The DVD commentary - The genunie one!!

i think i'm going to puke over AWE.....sorry I'm so dramatic....sorry for being depressed...it's just that I have alot of really sad things going on in my real life..and the J/E relationship was the bright spot...crazy, I know to look to a movie and fictional characters for happiness..but that's how this is for me..that's why I got obessed with this...tyring not to think about reality....oh well....now even my fantasy world is in upheaval...and it's not t and t's fault...it's mine, I guess...for falling in love with the characters of jack and liz....and them as a you and I, I -you, us.....

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
i think i'm going to puke over AWE.....sorry I'm so dramatic....sorry for being depressed...it's just that I have alot of really sad things going on in my real life..and the J/E relationship was the bright spot...crazy, I know to look to a movie and fictional characters for happiness..but that's how this is for me..that's why I got obessed with this...tyring not to think about reality....oh well....now even my fantasy world is in upheaval...and it's not t and t's fault...it's mine, I guess...for falling in love with the characters of jack and liz....and them as a you and I, I -you, us.....

Hun I totally understand what you are saying, we sometimes tend to rely on this kind of things, is like an scape from the the real world, I understand you because sometimes I feel the same way. The time that I spend here in the forum talking about the movie and its characters makes me forget for a while about the problems I face daily. I mean coming here and talking to people that share the same passion makes me forget for a while about this obstacles that I encounter daily. But the funny thing is that those small problems wont last forever. Come on, guys this world would be a boring place without conflicts. Things happened for a reason, and that is why that neither one of you should give up. It upsets me to see that passionate people as you guys have given up so easily. Hope is the last thing one looses. There is no concrete evidence of what really is going to happen at the end of AWE. There is still a long way to go, five months is a long time. So please guys don't throw all your good theories over board. Keep the faith like Mina says. You know lovethemtigers, Its amazing to see people that you don't really know think the same way.

i really wnat to keep faith ad i belive there is still a bit of faith in all of us but i just feel like my entire life from thwe time i first saw the movie till now has been a lie!

But I bet you still have a bit of hope. Thats all that matters.

Originally posted by CaptinJackLover
i really wnat to keep faith ad i belive there is still a bit of faith in all of us but i just feel like my entire life from thwe time i first saw the movie till now has been a lie!

Can you guys believe that it is only about two weeks until the dvd is available....when I think back on these past 5 months ...it's hard to believe that it's almost here....and now...after these leaked scripts and commentaries...I dread watching the commentaries and having them shoot down all of our well thought out theroies....and the obvious clues that were on the screen...not made up, not twisted...the hard facts...and even that...is in question

Lovethemtigers, do you think that a DVD commentary will reveal whats going to happen in the sequel? Nobody knows whats going to happen, I don't think that TnT would take a risk like this? IMO I really doubt it. Although I enjoy cursing them and talking bad about them, I must say that they are intelligent people.

they arent as intelligent as we thought they were if the make AWE a WE ending!

But It wont end up W/E, I cant guarantee you, but I have this feeling that something else its going to happen. I just feel hopeless trying to give you guys more hope. I know, that know matter what I say nothing is going to change the way you guys think. But I tried.

I havn't read all of your posts but after seeing the commentary I don't think it favours W/E that much;TnT made it seem like W/E was boring- they said something like how their relationship has been mainly practising with swords 3 hours a day for the past year... And they also pointed it out whenever there was a chance. So IMO its as unlikely to end W/E as it is to end J/E.

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
i think i'm going to puke over AWE.....sorry I'm so dramatic....sorry for being depressed...it's just that I have alot of really sad things going on in my real life..and the J/E relationship was the bright spot...crazy, I know to look to a movie and fictional characters for happiness..but that's how this is for me..that's why I got obessed with this...tyring not to think about reality....oh well....now even my fantasy world is in upheaval...and it's not t and t's fault...it's mine, I guess...for falling in love with the characters of jack and liz....and them as a you and I, I -you, us.....

Yeah, I join you with an air-sickness-bag..they will be needed...don't know what pisses me of most: the lack of JE, Elizabeth being a cold hearted ***** or Jack being heartbroken *ponders* I think the last one. I can't stand to think of Jack being unrequited in love with ElizaBITCH 😠

WAIT A SEC HOLD THE PHONE

"She had to admit that she does feel something, that she does have this desire as well. But then she holds back"

This is the first time that they say Liz is actually FEELING something that is pretty deep for Jack

If this was her admitting she has lust for him then that makes no sense to everything else they have said about how she feels in DMC when Jack is around her..before this even happened the kiss meant she was "slaking her lust and drowning her guilt" so she knew and had accepted the lust for him already, she also knows she wants him....she's known its been lust since she first looked at the compass on the pearl.She knows she wants him in the curiosity scene ..

don't you think the choice of their word desire here is quite a contrast to mere "want"? Desire means its much deeper and they also say she admits she feels something..

Desire:
"—Synonyms 1. covet, fancy. See wish. 2. solicit. 3. aspiration, hunger, appetite, thirst. Desire, craving, longing, yearning suggest feelings that impel one to the attainment or possession of something. Desire is a strong feeling, worthy or unworthy, that impels to the attainment or possession of something that is (in reality or imagination) within reach: a desire for success. Craving implies a deep and imperative wish for something, based on a sense of need and hunger: a craving for food, companionship. A longing is an intense wish, generally repeated or enduring, for something that is at the moment beyond reach but may be attainable at some future time: a longing to visit Europe. Yearning suggests persistent, uneasy, and sometimes wistful or tender longing: a yearning for one's native land. "

and why do they then fail to explain whats really going on with Liz in Tia's hut scene??

