The DVD commentary - The genunie one!!

they are ALSO not discussing whats going through Jack's mind once Liz does that to him..they are only talking about Liz..

as a matter of fact..during both her and Jack's last moments of the movie..all they do is comment on the props used in the scene..the chain for Jack..the cup for Liz..they are refusing to talk in depth as to whats going on on both in character's minds during their last moments of DMC...and this is obviously a last choice/statement made before the movie closes

and Elizabeth is actually IMO at THE most important moment of her journey, the one that will decide where her heart actually lies by the end of it all...and they are not discussing it.

I find it impossible to believe this tripe. How is it even possible for the WRITERS and PRODUCER NOT to be able to see the chemistry and the MONEY of J/E NOT EW.

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG, some one has to kill T&T and Jerry and then bring out some clones that we could control with remotes. Seriously, cause even dummies with stuffing for heads can realize the money and chemistry that J/E has.

I desipised the CotBP ending so much that I acutally spat at the T.V screen when I saw it on DVD. Actually spat. I honestly was expecting Lizzie to run away with Jack, that is a real love story. How can they make characters develop then take it all way and say, 'Whops, my mistake. There was no real chemistry or love between them, just pure lust. Sorry mate, you got PUNKED'?!!

No nonononon, that's just idiotic and stupid. THey are DOING DAMAGE CONTROL, they experimented with J/E in the middle of EW and got huge reasults and MONEY. Now they have to BACKTRACK?!! They're trying to fix everything up in the comentary just to make it seem that they were fooling us all along.

Those bastards! Jack cannot be abused in a flippin EW spanner. It's just sick and wrong, HE'S OUR MAIN CHARRY, YOU CANNOT JUST PUT THE MAIN CHARRY AS A BUMP IN THE ROAD.

That' is complete and utter disrespect for his character, just to use him as a tool in a flipping idiotic, non sensical and utterly deprived of chemistry relationship spanner!??!?!?!?!?

This is bull. A loaad of bull.

okay, I am going to chill.....this is crazy..and Lovely, you are right, I suppose, there is no way they would give us any hints as to what's really going on...since is the movie in the middle....they can't give away what's going to happen in AWE....but I so wanted to hear in the commentaries..that they are smitten with each other...that they are in denial....that they want each other...but don't want to want each other....a hint of forbidden love.....why show the camera angles on Jack if that wasn't what the compass was pointing to...why did they want us to think that Liz wanted Jack..cuz that's what we were told...the audience was told - through Jack - that the compass points to what you want most in this world...and where does it point when Liz holds it - JACK...and then on top of this, they have all these flirting and sexual innuendos going on between jack and liz....very very confusing messages from Ted and Terry....

I agree^^^ It certainly is very strange..

and tigers..they did actually say that they both want but dont want to want...i find it so interesting that they suddenly use the words "desire" and "feelings" in the same sentence once she has kissed him...because she knew she wantde him before that moment in the curiosity scene because of lust..all of a sudden she's admiting she has feelimgs for and also has a desire for him..

I have a crazy theory..and I dunno how to explain it..so maybe it would be better if I didnt 😂

{{And it breaks my heart to see my fellow shippers so down. I have seen the commentary, and strangely, I saw it differently. Let's not forget something: in COTBP, it was all about Liz and Will, and in DMC, the chemistry between J/E (that could be seen only in small glimpses in COTBP) finally came out in the open. We cannot expect for Liz and Jack to fall in love by the end of the movie. They're just beginning to "taste" it. There IS an attraction, there is lust, and Liz may indeed love Jack (as Terry himself said), the last part being key. The commentary was true to DMC and DMC alone, and in my opinion it was very good at that. J&E have just realized the chemistry that burns between them, the attraction that pulls them together like a magnet. Liz was surprised to find out that she DOES feel something, and she's holding back like any woman who THINKS she's engaged to the right man for her would.

Last, we could not have expected the commentary to be all about how great J/E are, since it will be a key plot in the third movie, which they cannot spill any beans about. If they had babbled on and on about J/E and mushy mush romantic stuff, then I would have gotten worried. But they are holding back, which gives me a feelings we will be surprised next year. They have admitted that J/E have a connection, at the end there are feelings, there is lust, potential for growth, and for now, that is good enough for me. }}}

This was a post I pulled off of KTTC j/l shipper thread....and after reading this, I have to agree...I mean I've never really believed that Jack and Liz are in love....I believe they are starting to feel attraction for each other...but I do believe that it is at the very end that they realize that what's been going on between them was more than just a game...more than just lust.....that's why Jack is so serious in that last scene aboard the Pearl...it was as he was sailing away on the longboat that it hit him...for Liz is may be when he returns and she has that selfish impulse to taste what she has been lusting for...and it does make sense...and it's what we've been essentially saying all along....she is in denial...she wants to get rid of the temptation, because she is suppose to be inlove and engaged to another man, Will. But then there's Jack...I truly believe what started as a flirting game has developed into more than they were bargaining for...so it's possible that in AWE we will discover that Jack and Liz have fallen in love...just a thought...trying to be more positive...

