I'm bumbing this because of the Cable vs wolverine thread. No one has really shut off this theory. As it was never stated, it's not 100% proof, but Deathverine has enough feats to back up the fact that he could have been enhanced.Capt it Up goes around dancing and shouting that the matter has been debated to SHUT, when it hasn't.
I list his feats again.
- Deathverine pummels a door into a pulp with nothing else (Cyke says he's literally coming through it like paper, and the art shows us that it isn't being sliced by anyway. If Wolverine did use some kind of weapon, why didn't the weapon make any extra sound, etc?)
no proof:
you don't see wolverine hitting anything.
he CAN punch a door to pulp anyways, he's hurt characters with punches and kicks that have durability well over titanium.
it could have been energy blasts for all you know
it could have been artist interpretation since logan is said to be slicing the door away..
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Originally posted by Jyppe
Deathverine jumps through a thick concrete wall while being invisible.
he punched through concrete walls before...
hell he's punched a doppleganger through solid concrete creating a massive crater..... UNDERWATER...
Originally posted by Jyppe
- Takes a full barrage from Cyclops without ill effects.
He's done it before, during the brood sage, and when mesmero took cyk over.
Originally posted by Jyppe
- Takes all Jean's attack effortlessly.Takes X-man's attacks, takes Cable's attacks.
tk failsafes...
Originally posted by Jyppe
- Headbutts Hulk, destroying his nose.
he didn't "destroy" anything... he hurt hulk enough to make hulk let go....
cap's used pressure points on hulk
kicked the wind out of him
hell wolverine without admantium punched hulk in the groin to GREAT effect.. would you argue that they were also all enhanced?
Originally posted by Jyppe
- Survives a freaking big explosion without ANY scratches.
done that with plane crashes as well....
did it when the blackbird crashed in EOTS.
did it when the x-men tangled with the shiar empire the first time as well.
Originally posted by Jyppe
- Throws Mikhail easily through Orroro's winds while he himself was lifted from the ground by them.
bone claw wolverine went after storm while she pounded on him with hurricane winds, by her own admission, everything she could conjure.. he still came at her.
Originally posted by Jyppe
And about the Psi scrambler, well it didn't really do any good for Apocalypse when Jean destroyed his insides, or to Deathverine when one of the Mannites blasted him.
not all tk or tp is of the same variation or level, or type...
mannites are not X-men, who did apoc prep wolverine for? x-men....
I'm still onot convinced and I STILL have yet to see anything stated to prove he was enhanced.. 😕
so far wolverine implied to cable that apoc only enhanced what wolverine walready was by allowing him to cut holding back.
in wolverine 166, he implied the same thing again.
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
It just seems weird that Apoc wouldn't enhance him when he enhanced every other character he's "sired"... you have to admit it's at least a little fishy.
it's like people don't listen...
APOC DID ENHANCE WOLVERINE....
he gave him back his admantium skeleton....
and (most likely) increased his healing factor...
aside from that apoc gave him a bunch of nifty weapons and a suit of armor that had a camo mode built in.
but I don't think he made him physically more durable or stronger than before.... he didn't do anything that he hasn't done either before death or after...
Then why doesn't wolverine dance around all other characters all the time... ohhh, I guess because he just doesn't care as apocalypse lackey.
Still, apocalypse raised both Hulk AND Archangels durability and strength and all that jazz... so it STILL seems a bit fishy to me. I'll agree that they ARE things wolverine has done before... but what the hell HASN'T wolverine done before, you know?
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Then why doesn't wolverine dance around all other characters all the time... ohhh, I guess because he just doesn't care as apocalypse lackey.
okay now you're just being glib....
please I'm trying to have just a friendly discussion about this, if you're going to act that way unprovoked then it's probably better if you just don't reply at all... there's no need for that here.
Wolverine does dance around characters quite a bit when he has to, or when he wants to, but that's not always the most effecient way for him to fight.
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Still, apocalypse raised both Hulk AND Archangels durability and strength and all that jazz...
HE did hulk's with a suit; that was stated.... and shown.
archy's durability didn't go up, only his wings. His strength seemed to remain the same as well so I'm not sure what you're reffering to there.
Originally posted by Rick/Genisshot bolts of lightning from his ass?
so it STILL seems a bit fishy to me. I'll agree that they ARE things wolverine has done before... but what the hell HASN'T wolverine done before, you know?
well it can still seem fishy to you as you're entitled to that, but from where I'm standing you have no good reason for it to.
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
So realizing half way through your sentence that you were wrong is now considered to to be copping an attitude? Hm. I was agreeing with you for once and you threw it in my face.
Ahhh see, the way it reads, it look insincere. but if you were serious then never mind, sorry.