Sabretooth vs. Deadpool

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
No. Don't presume that just because DP fights by utilizing his abilities that he's not a talented fighter. He makes use of his HF by adopting a different fighting style. And, even if it does make combat easier for him, that proves nothing. Because, as far as I can tell, in your attempt to prove that Wolvy's a better fighter, you've only proven that DP has an easier time fighting Wolvy then someone without a HF. That proves nothing, at least nothing good for your arguments.

I can't believe I'm being lectured on how a HF = no skill by a WOlVERINE fanboy. 🙄

And, I said toying, because thats how it was described, when Wolverine was beaten.

And you stillhaven't answered my initial question. You seem to believe that if DP was knowledgebly fighting with an equaly weakened healing factor that he would have made all the same moves.

My question is:

Are you really that stupid?

Oh, I'm sorry I didn't answer because thought you where asking a rhetorical question but I guess I gave you too much credit since it wasn't a rhetorical question just a stupid question.

I never said DP wasn't skilled, I said his "feat" didn't require much in terms of skill pull of and it didn't (there certainly isn't enough to gauge). You read the issue and somehow came to the conclusion that DP is some amazing fighter and tactician that someone predicted Wolverine's moves and forced Logan into doing what he wanted him to do. He didn't show and amazing bouts of skill, he took advantage of a situation that leaned heavily in his favor. Deadpool said he suckered Wolverine? Big deal, he also says he is the world's greatest lover and lord of the dance... but he isn't. There is nothing in this fight, or any other fight DP has been in that would suggest he is capable of doing anything remotely similar or that he even posses the forethought to attempt it. How little experience you must have with DP to think this way. Let me guess, you read a Wikipedia article and saw some scans in a respect thread on Deadpool and now you think you know enough to post here?

Okay lets move on.

You say I didn't prove Wolverine was better then DP? *shocked* You say all I managed to was prove that DP has an much easier time fighting against Wolverine when he doesn't have a healing factor? Guess what? Thats what I was trying to do! Do you really think that if I was trying to prove that Wolverine was a better fighter then DP this is the feat I would be analysing? I'm only talking about this specific feat because Deadpool fan's cling to it like a life preserver, trying to claim that it shows that Deadpool a better fighter then Wolverine; when all it really shows is that DP managed to land a hit on Wolverine. It proves nothing. It brings nothing to the table. It shows that Deadpool is a capable fighter (and no one said he wasn't) but that doesn't mean he is in the same ball park as Wolverine. 'Sides if Wolverine kicked me in the face like that and I was holding two katana you can bet your ass I would have done the same thing... assuming I had superhuman durability and that kick to the head didn't kill me that is.

The only fight between these two where DP didn't have prep, Wolverine had his healing factor and Deadpool wasn't extra insane handicaping himself was the 99' Annual fight. What happened in that fight? Wolverine almost knocked Deadpool of a building and Deadpool manages to kick Wolverine in the face as he flips back onto the roof. Want to know what happens then? Wolverine beats the tar out of DP. The only hit Deadpool manages to land after the fight starts in ernst only happened because Wolverine stopped fighting unaccount of their being a Werewolf behind DP and he was trying to warn 'Pool.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Oh, I'm sorry I didn't answer because thought you where asking a rhetorical question but I guess I gave you too much credit since it wasn't a rhetorical question just a stupid question.

I never said DP wasn't skilled, I said his "feat" didn't require much in terms of skill pull of and it didn't (there certainly isn't enough to gauge). You read the issue and somehow came to the conclusion that DP is some amazing fighter and tactician that someone predicted Wolverine's moves and forced Logan into doing what he wanted him to do. He didn't show and amazing bouts of skill, he took advantage of a situation that leaned heavily in his favor. Deadpool said he suckered Wolverine? Big deal, he also says he is the world's greatest lover and lord of the dance... but he isn't. There is nothing in this fight, or any other fight DP has been in that would suggest he is capable of doing anything remotely similar or that he even posses the forethought to attempt it. How little experience you must have with DP to think this way. Let me guess, you read a Wikipedia article and saw some scans in a respect thread on Deadpool and now you think you know enough to post here?

