You know, not all these comments are anti-Sparribeth...
TnT do spend a fair amount of time discussing how J/E feel about each other, and how hard they are trying to NOT feel that way for each other.
I see no definitive, "J/E is never going to happen" comment on here, so I wouldn't just give up or get pissed right now...
Of course, if any of you want to start sailing on the good ship Norribeth, we are currently accepting new passengers. 😄
Originally posted by LovelyOne
they ****ed up with what ever the hell they were trying to domy film studies teacher who is 30 odd too..who teaches teens about pretty much any film imaginable also thinks its pointng J/E and that they are meant to be together..
He's been made a fool of too. as have the rest of my class..
If I tell him what T&T are saying he will probably laugh his head off and think I'm joking
How can 2 professionals be wrong too? What the hell is TnT playing at?
Originally posted by Surreal_44
You know, not all these comments are anti-Sparribeth...TnT do spend a fair amount of time discussing how J/E feel about each other, and how hard they are trying to NOT feel that way for each other.
I see no definitive, "J/E is never going to happen" comment on here, so I wouldn't just give up or get pissed right now...
Of course, if any of you want to start sailing on the good ship Norribeth, we are currently accepting new passengers. 😄
heheh if things dont work out for JE i will gor for Norribeth withouth a doubt! but im still tryin to root for JE!
I'm not surprised I've been thinking it for a while..and yes I think there are a few tricks up their sleeves..they said the ending of the trilogy is unexpected but only when you see it..after the "shock" has been absorbed the audience will be thinking it should have been no other way...
they say we are going to see our hero win at the end, but its just HOW he wins that is the most important thing..and They also say their hero smiles in all 3 acts of a movie..which means they feel the hero is 100% Jack in the story...even if Will is brought to the forefront in AWE..Its all going to boil back to Jack it seems..
and the ending is a "who,what,why,where,how, when??" "whodunit??" kinda deal apparently
and IMO..Even if this is a way for W/E to get together..they never would have even made it seem as if something might develop between J/E..most relationships start out on physical attraction first no?..
In most romances in stories..they usually start out wanting each other but not wanting to want each other.
and for the remainder of the story they will be pursuing/sparring with eachother..and they usually do end up with that person..
no idea...
its weird to me how they openly discuss where W/E seem to be heading but Jack's path in this movie and the next is being handled with care. They are not talking about much when it comes to Jack
They said if DMC was the last in the series they would be happy with it going out like this because they made some basic statements when it came to all the characters before it closed
although Liz appears to be very Will focused..there is an attraction to Jack.
Will make a promise to rescue his dad and he appears to be his No1 priority.
Jack decidds to make Elizabeth an obligation and dies knowing he wants her in his life.
Elizabeth makes a bold statement that she belongs to Will by what she does to Jack (although we see even here that she wants Jack very badly)
before the movie closes there seems to be another emotional choice made with Elizabeth..Its her final choice..something deep is going on with Liz in that scene and they just wont discuss it in detail for some reason...but she seems to be wanting Jack back more than anything..it looks as if she loves him. (this was before I was even a shipper I thought this)
Will spots this and seems to want her to follow her heart which is bringing Jack back, because he's now really tied to his father She wants to bring Jack..the good man back that she killed. link that back to the curiosity scene and IMO the fact she wants Jack to be a good man is totally inconsistent with the theme of lust..if she's bothered about having a physical attraction to Jack then why on earth is she talking about what she wants from Jack in terms of his mind and soul?..If it was a mere physical thing then she would surely just be going on about his physical appearance.
is the good man in him possibly the one thing she would ever love about Jack?
everyone is talking about Jack the good man being dead from the world..and its less bright...
I know it sucks lol..I just know I'm going to be sitting there in AWE and if its all W/E I'll just be thinking "oh god what COULD have been"..
I'm sick of them screwing with our minds too..
you know what..no matter how well written AWE is.. and if it explains away why J/E can never ever, ever be an item..I dont think J/E shippers and general lovers of that relationship will ever accept her choosing the whelp over Captain Jack Sparrow
thats even gonna piss off the people who love Jack the very most and are not bothered about will and Elizabeth. Lots of people dont like Will all that much...critics included.its also gonna feel weird to the general public who seem to think that is the way the franchise is heading..
oh and I forgot to say..interesting how the start and end are tied in in a weird way as I have mentioned before and Gibbs says the world seems less bright without Jack in it...could this mean Liz's world is less bright without Jack , the good man in it?
it opens and her wedding looks bloody horrible, dark and miserable..and she looks as if she is mourning someone at a grave..then we are introduced to Jack in a coffin..She also appears to be mourning at the end at the death of Jack
we have that line " a lady widowed before marriage, searching for her husband lost at sea"
you cant be a widow unless you were already married to someone else and they are gone/dead from your life and you are then going to be re-married to someone else
Jack is dead and lost at sea..Liz goes in search of him..
sure as hell aint the whelp..
Also...its interesting what they say about the chains being at the start of movie 1 and at the end of DMC...
when they first met Jack frees Elizabeth as a person/ makes an obligation to her and in doing so he gets chained up and restricted ..this happens again in DMC..as if it symbolizes a commitment to her..???
