Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
😬You're right, you guys wern't at all attempting to portray Wolverine as better
That was just him disputing the claim that Deadpool had demonstrated superior skill to Wolverine in that fight. That WASN'T the case. If this was Wolverine and Captain America, and we tried to use my scenario from a couple of posts ago, you guys would be all over it. Doing what we're doing now. Now who's the one being hypocritical?
Originally posted by Ize19
That was just him disputing the claim that Deadpool had demonstrated superior skill to Wolverine in that fight. That WASN'T the case. If this was Wolverine and Captain America, and we tried to use my scenario from a couple of posts ago, you guys would be all over it. Doing what we're doing now. Now who's the one being hypocritical?
I'm not being hypocritical.
I havent claimed to be doing one thing and not another, when it is clearly the opposite.
And I don't think you're in a place to be commenting on what Jinzin's intentions were.
Are you basing this supposed hypocrisy off of how you apparently think I would have reacted to whatever scenerio it was?
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I'm not being hypocritical.I havent claimed to be doing one thing and not another, when it is clearly the opposite.
And I don't think you're in a place to be commenting on what Jinzin's intentions were.
Are you basing this supposed hypocrisy off of how you apparently think I would have reacted to whatever scenerio it was?
The reason I'm commenting on Jinzin's intentions is because of the context of this thread. I've seen this many times before, and S-Rank outright stated that this is not the fight we would use as evidence of Wolverine's superiority, so I don't believe my comments to be unfounded.
As for your supposed hypocrisy, you're right. Sorry, it's just that I see this double standard for Wolverine so often, that I've started to see it where it doesn't exist. I had no right to call you a hypocrite, although, considering how you completely avoided my point with the Wolverine-Cap analogy, it makes me wonder why you haven't yet responded.
Originally posted by Ize19
You really aren't getting this. Jinzin wasn't saying that Wolverine proved superior to Deadpool in that fight, but that Deadpool in no way proved himself superior to Wolverine. Period. If you want to convince someone that Deadpool's more skilled than Wolverine, that fight does not help your case.
Originally posted by SoljerI don't know about others, but personally to me that strategy is an insult to wolverine's skill.. he doesn't have to take bullets if he doesn't want to.. (look at origins, not one person as landed a bullet shot on the guy yet) but most of the time he doesn't care, I think this is partially to do with wolverine's berserker mentallity and partially to do with effeciency induced lazyness... am I even making sense here?
Though it was mentioned, let me reiterate in asking:Why is it always the excuse that Wolverine taking hits he knows he can survive is actually a SMART tactic, and exemplifies his skill, rather than insults it, but when Deadpool does similar, all the sudden he's some punk on the street?
Originally posted by Soljertrue enough.
f deadpool didn't have a working healing factor, he'd fight a lot smarter - he IS a top-notch fighter, after all (when he's serious, anyways). But he HAS a healing factor - a DAMNED good one, too. He can afford to allow Wolverine to score as many hits as Wolverine really pleases.😬.
Originally posted by SoljerI personally don't think it's a good example of a true fight between the two considering that deadpool was literally asking wolverine to gut him... it only really illustrated what you stated about his HF above, and not too entirely much on his skill IMO
What of the Shoryuken fight? I know no one brings it up as often, as there was no clear winner, but it was a damned good example of Deadpool's skill - AND there was no plot device as far as Wolverine lacking a healing factor or Deadpool having tranq darts.
Originally posted by Ize19
And no, he doesn't prove to be tactically superior, just because he managed to take advantage of a weakened Wolverine who was in the air. That's like saying that, if Wolverine were to take on Captain America for instance, and Captain America was dominating the entire fight, without it having any affect on Wolverine, then, in the end, due to one nice maneuver on Wolverine's part, he wins the fight.
Just because Wolverine won the fight, he doesn't prove that he's more skilled than Captain America. Also, just because Cap scored more hits than Wolverine, it doesn't prove that he has an edge in skill either, due to that simply being a part of Wolverine's fighting style.