Okay lets move on.

You say I didn't prove Wolverine was better then DP? *shocked* You say all I managed to was prove that DP has an much easier time fighting against Wolverine when he doesn't have a healing factor? Guess what? Thats what I was trying to do! Do you really think that if I was trying to prove that Wolverine was a better fighter then DP this is the feat I would be analysing? I'm only talking about this specific feat because Deadpool fan's cling to it like a life preserver, trying to claim that it shows that Deadpool a better fighter then Wolverine; when all it really shows is that DP managed to land a hit on Wolverine. It proves nothing. It brings nothing to the table. It shows that Deadpool is a capable fighter (and no one said he wasn't) but that doesn't mean he is in the same ball park as Wolverine. 'Sides if Wolverine kicked me in the face like that and I was holding two katana you can bet your ass I would have done the same thing... assuming I had superhuman durability and that kick to the head didn't kill me that is.

The only fight between these two where DP didn't have prep, Wolverine had his healing factor and Deadpool wasn't extra insane handicaping himself was the 99' Annual fight. What happened in that fight? Wolverine almost knocked Deadpool of a building and Deadpool manages to kick Wolverine in the face as he flips back onto the roof. Want to know what happens then? Wolverine beats the tar out of DP. The only hit Deadpool manages to land after the fight starts in ernst only happened because Wolverine stopped fighting unaccount of their being a Werewolf behind DP and he was trying to warn 'Pool.

Well, that was weak. You spend the majority of your post failing at personal attacks, and attempt to tie in poor points. But, I'll bite.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Oh, I'm sorry I didn't answer because thought you where asking a rhetorical question but I guess I gave you too much credit since it wasn't a rhetorical question just a stupid question.

Well, it was originally intended to be rhetorical, but when you went back to points that I had already countered in my last post, that little question included, I felt you really were trying to dance around any points that you don't like, so I took the liberty of apparently doing what was needed, in that I had to basically spell it out for you.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You read the issue and somehow came to the conclusion that DP is some amazing fighter and tactician that someone predicted Wolverine's moves and forced Logan into doing what he wanted him to do. He didn't show and amazing bouts of skill, he took advantage of a situation that leaned heavily in his favor. Deadpool said he suckered Wolverine? Big deal, he also says he is the world's greatest lover and lord of the dance... but he isn't.

🤨

Well, this is low. Now apparently you're calling DP a liar, and insinuating, that, when he said himself how easily he lured Wolverine into a trap, he was really just him 'taking advantage of a situation.'
There is a difference between a clear joke about being the lord of the dance and suckering Wolverine. Just because your favourite character got beat and your probably cried yourself to sleep, you don't need to come on the forums grasping for weak arguments. DP suckered Wolverine. Get over it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is nothing in this fight, or any other fight DP has been in that would suggest he is capable of doing anything remotely similar or that he even posses the forethought to attempt it. How little experience you must have with DP to think this way. Let me guess, you read a Wikipedia article and saw some scans in a respect thread on Deadpool and now you think you know enough to post here?

Well, I could say the same thing about Wolverine demonstrating no skill beyond what's required to sniff the air and say 'bub'. Whether you like it or not, DP demonstrated skill enough to take down your favourite character. If you want to have a tantrum about it, please dont take it to the forums. And don't insult my knowledge about DP, because you have no other feasible argument to counter the evidence that proves you wrong.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You say I didn't prove Wolverine was better then DP? *shocked* You say all I managed to was prove that DP has an much easier time fighting against Wolverine when he doesn't have a healing factor? Guess what? Thats what I was trying to do! Do you really think that if I was trying to prove that Wolverine was a better fighter then DP this is the feat I would be analysing? I'm only talking about this specific feat because Deadpool fan's cling to it like a life preserver, trying to claim that it shows that Deadpool a better fighter then Wolverine; when all it really shows is that DP managed to land a hit on Wolverine.