I said that about 5 times...after that kiss its like a realization on her behalf of just how much she desires to be with Jack Sparrow and she pulls back 🙂 it is, IMO her "refusal of the call to adventure" - step 3

the very fact they said she now has a desire to be with him..and not just sex..they said it in terms of feelings for him..which is much deeper than "want" and "lust" deeper than what the compass shows her...because the compass only shows want and WANT changes..it doesn't according to them show you what you desire...desire is something deep and permanent

and we learn that Tia can see people's true desires and hearts...and right after Elizabeth realizes she has this desire and feelings for Jack she's sitting in Tia's hut(step 4 meeting the mentor..the one who helps them on their way), someone who can see where her heart lies..she wants to get to singapore to get Jack back for one reason or another, so is this why she waited for Jack to die first so that THEN elizabeth would willingly go after him because it is where her heart truly lies?..this will make her cross that threshold into adventure..and we see that she does..and why do T&T NOT discuss whats going on here at all in this last scene in terms of what Elizabeth is in fact feeling towards Jack...?

again the definition of desire and in this case we know its not for sex because they say FEELINGS for him:

covet, fancy. See wish. 2. solicit. 3. aspiration, hunger, appetite, thirst. Desire, craving, longing, yearning suggest feelings that impel one to the attainment or possession of something. Desire is a strong feeling, worthy or unworthy, that impels to the attainment or possession of something that is (in reality or imagination) within reach: a desire for success. Craving implies a deep and imperative wish for something, based on a sense of need and hunger: a craving for food, companionship. A longing is an intense wish, generally repeated or enduring, for something that is at the moment beyond reach but may be attainable at some future time: a longing to visit Europe. Yearning suggests persistent, uneasy, and sometimes wistful or tender longing: a yearning for one's native land.

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Its usually something you feel you NEED to have in your life and so you crave it..you need food to live, you need water to live..you may be starved of it and you crave it..there is a difference between want and desire..want is often associated with something you long for but dont actually need to make your lif any richer..desire is something much, MUCH deeper than mere want..

its the difference between want and need that they are trying to get across I think.

Wait, wait, wait. Am I the only one who didn't see anything wrong or different about that commentary? You have to be kidding me. Half of that is stuff LovelyOne's been saying all along.

Big Point 1: Liz is not Jack's type, so he is convincing himself she's not, else why would he be attracted to her?

Well, Liz isn't Jack's type. Look at Scarlett and Giselle. He goes for easy girls that he can dominate and leave without a second thought. I'm surprised he remembered their names. Liz is something he's not used to, someone that pushes him back.

Big Point 2: In Curiosity, Jack and Liz bait each other and play hard to get.

Uh, yeah. They do. They are flirting and we all agreed they're flirting. And then the commentary even admits it goes a little further than both planned to. Just because Liz wouldn't have let him kiss her doesn't mean she didn't want him to. If you were Liz, would you really let Jack kiss you there? As much as you would want to? You want him to, but you're wanting to see more if he's a good man that can control himself.

Big Point 3: The compass points to the chest.

Oh my gosh, I've been saying this all along. It doesn't matter where the compass points. What matters is where the characters THINK it's pointing. It's all the power of suggestion. Liz sees the compass point to Jack. If she didn't want him, all she would think of it was that he was in the way of where the chest was. It wouldn't enter her mind that she'd want him romantically. And it does upset her that she's falling for Jack while she's engaged. It would bother anyone.
The compass points to what you want. Let's say I've got it and it points straight ahead of me. Well, that could mean anything. But in my mind, I know what I want and I can think, "Oh, it's pointing to my fiance," even though my little water bottle is straight in front of me.

Big Point 4: The kiss was meant to keep Jack away from Liz AND for her to try and save the others.

Hasn't LovelyOne been saying this the whole time? That Liz kissed Jack and left him to die so she wouldn't be tempted anymore? That means nothing in itself except she LEANS IN A SECOND TIME AND JACK OBVIOUSLY HAS A HARD-ON FROM IT. This whole scene depends on how Johnny and Keira chose to play it, not how it was written.

