Originally posted by Bardock42
Atheism is just as much a belief system as Agnosticism. I agree.
It very well is. It's just not a religion.
I think people use Belief system and religion as automatic synonyms and that's incorrect to do so.
Agnosticism alone, however, doesn't take a solid or bias stance. That's the difference between it and Atheism/Theism
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It is in itself a belief. So is "Angelina Jolie is hot." I wouldn't call it in itself a belief system. It would only constitute a belief system if it formed the foundation for derivative beliefs, ethical philosophies etc.
A reasonable comparison X, but just keep in mind that In order for Atheism, Theism, or Agnosticism to exist, the concept of God must be there first.
Not all people can fall under these 3 categories. Some people, beleive it or not, were never exposed to the concept of God in the first place.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It very well is. It's just not a religion.I think people use Belief system and religion as automatic synonyms and that's incorrect to do so.
Agnosticism alone, however, doesn't take a solid or bias stance. That's the difference between it and Atheism/Theism
Neither is Atheism.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'd imagine other than those who have no concept of god, that you would find it difficult to find people who truly held an exactly balanced agnosticism, and didn't have a slight inclination one way or the other.
Probably. I consider myself Agnostic even though I don't beleive in the mainstream Christian God. Doesn't make me Athiest though.
Atheism is not the opposite of Christianity....Atheism is the opposite of Religion and all Theism, simply meaning a belief in ANY God or cosmic creator is rejected.
I still am open to the possibility that a "God" may exist. I do beleive there may be some kind of unifying or creational force that somehow formed this Universe...not based on any concrete proof, but based on the evidense of the workings of chaos and order in our cosmos that science has discovered, based on the numerous complex systems our reality consists of, and just based on rationalization from research and experience.
A lot of Agnostics hold the same opinion.....just because we aren't strictly in the middle, doesn't mean we're not agnostic.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Generalisations are frowned upon.
Oooh really? Isn't that interesting.
Except of course if you are a relgious person being lumped together, than its ok?
Or perhaps a religious people in general?!
Then generalisation is ok. Look around this forum, look at the posts.
You frown upon when what you hold dear is being generalised, otherwise...
I am not picking on you, or being personal. Far from it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Good. Well, the wording is still offensive to theists and atheists (also those that do not fit the radical category).
Im sure this, however was not offencive to Christians who are not in ''radical category''.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Probably. I consider myself Agnostic even though I don't beleive in the mainstream Christian God. Doesn't make me Athiest though.Atheism is not the opposite of Christianity....Atheism is the opposite of Religion and all Theism, simply meaning a belief in ANY God or cosmic creator is rejected.
I still am open to the possibility that a "God" may exist. I do beleive there may be some kind of unifying or creational force that somehow formed this Universe...not based on any concrete proof, but based on the evidense of the workings of chaos and order in our cosmos that science has discovered, based on the numerous complex systems our reality consists of, and just based on rationalization from research and experience.
A lot of Agnostics hold the same opinion.....just because we aren't strictly in the middle, doesn't mean we're not agnostic.
I am undecided about God. It might exist but not as a sadistic deity who watches our every move...I doubt that.
However, I read something in New Scientist recently which begins to shake my view on things.
There is a emerging belief that our universe is only one of the many. That others may have allowed another life. Apperantly there are far more universes created at different times, before, and after ours...hmmm, something to ponder about.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenAnd I would call them Atheist. For they are just like atheists, they don't have a religion.
A reasonable comparison X, but just keep in mind that In order for Atheism, Theism, or Agnosticism to exist, the concept of God must be there first.Not all people can fall under these 3 categories. Some people, beleive it or not, were never exposed to the concept of God in the first place.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I know it is.Im sure this, however was not offencive to Christians who are not in ''radical category''.
Haha, touché. Yes, without a doubt I was an ******* sometimes and probably am still oftentimes. But I speak truth and just because I am offensive you don't have to be offensive to decent, open-minded, moderate theists or atheist, right?
[edit] Damn, I was just like Urizen back then. I should kill myself or something.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oooh really? Isn't that interesting.Except of course if you are a relgious person being lumped together, than its ok?
Or perhaps a religious people in general?!
Then generalisation is ok. Look around this forum, look at the posts.You frown upon when what you hold dear is being generalised, otherwise...
That's what I tried to say before LIL B....X is against generalizations but insists on claiming that all religious people beleive lies.
Originally posted by lord xyz
And I would call them Atheist. For they are just like atheists, they don't have a religion.
you cannot be Athiest without a knowledge of the concept of God.
Is a New Born child Atheist ?
Is a dead person Atheist ?
Is a mentally retarted person Atheist?
Atheism is an intentional and concious beleif in the non-existance of God or gods.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I am undecided about God. It might exist but not as a sadistic deity who watches our every move...I doubt that.However, I read something in New Scientist recently which begins to shake my view on things.
There is a emerging belief that our universe is only one of the many. That others may have allowed another life. Apperantly there are far more universes created at different times, before, and after ours...hmmm, something to ponder about.
I know, I have heard this before and it's so interesting.
It makes it really hard to beleive that some kind of creator or creation force doesn't exist.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenHow so?
you cannot be Athiest without a knowledge of the concept of God.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenYes.
Is a New Born child Atheist ?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen...I really don't know how to aswer this question...
Is a dead person Atheist ?
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI don't know, are you?
Is a mentally retarted person Atheist?
Originally posted by Lord UrizenHow so?
[b]Atheism is an intentional and concious beleif in the non-existance of God or gods. [/B]
Originally posted by lil bitchinessHold dear? 🤨
Oooh really? Isn't that interesting.Except of course if you are a relgious person being lumped together, than its ok?
Or perhaps a religious people in general?!
Then generalisation is ok. Look around this forum, look at the posts.You frown upon when what you hold dear is being generalised, otherwise...
I am not picking on you, or being personal. Far from it.
I was simply pointing out an inaccurate generalisation. The religious people on this forum are equally welcome to point out generalisations made about them.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI claim things are false, based on reasoning or evidence etc. e.g. a worldwide flood as described in the Bible. I.e. "What some religious people believe is lies." You've done the same thing numerous times. I don't claim all Christians believe this literally. I.e. "All religious people believe lies." Your statement is flawed. Try again, strawman.
That's what I tried to say before LIL B....X is against generalizations but insists on claiming that all religious people beleive lies.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Haha, touché. Yes, without a doubt I was an ******* sometimes and probably am still oftentimes. But I speak truth and just because I am offensive you don't have to be offensive to decent, open-minded, moderate theists or atheist, right?[edit] Damn, I was just like Urizen back then. I should kill myself or something.
AHAHAHAHAH!! Don't kill yerself.
I wasn't trying to be offencive, but point out to people on this forum, Atheists, how the same they are las the people they are CONSTANTLY b!tching about.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hold dear? 🤨I was simply pointing out an inaccurate generalisation. The religious people on this forum are equally welcome to point out generalisations made about them. I claim things are false, based on reasoning or evidence etc. e.g. a worldwide flood as described in the Bible. I.e. "What some religious people believe is lies." You've done the same thing numerous times. I don't claim all Christians believe this literally. I.e. "All religious people believe lies." Your statement is flawed. Try again, strawman.
I have taken the liberty of pointing that out for them. It is simply annoying. Noone presents any thread or an argument which is not a generalsiation of some kind of religious majority/minority.
Meh!