No. Thats not what I said. Now you're simply proving that you're either a dumbass or purposley twisting my words; I never posted that you 'managed to was prove that DP has an much easier time fighting against Wolverine when he doesn't have a healing factor'. If you took the time to read my post, you would clearly see that what I posted is that you proved that DP has an easier time fighting Wolverine. Period. As in, an easier time then the average brawler. Which, FYI, isnet helpful to you. Dont twist this to a situation that doesnt help your case. And it shows that DP was cunning, smart and skilled enough to toy with Wolvie and put him in a trap. And the only
life preserver' in this situation is the excuse that Wolvy didnt have a healing factor, when Wolverine fans like to ignore that the real point to the whole fight is how DP tricked him rather easily.

Wolverine managed to hit DP a couple of times because DP didnt bother to dodge.
DP managed to carve out Wolvy and toy with him when he was trying to dodge.

See the difference?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only fight between these two where DP didn't have prep, Wolverine had his healing factor and Deadpool wasn't extra insane handicaping himself was the 99' Annual fight. What happened in that fight? Wolverine almost knocked Deadpool of a building and Deadpool manages to kick Wolverine in the face as he flips back onto the roof. Want to know what happens then? Wolverine beats the tar out of DP. The only hit Deadpool manages to land after the fight starts in ernst only happened because Wolverine stopped fighting unaccount of their being a Werewolf behind DP and he was trying to warn 'Pool.

Due to your demonstration of bias and word-twisting throughout this debate, why dont you post scans rather then describe to everybody your version of what happened?

Would that deathgrip to the wikipedia quote be the same one stating hes an excellent marksman from marvel itself? If he lost his AIM and then regained it, then it stands on the same ground as Wolverines healing, hes lost it and regained it, doesnt mean it still isnt accounted for.

So what you're saying is the only fight that we should account is the 99 annual, where you add Wolverines healing and take away DP's insanity, which is in great part to his fighting style, that all of a sudden becomes a fair bout, yet complain because DP easily shanks Wolverine when his healing isnt 100%. Guess we could say Wolverine took an advantage of a situation that leaned heavily in his favor then huh?

We can argue this point back and forth all day, and you can insult peoples of knowledge of DP all you want, still doesnt change the fact he beat Wolvering by toying with him.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Would that deathgrip to the wikipedia quote be the same one stating hes an excellent marksman from marvel itself? If he lost his AIM and then regained it, then it stands on the same ground as Wolverines healing, hes lost it and regained it, doesnt mean it still isnt accounted for.

So what you're saying is the only fight that we should account is the 99 annual, where you add Wolverines healing and take away DP's insanity, which is in great part to his fighting style, that all of a sudden becomes a fair bout, yet complain because DP easily shanks Wolverine when his healing isnt 100%. Guess we could say Wolverine took an advantage of a situation that leaned heavily in his favor then huh?

We can argue this point back and forth all day, and you can insult peoples of knowledge of DP all you want, still doesnt change the fact he beat Wolvering by toying with him.

😉 Dead on.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

The only fight between these two where DP didn't have prep, Wolverine had his healing factor and Deadpool wasn't extra insane handicaping himself was the 99' Annual fight. What happened in that fight? Wolverine almost knocked Deadpool of a building and Deadpool manages to kick Wolverine in the face as he flips back onto the roof. Want to know what happens then? Wolverine beats the tar out of DP. The only hit Deadpool manages to land after the fight starts in ernst only happened because Wolverine stopped fighting unaccount of their being a Werewolf behind DP and he was trying to warn 'Pool.

if im not mistaken, that is actually somewhat incorrect

After being impaled to the wall by deadpool, wolverine THEN tried to warn deadpool that thier was a wearwolf behind him

if im not mistaken

ide have to look at that comic again, but thiers a little more to it than that
(not to discredit wolverine, though)

bump

oky this is ridiculous... NEVER have any of you EVER seen deadpool show superior skill to wolverine in fights...... NEVER....

