I'm in a non-denominational church for one. I specify where my money goes to keep it out of the hands of anyone who might use it for their own purposes. I also support the doctrine of everyone being equal in Christ as the Bible teaches. Where no one can claim authority over another or infringe upon their free will.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I'm in a non-denominational church for one. I specify where my money goes to keep it out of the hands of anyone who might use it for their own purposes. I also support the doctrine of everyone being equal in Christ as the Bible teaches. Where no one can claim authority over another or infringe upon their free will.
Yet...
1. Non-denomnational still supports a church and still supports one religious sect.
2. Homsexuality comes to mind as a glaring contradiction to that statemenet.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
If someone tells you your entire life - not to stick your head in a lion's mouth, and then out of curiousity, stupidity, or willfull ignorance - you go stick your head in a lion's mouth, I would take a gander at saying that it's your fault when the lion bites your head off.
Another horrible anology usagi...im dissapointed ❌
1) We know Lions exist....there's proof.
2) We don't know Hell exists... there's no proof.
Originally posted by Alliance
Yet...1. Non-denomnational still supports a church and still supports one religious sect.
2. Homsexuality comes to mind as a glaring contradiction to that statemenet.
2) There are homosexuals within the church. Free will is not infringed on, even if certain decisions are not supported. Homosexualities still partake of all church events. We do not claim authority over them so I don't see what you are getting at.
1. Christianity. I'm not talking about outreach, I'm talking about your religion.
2. Im jsut getting at inequality. Whats your stance on gay marriage? Their decisions are supported? Yet they are told they are sinners because of who they are. "My boy, you have freckles. You must pray to god to have him remove this abomination from within you."
Originally posted by Alliance
1. Christianity. I'm not talking about outreach, I'm talking about your religion.2. Im jsut getting at inequality. Whats your stance on gay marriage? Their decisions are supported? Yet they are told they are sinners because of who they are. "My boy, you have freckles. You must pray to god to have him remove this abomination from within you."
2) They are supported in things in line with scripture. They are not told anything or condemned, however, they know that we accept the Bible as the word of God. If they try to impose other beliefs upon our church then problems will arise. Any convictions they have must come from the word of God, not from us.
Originally posted by Nellinator
1) Supporting Christianity is not necessarily a bad thing. I am careful to ensure that I support the good things.
So you acknowledge that Christianity contains bad things as well ?
Originally posted by Nellinator
2) They are supported in things in line with scripture. They are not told anything or condemned, however, they know that we accept the Bible as the word of God. If they try to impose other beliefs upon our church then problems will arise. Any convictions they have must come from the word of God, not from us.
You are dancing around his question, and not answering it directly. You obviously do not support Gay Marriage. You do not support equality to its fullest....just admit it so we can move on.
Some Christians do bad things that are attached to Christianity. I do not believe that Christianity as Jesus taught and showed it is bad in any sense.
I do not see gay marriage as an issue of equality. If you search way back you will see my stance on marriage (one that most people have never considered or thought of). I believe that marriage should be seperated from the state and that all marriage benefits should be removed. Marriage should be defined within each marriage. Therefore, Hindu and Muslim marriage would be different than Christian marriage, though none would claim any advantage. Then non-believers can do whatever they want without imposing upon the marriage that the Bible teaches.
Originally posted by Nellinator
1) Supporting Christianity is not necessarily a bad thing. I am careful to ensure that I support the good things.
Originally posted by Nellinator
2) They are supported in things in line with scripture. They are not told anything or condemned, however, they know that we accept the Bible as the word of God. If they try to impose other beliefs upon our church then problems will arise. Any convictions they have must come from the word of God, not from us.
Exactly and that is where you fail to become an existentialist and become a tool of indocrination.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Some Christians do bad things that are attached to Christianity. I do not believe that Christianity as Jesus taught and showed it is bad in any sense.
