Atheists and Theists

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Wasn't that always your stance ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You simply resort to calling Christianity fiction, when you seem to have less knowledge about the Bible and Christianity than most of us do.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I have been Christian for 18 years of my life....I have read the Bible repeatedly....I have done my research obsessively (before denouncing my own Christianity).

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I have reasons, both logical and factual as to why God cannot exist. What do you have ? "Oh, it's a bunch of bullshit" 🙄

1. It just can't.
2. The Bible is outside what we know as reality.
3. The Bible contradicts itself.
4. Christianity is a bastard. (not genuine or of dubious origin) (Incase you think I'm calling it illigitamate.
5. He hates gays so he must be made up.
6. Same as 3.
7. Same as 3.
8. Same as 3.
9. I don't think he should have a gender.
10. Same as 3.
11. Same as 2.
12. Same as 3.
13. Same as 4.
14. Same as 3.

This is basically biased and unplanned dribble.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Uhh....you have proven to be nothing but biased....we are ALL biased...please don't pull that, "I'm special" card. Thank You.

I suggest you read it again xyz.....none of those reasons are pure bias, logically Biblical God cannot exist.

Unless you wanna argue, "God defies logic"

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I suggest you read it again xyz.....none of those reasons are pure bias, logically Biblical God cannot exist.

Unless you wanna argue, "God defies logic"

Originally posted by lord xyz
I'm not special, I'm the opposite of a fascist. 500% left wing.

You are biased, we all are.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You are biased, we all are.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Some more than others.

True

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) Logically, Biblical God cannot exist.
2) Contradictions between scripture and reality
3) Contradictions between scripture and scripture
4) Christianity has too much in common with past mythologies, thereby I and many others conclude it is a copy of the religions that preceded it
5) Why would the same person who created this vast universe give a sh*t who you or I have sex with ?
6) An all-loving God would never send anyone to a place of eternal torment....end of story
7) A perfect God cannot be a hypocrit
8) "Thou shalt not kill"- yet God killed 99% of the human population during the Great Flood, killed BABIES during the time of Moses, and destroyed entire populations of two cities: Sodom and Gomorrha
9) God cannot be male, why does he have need of a gender, and where is his female equal ?
10) Biblical God is too limitted
11) God's "people" have proven to be heavily misguided throughout history
12) A loving God does not encourage violence
13) In the Bible, Hell is called "Hades" a pagan myth, where God forbade paganism...
14) Supposedly, Satan has control over this Earth....is God that weak ? Or is he just lazy ? Or what ?

We created that God, not the other way around. That God does not exist....he's too human 😉

None of that proves anything. You might not like it, but the biblical God may very well exist. There's no reason why it couldn't.

Originally posted by Bardock42
None of that proves anything. You might not like it, but the biblical God may very well exist. There's no reason why it couldn't.

I didn't say it proves it. I state why I don't beleive he can exist...and remember, those were just the reasons I pulled out of my head...there are far more, but it makes my brain hurt to go into detail...me being stupid and all.....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I didn't say it proves it. I state why I don't beleive he can exist...and remember, those were just the reasons I pulled out of my head...there are far more, but it makes my brain hurt to go into detail...me being stupid and all.....

Though it is unreasonable. It is very much possible. Also weird of you, since you are generally an agnostic (apparently one not leaning to a side) and deny those for some reason.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Though it is unreasonable. It is very much possible. Also weird of you, since you are generally an agnostic (apparently one not leaning to a side) and deny those for some reason.

I am open to the possibility of the existance of a creational force, or even a "male" God.....I even like Lil B's personal concept of God, as well as Shaky's.

Christianity has its good points....on the surface. But you cannot look to the Bible, and nitpick....if you want a Biblical God, you have to base it on everything the Bible states...that God is a hypocrite...plain and clear. That God is also sexist, masochistic, sadistic, wrathful, envious, and immature.

I mean, it would explain why WE are those things...but it makes more sense that we attributed OUR aspects to this God....after copying the concept of God from the mythologies that preceded it.

Basically, it does not compute. At least not to me. The existance of Biblical God (remaining true to the Bible's descriptions) makes no sense to me. I don't beleive it, I don't buy it, not for a second. Therefore I disregard it as incorrect, yet still remain open to the possibility of a god existing.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I am open to the possibility of the existance of a creational force, or even a "male" God.....I even like Lil B's personal concept of God, as well as Shaky's.

Christianity has its good points....on the surface. But you cannot look to the Bible, and nitpick....if you want a Biblical God, you have to base it on everything the Bible states...that God is a hypocrite...plain and clear. That God is also sexist, masochistic, sadistic, wrathful, envious, and immature.

I mean, it would explain why WE are those things...but it makes more sense that we attributed OUR aspects to this God....after copying the concept of God from the mythologies that preceded it.

Basically, it does not compute. At least not to me. The existance of Biblical God (remaining true to the Bible's descriptions) makes no sense to me. I don't beleive it, I don't buy it, not for a second. Therefore I disregard it as incorrect, yet still remain open to the possibility of a god existing.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, God could be a sexist, masochist, hypocrite and liar. Lets face it, look around the world. God (if existent) is a ****ing joker.

It does make sense....the people who dominate our world, just happen to be sexist, masochist, hypocritical liars......

But i fail to see how that kind of person created something as magnificent, complex, and diverse as our universe

And I fail to see how Love, Fairness, and compassion could truly come from such a person.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It does make sense....the people who dominate our world, just happen to be sexist, masochist, hypocritical liars......

But i fail to see how that kind of person created something as magnificent, complex, and diverse as our universe

And I fail to see how Love, Fairness, and compassion could truly come from such a person.

Cause he finds it lol?

The reason science is bent towards atheism and not agnosticsm is because theism involves a token of belief rather than the following of evidence, which is unscientific in the extreme. The position of science relative to that is not ambivalence, but rejection.

Science is open to any and all possiblities- it is merely the deciphering of the way the Universe works, wherever that reasoning may take us. But it absolutely can only follow that trail.

It must be said, when one is agnostic simply because you view atheism as some sort of untenable certainly just like theism, then I have strong issues with that reasoning. Atheism is in no way at all equivalent in that sense, nor is it unreasonable to use burden of proof as a damn good reason not to believe in God any more than the tooth fairy or the idea that the Germans conquered Poland with a giant purple dinosaur. Some things are just too extreme to reasonably believe could happen only by the presumption of there being lots and lots of evidence that we just have not seen yet. The mainstream view of religion is inside this area, and the only reason it is not looked at as a hysterically silly idea is because it is historically entrenched, which is a poor reason to give it any form of credence.

This being so, I do agree with Douglas Adams' highly disparaging views on agnostics, a view it seems he disliked even more than religion. He called agnosticism a view which showed "a desire not to have to think about things too much."

Here is an Interview he gave a few years ago about the subject: http://www.americanatheist.org/win98-99/T2/silverman.html

Though I do not agree fully, it is interesting to read why a very intelligent person believes what they believe (and what they believe).

What do you know? That's what I just quoted from.

It does very much lay out the fallacy of treating both views as being equal but opposite.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
What do you know? That's what I just quoted from.

It does very much lay out the fallacy of treating both views as being equal but opposite.

I don't think he was really referring to ALL agnosticism, though. Merely people who defaulted to it for the reasons he gave. He never liked people that did not think things through.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I don't think he was really referring to ALL agnosticism, though. Merely people who defaulted to it for the reasons he gave. He never liked people that did not think things through.

Yeah, probably. Cool guy.