you may have seen deadpool walk away the victor on a couple of occasions, through the use of taking advantage of circumstances that helped to set up a win for him but you've never seen him straight up outskill wolverine PERIOD.

what do we see in wolverine 88?
It certainly wasn't an outmatched wolverine by any means..
we see wolverine EASILY dodging gunfire from deadpool and his "incredible aim" "rolleyes", and quickly closing the gap GUTTING deadpool (supposedly jabbing his claws into DP's lungs) causing deadpool to drop his rifle... that right there would end the fight if DP didn't have a working healing factor? but guess what he does.
Next: wolverine SLAPS DP in the head! he slaps him! why? I have no Ifukkindea but apparently wolverine didn't want to punch holes through DP's brain even though he thought punching holes in his lungs was okay... 😕

In any case that's two unanswered hits for wolverine nadda for pool, and if wolverine decided to punch on that second hit instead of SLAP, deadpool would have hit the floor regaurdless of healing factor....

NEXT: we see wolverine cutting into dp's torso... AGAIN! and at this point Dp begins to brag about his own healing factor... and how his is working and wolverine's ain't.

NEXT: it's at THIS point that deadpool "suckers" logan, like srank said, by virtue of HF and superhuman durability DP is able to take the kick without being knocked unconcious or being beheaded. THEN he stabs logan....
funny thing about this is the fact that logan is shown leaping claws first at DP and then decides AGAIN that the claws aren't the way to go, so he instead opts for the boot to the face tactic.

Basically what we see here is wolverine flat out beating DP to the punch, THEN being VERY VERY charitible to Deadpool for NO apparent reason, and finally a BIG differance in healing factors and what they can take (deadpool's fine after being gutted and eviscerated 3 times; wolverine's having problems healing a bloody nose.... let me say that again... he couldn't even heal a BLODDY FRIGGIN NOSE!).
After that it's a simple matter of deadpool taking advantage of his opponents disadvantage.. big deal, that doesn't make him a better fighter... at all... the fact that he was forced into tricking logan just to put him down should tell you something, the fact that he had to do this against a logan who couldn't rely on a healing factor should tell you more.... JEESH...

I'll get back to this later but I got class right now.

Wow, it seems to be that no one takes into account the way DP normally fights, putting himself in harms way with his ADD banter is what he does. He toyed with wolverine, taking slashes because he knows he can. Wolverine didnt have his healing, uh oh, because we all know with his healing he can beat skyfathers...

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Wow, it seems to be that no one takes into account the way DP normally fights, putting himself in harms way with his ADD banter is what he does. He toyed with wolverine, taking slashes because he knows he can. Wolverine didnt have his healing, uh oh, because we all know with his healing he can beat skyfathers...

The Wolverine fanboys use that argument, and then the reverse when Wolverine doesn't have his HF... but can't understand that the same concept applies to DP 😬

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Wow, it seems to be that no one takes into account the way DP normally fights, putting himself in harms way with his ADD banter is what he does. He toyed with wolverine, taking slashes because he knows he can. Wolverine didnt have his healing, uh oh, because we all know with his healing he can beat skyfathers...

You really aren't getting this. Jinzin wasn't saying that Wolverine proved superior to Deadpool in that fight, but that Deadpool in no way proved himself superior to Wolverine. Period. If you want to convince someone that Deadpool's more skilled than Wolverine, that fight does not help your case.

Not only does the same apply for DP, his healing is stronger than Wolverine's, partially mentially driven, and as far as I know, he is still immortal.

I wasn't bringing up the fact of either being superior, simply that DP beat Wolverine by toying with him. Let me guess though, Wolverine losing the fight puts him over DP though right?