Smart people can see the difference between the two. What I complain about are beliefs that I feel are institutionalized. As Jesus taught is an interpretation. Especialyl since you're using secondhand sources.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
If someone tells you your entire life - not to stick your head in a lion's mouth, and then out of curiousity, stupidity, or willfull ignorance - you go stick your head in a lion's mouth, I would take a gander at saying that it's your fault when the lion bites your head off.
Your argument is stupid. We aren't talking about a lions mouth. We're talking about eternal damnation. Once again, you presebt your position as an absolute truth. If you're so secure in your idea of the afterlife, then why would you be affraid to stick your head in a lions mouth? Or a lions den? Once again, your scared of death just like the rest of us, but you have to subscribe to fairy tales to comfort yourself.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I see this ridiculous argument from non-church going people all the time. First off, most of the people benefitting from tithing are not even church members. Financial records are very open to all church members to look at. There are budget meetings and so on. Money is put where it will have the most effect. The money I tithe usually is given a specific destination. I particularily liked the program my church had for providing homes for single mothers. We raised the money and bought the houses, then we pay for all expenses for these single mothers. How does anyone in the church benefit from this? They don't. Most people in these shelters are not Christians and yet they are the ones getting the money. Apparently the church does care even if you aren't tithing so this argument is crap.
Add to that the fact that most church goers don't tithe and this argument is shown to be further crap.There may be some selfish church officials out there, but don't lump people together.
All this talk of money. It's a shame. Too bad you have twisted your religion into a money pretzel. Too bad your church gets together to discuss money. Mine did too, don't hate yourself. Money, money, money. It's all about money with you people. Money and damnation. Fear and profit.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Some Christians do bad things that are attached to Christianity. I do not believe that Christianity as Jesus taught and showed it is bad in any sense.
Can't argue with you there.... I do not truly know what Jesus taught, and neither do you. We only know what his Disciples had to say about his teachings, and since his disciples are only human, the possibility of error is 100%.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I do not see gay marriage as an issue of equality.
But it clearly is. If Heterosexual couples are entitled to marriage, while Homosexual couples are not, that is absolute inequality, no ands, ifs, or buts.
Originally posted by Nellinator
If you search way back you will see my stance on marriage (one that most people have never considered or thought of). I believe that marriage should be seperated from the state and that all marriage benefits should be removed.
An Interesting take. Yes, I remember...you said, however, that marriage should simply be a RELIGIOUS ceremony, and NOT a state ceremony. And if there was a religion that was okay with homosexuality, that you would recognize a Gay Marriage is valid if thier religion permits it.
But since Marriage has existed way before Christianity did, and since Marriage has existed as a state AND religious institution since the dawn of the United States, I don't see why Marriage should change into a religious ceremony only.
In that case, Atheists can't get married. That is Further discrimination.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Marriage should be defined within each marriage. Therefore, Hindu and Muslim marriage would be different than Christian marriage, though none would claim any advantage. Then non-believers can do whatever they want without imposing upon the marriage that the Bible teaches.
So how about this...we'll have....
ready ?
ATHEIST GAY MARRIAGES that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH !
😱
Huh ? You like ? Good idea, no ?
Oh wait....that's what us f*ggots were trying to promote before.....I don't see what the problem is then 😕
Re: Re: Re: Why do you believe in the bible?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Why did you make that choice ?
Because as a Mexican, it's an unwritten universal law to be Christian.
....Besides, I already have a tat of the Virgin Mary, so I figured "Why not?".
But I also have a tat of an Aztec calender, so I guess I'm religiously confused. 😕
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why do you believe in the bible?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Because as a Mexican, it's an unwritten universal law to be Christian.....Besides, I already have a tat of the Virgin Mary, so I figured "Why not?".
But I also have a tat of an Aztec calender, so I guess I'm religiously confused. 😕
I don't think you are confused. I like your honesty. You are a Christian and you know why, that is probable why you don't go around cramming it down everyone's threat.