Ryu and Terry Bogard vs Geese Howard and M. Bison

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
C'mon, you honestly belive that was a legit fight? Being exahuasted from fighting shingo, and kyo?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That just seems like snk not caring much for hierarchy.

I always thought that since he won the first kof tournament, and the fact that he's plowed through his own list of formidabale bosses helped in his favor. Not to mention that he trains hell ov a lot more than kyo.

What's your op on Terry/Iori/O.Iori?

Originally posted by brainchild81
& others, I'll get really pissed if he takes him in a fair one.

LOL, and others, who else was there? Were talking about a guy who put the hurt on the most powerful boss in snk history And he get's beatin by ash?! What's worst is your saying he was tired from fighting SHINGO!!

Originally posted by brainchild81

Kyo doesn't need to train as much as Terry. If he did train as much, Terry wouldn't even stand a chance. Rugal>>>>Anybody Terry's ever beaten w/out help.

What's your op on Terry/Iori/O.Iori?

Let's be honest now brainchild, we all now every boss kyo fights is a jobber. He goes through bosses as if they were canon fodder;He even defeated krizilid with a single attack. What's the point of calling them bosses if they are going to lose like that?

And as for iori and terry, honestly I interrpert the tiers much different ly than most. The only bosses I acknowlege are : The jin twins, yamakazi, geese, krauser, Mr.karate, and of course orochi.

I feel that Iori is alittle higher than terry because of his destiny But, terry can still give him a match due to his experience.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
LOL, and others, who else was there? Were talking about a guy who put the hurt on the most powerful boss in snk history And he get's beatin by ash?! What's worst is your saying he was tired from fighting [B] SHINGO!![/B]

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Let's be honest now brainchild, we all now every boss kyo fights is a jobber. He goes through bosses as if they were canon fodder;He even defeated krizilid with a single attack. What's the point of calling them bosses if they are going to lose like that?

And as for iori and terry, honestly I interrpert the tiers much different ly than most. The only bosses I acknowlege are : The jin twins, yamakazi, geese, krauser, Mr.karate, and of course orochi.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I feel that Iori is alittle higher than terry because of his destiny But, terry can still give him a match due to his experience.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Shingo, Kyo, Magaki & the chick b4 him were all beaten.

I don't think kyo's team fought magaki and shion

Originally posted by brainchild81

You calling Goenitz a jobber? & Rugal'd beat most of the people on that list. Kyo did have a lil help when he beat him.

No, But, rugal, igniz, and krizilid are.

Originally posted by brainchild81

I guess, but what about Orochi Iori?

Yeah, he should be a boss too, and not lose to ash ,ever.

Agreed. Rugal's not a jobber though.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Agreed. Rugal's not a jobber though.

The dude supposedly beat an entire cast yet, lost to one team. that's jobbing, but he's still cool.

"yeah that was KoF 99 if i remember correct.
apparently Terry forgot that if he is in "armor mode" [in the comics fighters can actually actually go into armor mode, lol] he can't do a power. lololololoolololololololololololololololololololol
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Yeah thats right it was the KOF 99 comics if I remember..the author should be shot on site. About the Terry, Kyo and Iori deal...still it says nowhere that they are better than him. Terry schools Kyo and Iori. Terry has the heart...something they lack. Kyo's destiny was to seal the Orochi and possibly end the Kusanagi-Yagami fued by defeating Iori.

This is what I am talking about since fans of Kyo think because he can naturally throw flames and that he defeated Orochi with Iori that somehow implies that he can school Terry which is not the case. Imagine if Terry had the ablility to use flames combined with his passion and detication for fighting....I think he would hand Kyo and Iori a whooping for the ages.

SNK never stated that Terry lost to Kyo or Iori for that matter.

Ahem. Thanks P. As I pointed out a page or two ago, RUGAL GOT JOBBED. Not a jobber, but jobbed. key difference being, he lost due to PIS and a plot device. Hell, Darkstorm agreed with me and said it was the worst PIS since krytonite flame. I thought it was closer to squirrel girl personally. Or are you, brain, claiming Kyo is the squirrel girl of fighting games? 😆

Doesn't Iori beating Kyo like that, smack of favoritism and piss poor writing? Iori beats Kyo&shingo, after possibly beating Shion and Magaki, while in a blood riot that actually weakened his abilities and both he and Kyo at less than half strength before the riot? I think this points to Kyo being far weaker than Iori and his lack of training finally biting him in the ass. It's well known that Kyo is weaker than Iori, but to lose to him when both were at half strengh, with the addiontal weakness of the blood riot and with Shingo on his team? Pathetic. That screams out to me, "Kyo is a jobber." And Brain, doesn't Iori doing that speak more to how much he hates Kyo and outclasses him than either of their respective powers?