Originally posted by Ize19
You really aren't getting this. Jinzin wasn't saying that Wolverine proved superior to Deadpool in that fight, but that Deadpool in no way proved himself superior to Wolverine. Period. If you want to convince someone that Deadpool's more skilled than Wolverine, that fight does not help your case.

Well, I've proven how it doesn't help their case either, but they don't seem to get that.

DP doesn't dodge, because it's imbedded within his fighting style not to dodge because he doesnt need to, and it makes it easier to exploint his opponents' weaknesses.

That's why he basically laughs in Wolverine's face, saying his hits are useless because his healing factor still works. Because he simply doesnt care enough to dodge.

Thusly, that proves nothing about Wolverine's skill. He didn't logically prove himself superior to DP in any way. DP, however, proves to be a superior battle tactician. But, the Wolverine fanboys (which I really hope your not) can't accept that, and write it off as being a fluke on DP's part, and he simply lied about blatantly tricking Wolverine. Which is a very weak argument, fueled only by their desire to find an excuse for their mascot losing. 😬

Though it was mentioned, let me reiterate in asking:

Why is it always the excuse that Wolverine taking hits he knows he can survive is actually a SMART tactic, and exemplifies his skill, rather than insults it, but when Deadpool does similar, all the sudden he's some punk on the street?

If deadpool didn't have a working healing factor, he'd fight a lot smarter - he IS a top-notch fighter, after all (when he's serious, anyways). But he HAS a healing factor - a DAMNED good one, too. He can afford to allow Wolverine to score as many hits as Wolverine really pleases.

😬.

What of the Shoryuken fight? I know no one brings it up as often, as there was no clear winner, but it was a damned good example of Deadpool's skill - AND there was no plot device as far as Wolverine lacking a healing factor or Deadpool having tranq darts.

Originally posted by Soljer
Though it was mentioned, let me reiterate in asking:

Why is it always the excuse that Wolverine taking hits he knows he can survive is actually a SMART tactic, and exemplifies his skill, rather than insults it, but when Deadpool does similar, all the sudden he's some punk on the street?

If deadpool didn't have a working healing factor, he'd fight a lot smarter - he IS a top-notch fighter, after all (when he's serious, anyways). But he HAS a healing factor - a DAMNED good one, too. He can afford to allow Wolverine to score as many hits as Wolverine really pleases.

😬.

What of the Shoryuken fight? I know no one brings it up as often, as there was no clear winner, but it was a damned good example of Deadpool's skill - AND there was no plot device as far as Wolverine lacking a healing factor or Deadpool having tranq darts.

😱 Somebody on this thread who's not a fanboy!

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Well, I've proven how it doesn't help their case either, but they don't seem to get that.

DP doesn't dodge, because it's imbedded within his fighting style not to dodge because he doesnt need to, and it makes it easier to exploint his opponents' weaknesses.

That's why he basically laughs in Wolverine's face, saying his hits are useless because his healing factor still works. Because he simply doesnt care enough to dodge.

Thusly, that proves nothing about Wolverine's skill. He didn't logically prove himself superior to DP in any way. DP, however, proves to be a superior battle tactician. But, the Wolverine fanboys (which I really hope your not) can't accept that, and write it off as being a fluke on DP's part, and he simply lied about blatantly tricking Wolverine. Which is a very weak argument, fueled only by their desire to find an excuse for their mascot losing. 😬

Ok, you seem to be missing something here, so let me try to explain. We Wolverine fans ARE NOT trying to use this fight as evidence of Wolverine's superiority, instead, we're saying this fight has to be discounted due to it's circumstances.
And no, he doesn't prove to be tactically superior, just because he managed to take advantage of a weakened Wolverine who was in the air. That's like saying that, if Wolverine were to take on Captain America for instance, and Captain America was dominating the entire fight, without it having any affect on Wolverine, then, in the end, due to one nice maneuver on Wolverine's part, he wins the fight.
Just because Wolverine won the fight, he doesn't prove that he's more skilled than Captain America. Also, just because Cap scored more hits than Wolverine, it doesn't prove that he has an edge in skill either, due to that simply being a part of Wolverine's fighting style.