I'm sure its significant to something but I'm too tired to think properly
hang on
"I just want to point out another thing that I really like, its just, the chain, the first time they met it was about him being shackled, and using her to escape from that, from here, the end comes back again. "
he wants Elizabeth as an escape from what exactly?? He's chained to his pearl??
oh man I'm fooking confused
oh **** I think I know...and it doesnt bode well for J/E 🙁
he gets shakled both times because of his honest side and he uses Elizabeth as a way to break free from that possibly...which would explain why he is so cold hearted when we first meet him in that draft script
Well I'm depressed..I'm going to bed 🙁 🙁 🙁
Re: The DVD commentary - The genunie one!!
IMO this DVD commentary is full of contradictions, I believe that TnT are doing what they do best, F@#@k with our minds. I don't think this commentary should be taken completely serious. Its not worth getting stressed out. I'm going to post about some quotes that I found really interesting yet contradicting.
As Lizzie hits Norrington over the head:A little bit of foreshadowing when you think about it, what is Elizabeth willing to do to save somebody’s life, how does Elizabeth get out of situations where they’re both in danger? And that ability to turn on one of your own .
I don't remember Liz hitting Norington over the head, I though Jack hit him. Anyways that part was for shadowing Liz turning on against Jack.
Persuade me:Ah! Yet another compass insert. My feeling was that the compass should shift over to Jack, or in the direction of jack I should say briefly, then shift back & maybe it is shifting back when she looks down there. I think she’s very upset about what she just saw. I do think it should shift over, just made it a brief shift then it shift back, but again its, well I guess it was some of the Disney publicity that stuff that says it points to your hearts desire – we said no, its what you want and that’s when lust happened, I think her wants could waver in that moment.
Wasn't the compass pointing at Jack after the persuade me scene? I thought it was pointing to Jack the wholes time, that was why Liz got a little upset. I am not getting it.
The bit on the stairs & Curiosity:She [Elizabeth] is in fact troubled Yeah that marriage is coming back. One of the cut lines at that point, was that Jack said: “I love marriage, its like a wager to see who will fall out of love first” And then followed up with a proposal of a sorts, but I don’t think jack is proposing actual marriage, actually something quite different. So, Elizabeth is a little bothered by the fact that there’s at least some sort of physical attraction to Jack, even though she loves Will. And now Jack is just being kind; he’s just, basically making her feel bad…
This is what I don't understand, they are contradicting themselves, "the I love marriage" is like a wager to see who falls out of love first? they aren't supposed to be in love at this point or are they??? Its supposed to be lust, or is it not?
he’s justifying the issue of the compass lets say he finds himself - how can be possibly be attracted to Elizabeth uh, she’s not his type so to speak, but here he’s fishing and making the claim that deep down she is his type else why he’d be attracted to her. Justification. And then she turns it around and is like, well okay if you’re going to be playing these games, I’m gonna play them back and then it becomes a little bit too much for both of them. She’s justifying her interests in him and theres a..a great momnt of challenge here where she sets it up so Jack can’t win, she sets it up so the only way that you can prove the only way you can gain the rewards of someone like her is to not compromise someone like her and therefore Jack can never have what he wants. But the fun is, is that they’re both playing at who’s gonna break first? They’re basically saying they want the other one but they don’t want the other one, so they’re challenging each other saying: “This is why, this is the only possibility I would ever want you” Right its turns: I want you on my terms not your terms….yeah but I want you on me terms not your turns – so who’s terms are gonna be met? So how do you think she would have responded to a kiss right then ? I don’t think she would have allowed it to happen to tell you the truth. She wanted to push him as far as he could be pushed, and if he had tried she would have said “see….” But I think a part of her would have liked to have been kissed, but….at that point I think she would have held out.
No, I don’t think she would have kissed him at all
I pretty much understood this whole part, Interesting notice, how TnT are only giving their opinions. See how they mention the word "I think" a few times.
The kiss:The erm, the kiss, the novelist had a great description of that that she wrote to us, it was: the kiss of death scene she [Elizabeth] gets to both slake her lust and literally drown her guilt for feeling lust for somebody other than Will[B]. Would she have been to sever on Jack, if she had not been so tempted by him? When he’s dead, he’s no longer a temptation. She had to admit that she does feel something, that she does have this desire as well. But then she holds back.
If Liz hadn't been that tempted by Jack, I doubted that she would have gone to this extremes. Therefore they are letting us know that the reason she did this to Jack was because she was feeling something strong towards him.
Something that doesn’t get debated on the betrayal to Will, so to speak, is that how much did Elizabeth way the fact the only way she could save Will, was to kiss Jack. I think that was everything about it, yeah, of course she wants to save every body , well – all the people she can, but, out of all of them, that kiss may have been done out of a desire to save him more than anybody. Well, like Louisa said, slake her lust, drown her guilt and save the man she loves.
Save Will from what? from the kraken? I really doubt it. What I understood was that Liz was trying to save him from betrayal, I don't think Liz would have trusted herself to be faithful to Will with Jack around. So IMO Liz was trying to save Will from a deception.
At Tia Dalma’s cave:Now, at this point Elizabeth does raise her glass…yeah she does raise her glass but she cannot drink
Ok let me finish the sentence...but she cannot drink because she realized she might kill a man that she may indeed love.