The problem with this analogy is that your use of this as a response makes it seem like you think that I think that DP pulled a nice manuever, which therefore means that he is tactfully superior, which THEREFORE means that he won.
What I am saying is close to that except for the last part.
If Wolverine was fighting Captain America, and Cap appears to have the edge for most of the battle (though his blows are useless as they arn't doing any damage), and, at the end, Wolvy lured Cap into a trap, and gutted him, and Cap hadn't shown any sort of manuevers that battle, I would say Wolvy had demonstrated superior tactics. Would that mean he won? No, not neccessarily. But, in terms of this fight, I have only defended DP- I havent been one that said that 'OMG he pwned Wolvereen!!1!1!!111!!'.
Originally posted by Blind
And just for the record, in one of those fights, Deadpool wanted to die. Remember? He was with Dr. Bong? Well, it's this one:http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool27191zs.jpg
Here's another scan of DP:
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine154page088hs.jpg
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
The problem with this analogy is that your use of this as a response makes it seem like you think that I think that DP pulled a nice manuever, which therefore means that he is tactfully superior, which THEREFORE means that he won.What I am saying is close to that except for the last part.
If Wolverine was fighting Captain America, and Cap appears to have the edge for most of the battle (though his blows are useless as they arn't doing any damage), and, at the end, Wolvy lured Cap into a trap, and gutted him, and Cap hadn't shown any sort of manuevers that battle, I would say Wolvy had demonstrated superior tactics. Would that mean he won? No, not neccessarily. But, in terms of this fight, I have only defended DP- I havent been one that said that 'OMG he pwned Wolvereen!!1!1!!111!!'.
So what you're saying is, in that particular fight, Deadpool had the tactical edge? And if that's the case, do you see this fight as being evidence of Deadpool's superiority in fighting ability?
Originally posted by jinzin
oky this is ridiculous... NEVER have any of you EVER seen deadpool show superior skill to wolverine in fights...... NEVER....you may have seen deadpool walk away the victor on a couple of occasions, through the use of taking advantage of circumstances that helped to set up a win for him but you've never seen him straight up outskill wolverine PERIOD.
what do we see in wolverine 88?
It certainly wasn't an outmatched wolverine by any means..
we see wolverine EASILY dodging gunfire from deadpool and his "incredible aim" "rolleyes", and quickly closing the gap GUTTING deadpool (supposedly jabbing his claws into DP's lungs) causing deadpool to drop his rifle... that right there would end the fight if DP didn't have a working healing factor? but guess what he does.
Next: wolverine SLAPS DP in the head! he slaps him! why? I have no Ifukkindea but apparently wolverine didn't want to punch holes through DP's brain even though he thought punching holes in his lungs was okay... 😕In any case that's two unanswered hits for wolverine nadda for pool, and if wolverine decided to punch on that second hit instead of SLAP, deadpool would have hit the floor regaurdless of healing factor....
NEXT: we see wolverine cutting into dp's torso... AGAIN! and at this point Dp begins to brag about his own healing factor... and how his is working and wolverine's ain't.
NEXT: it's at THIS point that deadpool "suckers" logan, like srank said, by virtue of HF and superhuman durability DP is able to take the kick without being knocked unconcious or being beheaded. THEN he stabs logan....
funny thing about this is the fact that logan is shown leaping claws first at DP and then decides AGAIN that the claws aren't the way to go, so he instead opts for the boot to the face tactic.Basically what we see here is wolverine flat out beating DP to the punch, THEN being VERY VERY charitible to Deadpool for NO apparent reason, and finally a BIG differance in healing factors and what they can take (deadpool's fine after being gutted and eviscerated 3 times; wolverine's having problems healing a bloody nose.... let me say that again... he couldn't even heal a BLODDY FRIGGIN NOSE!).
After that it's a simple matter of deadpool taking advantage of his opponents disadvantage.. big deal, that doesn't make him a better fighter... at all... the fact that he was forced into tricking logan just to put him down should tell you something, the fact that he had to do this against a logan who couldn't rely on a healing factor should tell you more.... JEESH...I'll get back to this later but I got class right now.
This is what I have been saying... right?