My opinion on Terry vs. iori from a page ago:

Terry vs. Iori: tough call. At this point, despite Brain and P-Geyser's pleas for either side, I call it a draw. HOWEVER, Terry > Orochi Iori at this point. Keep in mind that Orochi Iori actually weakens Iori at this point, so Terry has a good shot of winning. Normal Orochi Iori, where he gets the power boost, yeah, he probably beats Terry. But this version? Terry schools him.

This version of Orochi is not even as powerful as regular Iori, how can you say Terry won't own him outright? And if he's that much weaker than regular Iori, and he still schools Kyo&shingo, that proves Kyo is a jobber.

Let's look at Kyo's bosses in order. 1. Rugal KOF94'. Team battle and I think Rugal was taken off-guard, much like Geese in Fatal Fury1. 2. Omega Rugal KOF95' PIS&plot device. Pure and simple. 3. Goenitz KOF96' Defeated by team japan, and the shingi trioca. 4. Orochi KOF97'. Plot device, does not count in terms of strength appraisal. Skip ahead past the NESTS saga....... 5. Mukai. Beaten, but not really. He got right back up and left. 6. Magaki. Can't judge how powerful he was. He did get back up like Mukai, but then he got stabbed in the heart by Shion.

Name one of these guys that Kyo could beat on his own. ....................thought so. Hell, Iori did most of the work against Orochi and Goenitz.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Imagine if Terry had the ablility to use flames

Please, don't ever post soemthing like that again. 🙁

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ahem. Thanks P. As I pointed out a page or two ago, RUGAL GOT JOBBED. Not a jobber, but jobbed. key difference being, he lost due to PIS and a plot device. Hell, Darkstorm agreed with me and said it was the worst PIS since krytonite flame. I thought it was closer to squirrel girl personally. Or are you, brain, claiming Kyo is the squirrel girl of fighting games? 😆

No, all the bosses of kof are jobbers, since they always lose to one or two people. As much as I like rugal, they did him dirty.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Doesn't Iori beating Kyo like that, smack of favoritism and piss poor writing? Iori beats Kyo&shingo, after possibly beating Shion and Magaki, while in a blood riot that actually weakened his abilities and both he and Kyo at less than half strength before the riot?

Where was this said, because it seems he's hella stronger in blood riot mode. He choked the hell out of orochi and somehow is tired from fighting Shingo and kyo. There is no evidence at all indicating he fought magaki and shion.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

I think this points to Kyo being far weaker than Iori and his lack of training finally biting him in the ass. It's well known that Kyo is weaker than Iori, but to lose to him when both were at half strengh, with the addiontal weakness of the blood riot and with Shingo on his team? Pathetic. That screams out to me, "Kyo is a jobber." And Brain, doesn't Iori doing that speak more to how much he hates Kyo and outclasses him than either of their respective powers?

Orochi struggled against orochi iori; why people underestimate him is beyong me. Losing to orochi Iori is not jobbing, it's the natural course of events.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

My opinion on Terry vs. iori from a page ago:

Terry vs. Iori: tough call. At this point, despite Brain and P-Geyser's pleas for either side, I call it a draw. HOWEVER, Terry > Orochi Iori at this point. Keep in mind that Orochi Iori actually weakens Iori at this point, so Terry has a good shot of winning. Normal Orochi Iori, where he gets the power boost, yeah, he probably beats Terry. But this version? Terry schools him.

So, by your logic, Terry> orochi. I'm starting to see brainchilds point, terry is strong. But, damn you guy's are putting him way to high.
This version of Orochi is not even as powerful as regular Iori, how can you say Terry won't own him outright? And if he's that much weaker than regular Iori, and he still schools Kyo&shingo, that proves Kyo is a jobber.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Let's look at Kyo's bosses in order. 1. Rugal KOF94'. Team battle and I think Rugal was taken off-guard, much like Geese in Fatal Fury1. 2. Omega Rugal KOF95' PIS&plot device. Pure and simple. 3. Goenitz KOF96' Defeated by team japan, and the shingi trioca. 4. Orochi KOF97'. Plot device, does not count in terms of strength appraisal. Skip ahead past the NESTS saga....... 5. Mukai. Beaten, but not really. He got right back up and left. 6. Magaki. Can't judge how powerful he was. He did get back up like Mukai, but then he got stabbed in the heart by Shion.

Name one of these guys that Kyo could beat on his own. ....................thought so. Hell, Iori did most of the work against Orochi and Goenitz.

I don't think boss fights help give recognition of strentgh, instead it seems more catered to recognition of status.