Originally posted by Ize19
Ok, you seem to be missing something here, so let me try to explain. We Wolverine fans ARE NOT trying to use this fight as evidence of Wolverine's superiority, instead, we're saying this fight has to be discounted due to it's circumstances.
And no, he doesn't prove to be tactically superior, just because he managed to take advantage of a weakened Wolverine who was in the air. That's like saying that, if Wolverine were to take on Captain America for instance, and Captain America was dominating the entire fight, without it having any affect on Wolverine, then, in the end, due to one nice maneuver on Wolverine's part, he wins the fight.
Just because Wolverine won the fight, he doesn't prove that he's more skilled than Captain America. Also, just because Cap scored more hits than Wolverine, it doesn't prove that he has an edge in skill either, due to that simply being a part of Wolverine's fighting style.

1. You first tell me that that fight proves Wolverine is superior to DP, then tell me youre not trying to use it as evidence that Wolverine is superior to DP, THEN tell me I can't make assumptions that DP is better then Wolverine off of one fight?

That's an AWFUL LOT of hypocrisy right there. 😬

2. Further more, he didn't 'take advantage of a Wolverine that was in mid air'. That makes it sound like he suckerpunched him. He directly lured Wolverine into making an attack, then turned his attack against him.

Originally posted by jinzin
when deadpool beat sabretooth he pulled of an upset victory and he knew it... I don't think he's going to have that same amount of luck to get the majority here... cable's put him in his place in hand to hand, wolverine's put up several good showings against him, sabretooth would put a hurting on him for the majority here.

Two or three times doesn't make it several.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
1. You first tell me that that fight proves Wolverine is superior to DP, then tell me youre not trying to use it as evidence that Wolverine is superior to DP, THEN tell me I can't make assumptions that DP is better then Wolverine off of one fight?

That's an AWFUL LOT of hypocrisy right there. 😬

2. Further more, he didn't 'take advantage of a Wolverine that was in mid air'. That makes it sound like he suckerpunched him. He directly lured Wolverine into making an attack, then turned his attack against him.

You really aren't getting this. Jinzin wasn't saying that Wolverine proved superior to Deadpool in that fight , but that Deadpool in no way proved himself superior to Wolverine. Period. If you want to convince someone that Deadpool's more skilled than Wolverine, that fight does not help your case

^See that? My first post in this thread. Note the bolded part: I NEVER stated that Wolverine was superior to Deadpool because of that fight. Nor do I say that you can't make assumptions based off of one fight. I explicitly said that we WERE'NT stating that Wolverine was superior in that fight, and that the reason you couldn't base anything off of that fight was because of it's circumstances.
As for making it sound like a suckerpunch, sorry about that. What I was saying was that he made one good move, one which Wolverine was incapable of dodging just then, due to DP's ONE GOOD MOVE, and thus he managed a win. Which is exactly what my previous post was talking about.

Originally posted by jinzin

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we see wolverine EASILY dodging gunfire from deadpool

... that right there would end the fight if DP didn't have a working healing factor? but guess what he does.

... but apparently wolverine didn't want to punch holes through DP's brain even though he thought punching holes in his lungs was okay...

...In any case that's two unanswered hits for wolverine nadda for pool

... if wolverine decided to punch on that second hit instead of SLAP, deadpool would have hit the floor regaurdless of healing factor....

... we see wolverine cutting into dp's torso... AGAIN!

... wolverine flat out beating DP to the punch

... THEN being VERY VERY charitible to Deadpool for NO apparent reason

... he was forced into tricking logan just to put him down

😬

You're right, you guys wern't at all attempting to portray Wolverine as better

And just for the record, in one of those fights, Deadpool wanted to die. Remember? He was with Dr. Bong? Well, it's this one:

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool27191zs.jpg

Here's another scan of DP:
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine154page088hs.jpg