This same thing goes for Jack..the compass points to what you want at that very moment right?..but desire is something much deeper and more permanent

well Jack's compass isn't working..meaning he wants Liz but doesn't want to want..but TIA knows that deep down he desires Elizabeth She SAYS it to him... I say this because of what Naomi Harris said about her character being able to "see people's true hearts and true desires"..she knows that he has a deep desire to be with Elizabeth.,,and it goes past mere want.

then they use this word for how Liz is feeling after that kiss?? and then she goes to meet Tia..I wonder if Tia can see what her true desire and true heart is saying to Elizabeth??

we learn she desires him..yet holds back FOR NOW.anyway..desire means its something that demands attention or action, an unavoidable obligation or action.

I think so Lovely cause isn't Tia able to see what really lies in people's hearts? Yes that's true because there was this interview with NH(The Actress who plays Tia) Said that Tia is able to see into people's hearts to know what they really want. I'll try to find the interview and I'll post it.

she says "true desires and true hearts"

its interesting how they say she has this desire AS WELL...this could mean as weel as Jack having a similar desire to be wit her..or her admitting that she feels something deeper fof Jack as well as a simple wanting.

Terry & Ted also said the compass doesnt show you your hearts desire
but Tia can see it. They only use this word after she has kissed him and they then dont explain whats going on with Liz in that last scene..its obviously important because she is sitting with someone who can clearly see where her heart truly lies and what her true desire is.

She's actually offering Liz the blue pill or the red pill here...she takes the red.

return home to what you are used to...or go and see how deep the rabbit hole goes..

you are great LovelyOne...I'm amazed how you seem to find the tiniest bit of hope in the middle of all this....Wish it were me, but sadly this ship has sunk for me 🙁 🙁

IMO this is her actually crossing the threshold to adventure..Tia is the supernatural aid and may also be the threshold guardian ..its the moment in the matrix where Morpheus offers the chance for Neo to follo what he wants most or leave and go home..red pill or blue pill

she offers Elizabeth a drink as a way to move on from Jack and forget about him as if its a wake, its also something that reminds her of how cold hearted she has been to Jack when he shows vulnerability.....she refuses to drink and decideds to go and find Jack.

Originally posted by LovelyOne
again this whole Jack being the brightness in her life/the world..her opening shot being, Dull and dead and raining and gloomy, she looks as if she's mourning..Jack introduced in a coffin..

When Jack comes back on the pearl he's surrounded in a burst of light as if to say.."this is what you need in your life"..Its Elizabeth's PoV..she's looking at Jack the god..the good man who came back..the true man he is.

opening and that scene is tied in with the end..and Gibbs says that line "already the world seems a little less bright" without jack the good man in it. It would also suggest that the message is getting directly to Elizabeth. Elizabeth needs Jack in her life, he makes her world brighter. (the good man that is)

I know, I agree...that's why I am getting so fed up with Ted and Terry...because the way Keira and Johnny played out Jack and Elizabeth I picked up on totally different vibes..I picked up on something real...and not just teasing....and that hallo of light...you are right...it has to mean something.....her clinging to his leg...i'm just so aggravated I just want to scream.....

Originally posted by JD_4_Life
I KNEW it was only lust. The word "lust" was said a million times in that commentary.

yeah but the thing is...lust can go a far way....lust can be the underlying ingredient for true and lasting love...you have to be very physically attracted to the person you choose to spend the rest of your days with.....so, T and T need to give this up.......but, I guess all the discussion is pointless...it's pretty clear they want Will and Liz....and it pisses me off....cuz they SUCK.

i seriously DON'T think its only lust...the first time they actually say something thats deeper than lust for Jack is after she kisses him, they are suggesting she has feelings for him and something thats MUCH deeper than just wanting him..its different to everything else they have been saying..she has to admit she has feelings for him and holds a desire as well which is much deeper and permanent that a mere wanting of jack....its deeper than what the compass shows her.

{It was all knowing that we had Keira, and she could do this and make the character real, you know, it was all the responses that gave us the confidence to do it – people have sympathy for her. }

WRONG.....I have no sympathy for her if she killed Jack with a cold heart.......

I don't like the bit about the shackles....yeah, Jack used her to escape in POTC...but who wouldn't...wouldn't you do anything to avoid certain death..just as Liz does to him at the end of DMC, I guess.....so they are two of a kind...but he didn't kill her in order to escape..but she does him...so who's more of a pirate at heart, Elizabeth.

I also don't like when people say she does it to get back at Jack...cuz that really angers me...cuz it makes Jack sound devious and selfish...and I don't think that Jack is....we all know the things he does it to protect everyone else in the end....he tried to be selfish by rowing away in the longboat...but in the end, he couldn't do it, he came back to the Pearl so the others could escape the Kracken....he did the right thing, he did something very courageous....

I don't like that everytime Jack does decide to do the right thing...it backfires on him, people take advantage of him...it would be so great if in AWE, for once, when does the right thing...he gets just rewards.....
I don't want Jack to be a depressed, lonely, hateful man.....it teaches the wrong thing to the younger audience...they need to teach a lesson that if you are a good man and do the right thing...then you get good rewards...not punished to your death....POOR JACK

you know what guys..

they, IMO are still being very careful with what they are saying when it comes to DMC..because its still only the second movie..there is another to come..and If there IS something there which points to whats gonna happen next in AWE with will/Jack and LIZ..they sure as hell wont mention anything about it..or even discuss how J/E could be together in AWE or W/E

Did they happen to say anything on what Gibbs says to J&E before the persuade me convo between the two by any chance??and for the 20th millionthhh time..what on earth is going through her mind at the end and why are they not discussing it?