Since Kyo does kinda plow through the bosses some how, maybe he should be the boss, worst things have happened in the whimsical world of KOF. This whould prove how strong he truly is, depending on who beats him and how he is defeated.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Where was this said, because it seems he's hella stronger in blood riot mode. He choked the hell out of orochi and somehow is tired from fighting [B]Shingo and kyo. There is no evidence at all indicating he fought magaki and shion.[/B]

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Orochi struggled against orochi iori; why people underestimate him is beyong me. Losing to orochi Iori is not jobbing, it's the natural course of events.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, by your logic, Terry> orochi. I'm starting to see brainchilds point, terry is strong. But, damn you guy's are putting him way to high.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
About the Terry, Kyo and Iori deal...still it says nowhere that they are better than him. Terry schools Kyo and Iori. Terry has the heart...something they lack.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
This is what I am talking about since fans of Kyo think because he can naturally throw flames and that he defeated Orochi with Iori that somehow implies that he can school Terry which is not the case. Imagine if Terry had the ablility to use flames combined with his passion and detication for fighting....I think he would hand Kyo and Iori a whooping for the ages.

Originally posted by brainchild81
I also need to see how he was weaker than usual.

I'm telling you it's jobbing. He solo'ed orochi and has problems with Shingo?!
Ash jobbed him, that's obvious. Never mind ash stealing the yayta mirror while the sacred treasures team was formed.

Possibly. I hate it when I'm not fast enough to edit in time. You know anything about Iori & Kyo not having heart?

TP, please explain how Iori winning a fight that Terry was unable to makes Terry more powerful than Iori.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Possibly. I hate it when I'm not fast enough to edit in time. You know anything about Iori & Kyo not having heart?

It's safe to say their "Dstiny" play's a large part in their status as top tier characters. They don't have heart, and don't need it.

No, all the bosses of kof are jobbers, since they always lose to one or two people. As much as I like rugal, they did him dirty.

SF2
bison gets new body for himself but conviniently becomes a lot weaker and conviniently loses his powers like teleporation etc to become easy pickings for the likes of Guile/Chunli (two most probable winners of SF2).

SF3
gill loses to Alex on purpose.

i think its pretty much as bad as SNK.

Where was this said, because it seems he's hella stronger in blood riot mode. He choked the hell out of orochi and somehow is tired from fighting Shingo and kyo. There is no evidence at all indicating he fought magaki and shion.

So, by your logic, Terry> orochi. I'm starting to see brainchilds point, terry is strong. But, damn you guy's are putting him way to high.
This version of Orochi is not even as powerful as regular Iori, how can you say Terry won't own him outright? And if he's that much weaker than regular Iori, and he still schools Kyo&shingo, that proves Kyo is a jobber.

I don't think boss fights help give recognition of strentgh, instead it seems more catered to recognition of status.

Let's look at Kyo's bosses in order. 1. Rugal KOF94'. Team battle and I think Rugal was taken off-guard, much like Geese in Fatal Fury1. 2. Omega Rugal KOF95' PIS&plot device. Pure and simple. 3. Goenitz KOF96' Defeated by team japan, and the shingi trioca. 4. Orochi KOF97'. Plot device, does not count in terms of strength appraisal. Skip ahead past the NESTS saga....... 5. Mukai. Beaten, but not really. He got right back up and left. 6. Magaki. Can't judge how powerful he was. He did get back up like Mukai, but then he got stabbed in the heart by Shion.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22

you are taking his logic the wrong (as always j/k). he never said Terry>orochi.
Ash beating orochi iori and his later comment that orochi iori was weakened does shed light on the fact that Terry anD Iori is a good fight.
if weakened Iori and Terry fought to stalemate/TO and Terry and Ash apparently fought as well (with Terry still not being beaten) and then Ash beating O.Iori kinda implies that terry would beat O.Iori.

continued ---Terry. Terry seems to have a chance against Kyo. They seem to be nearly equal. Iori >>Kyo. So Iori also >> Terry. When Terry can beat Kyo & Shingo @ the same time you’ll have something. Will probably NEVER HAPPEN since he can’t even beat Kyo alone. Until then, O.Iori vs Terry is a one sided savage beatdown w/Terry receiving it. Does anybody have an accurate translation about what Ash said to Iori? I have to know if he was weakened & how.

^^
like i said of all the guys you mentioned i strongly think that only Iori can defeat Terry. Your arguments are fine as always and logical too (i was actually just joking regarding emperor). lol. Even i said that since Terry most likely TO lost against Iori it probably means he'd lose if it was no holds barred so to speak. the same can't be said regarding Kyo since it was a stalemate. my own opinion is that Terry has more heart than Kyo and that is why in a fight to the finish i see Terry winning.

Why Terry has more heart is explainable with him never been beaten even by gotier characters while Kyo, even along with a team, has been defeated. Terry has always survived since childhood while Kyo is a pampered brat....in so i see Terry with more chances of outliving Kyo. mean come on:
Terry "the Lonewolf" Bogard
and on the other side you have
Kyo "The Rich man's son of flames" kusanagi.
get my meaning. Not to mention that in one-on-one KoFMI Terry actually made it to the finals and not mama's boy and Iori either. And i'm not talking about the comics. Comics, manga, anime=NOT canon.

see ya
~Sado.

That sounds exactly like the comics though. I have them & I think PG does too. If that's not from the comics where's it from?