Liz: It's after you not the ship. It's not us. This is the only way, don't you see? I'm not sorry.

Jack: Pirate.

Think of all the ways these lines could be said. Think of all the expressions that can go with it, where you can pause, what you can be doing with your body. Johnny chose to smile and let Jack be caught up in the moment. Keira chose to play it very conflicted. Yeah, Liz isn't going to back down, but she's turned on and can't help herself and stops just in time from being kissed again.
I don't see anything that suggests there is no sparrabeth.

me neither i agree with u there is going to be alot of j/l moments in AWE i can feel it that commentary isn't an anti-sparrabeth it is just proving some facts we need to know and it can go both ways.

OHHH i have the DVD and I haven't seen all of it yet but already I've noticed 3 things..that may be significant or may not be lol

1. When Beckett says time is running out for Jack and he will have to find his new place in the world there is a large clock being raised and the big hand is pointing to 2, the little hand is at 11 I think ...there is also a pattern in the middle..Then we directly cut to Jack looking at his compass with a similar pattern in the middle..the point points to where the small hand was then it points and stays N/E at 2 O'clock where the big hand of the clock was pointing...Just thought that was weird..was it pointing at Liz there? or Singapore??..amm guessing its port Royal because he says his "why is the rum gone" which is a link back to Liz.

2. When Will comes down the stairs to Liz in prison in the music you can hear a faint heartbeat ..this boy is doomed to stab that heart..

3. There's another child refrence from Gibbs..and yep its with Jack again..as a matter of fact if there are any children in this movie or if children are mentioned they are often tied in with Jack..(canibal island boy)

Ladies, I spent a few hours at the mall yesterday...and I couldn't help myself....me and my son went into the Disney store of course...and there was many POTC/DMC suff in there....I think I'm going to let "Santa" bring him some POTC t-shirts, he really liked them....

and then....I couldn't help it...I pre-purchased the DVD and got a free poster! YEAH.....of course, I'm going to let my son hang it in his room...I was a little disappointed, though. The poster was the one of just Jack looking through the ropes (not even a real movie still). I wanted the movie poster like on the home page for this forum...the one with Jack, Liz, Will, The Kraken...Oh well....at least it's Jack and not will or Elizabeth.....

Can't wait to see the DVD!

Also, while waiting on others in my family, we spent time in the book store and in the children's section there were tons of books about DMC...sticker books, color books, A Guide to the movies, etc...and the caption underneath the pic of when Jack takes Liz hostage was interesting..it said "Elizabeth's Choker"..."Jack seems like a deperate pirate who lets nothing stand between him and freedom or treasure. But he's not all bad. His threat to choke Elizabeth with the manacles is a bluff. After all, how could he kill a pretty woman whom he has just saved from a watery grave?"

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
Also, while waiting on others in my family, we spent time in the book store and in the children's section there were tons of books about DMC...sticker books, color books, A Guide to the movies, etc...and the caption underneath the pic of when Jack takes Liz hostage was interesting..it said "Elizabeth's Choker"..."Jack seems like a deperate pirate who lets nothing stand between him and freedom or treasure. But he's not all bad. His threat to choke Elizabeth with the manacles is a bluff. After all, how could he kill a pretty woman whom he has just saved from a watery grave?"

That's Interesting. That's Very Interesting! Edting: To Say I too have seen those books too. Yesterday I was at CrossingBlades.com(Its a POTC forum and someone posted this visual guide book to the POTC series that comes out next year. They found it at walmart.com I so going to buy it. Also I looked at this POTC sticker book at another site they posted the stickers and there page with a sticker of Jack and right on the same page is a sticker of Elizabeth!

Willofthewisp. I agree with you.

In the commentary they are saying what we always thought it was between the two..its only recently we all started to believe she may be in love with him..I still think she may be gaining deeper feelings for him after that kiss..or they were always there and were actually awakened by that kiss...not saying its love but something is there..and she refuses to listen to it and "rejects" him...and her last choice is all Jack Sparrow and not Will Turner.

and it made me laugh how you said he has a hard on form it 😂

Thanks, I'm sometimes crude.

I just didn't see anything that we hadn't discovered ourselves, and there is especially no evidence from the commentary that J/E is not going to happen, or is just a figment of our overactive imaginations.

It would be just as enlightening to see what the comments are in the few scenes that Will and Liz are together, especially the prison and wedding scene. If the comments foreshadow doom, we have strong evidence in favor of J/E.