The Symbols Thread: Let's Trace our POTC Symbols

when you guys watch DMC again...look out for the 2 child lines..one directed at Jack and one directed at Elizabeth and Jack..both lines from Gibbs

.."for the love of mother and child Jack..what's coming after us?"

the frst one Jack gives an odd look...and IMO the music has a rather subtle suggestive rise

then later Gibbs says one again:

"and BAD bad for every mother's son who calls himself pirate"

this time its Liz who gives an odd look and its towards Gibbs then Jack..Gibbs looks up at the sails quite a bit then says something about em...which IMO is something important..dunno what to yet though

i believe i heard something about a line being cut (or possibly just hard to hear) where Gibbs is asking Jack or Will why there were no small children on the Pelogostos island (perhaps a mere insinuation that they fancy small children to adults for dinner).

however, there are several fertility insinuations on that island, and in Tia's hut. Just as Jack wears a fertility symbol on his belt, the majority of the tribal paintings/ bone jewelry deals with Central American tribal fertility symbols. This may have been an artibitrary decision of the costumers/prop crew or it may have some meaning.

Similarly, Will's necklace contains cowry shells that were considered by most Carib people to signify luck or fertility. Tia's henna markings would be a sanskrit or Indian symbol/charm for fertility/long life. Jack wears beads in his hair that contain the fertility symbols of an African tribe on them. Elizabeth noticably refuses to drink alcohol in Tia's hut (some people say its cause she's preggars, but even if it is not- and i dont think it is- it still brings that to mind), and also her desperation for sex could be psycologically tied to an "empty womb desperate to be filled".

I dont know my point with all that. lol. just thought i'd go off a bit. 😉

Those are excellent points. Never thought it had so many fertility symbols in them.

sorry i know this is a symbol thread, but i didn't know where else to put it:

http://www.pcavote.com/vote/vote.jsp?group=movies

notice how jack and liz are in the choices for best on screen match up...NOT will and liz!

Ok I'm just having a random though, what if POTC 4 is set after COTBP? It is a possibility, they said it was going to be a prequel. But, they didn't say of which of the pirates movies. that would explain Will and Elizabeth not being in the movie. It came to mind, that would be the only way it will work out.

Originally posted by mmoviejunkie
sorry i know this is a symbol thread, but i didn't know where else to put it:

http://www.pcavote.com/vote/vote.jsp?group=movies

notice how jack and liz are in the choices for best on screen match up...NOT will and liz!

yeah..

even if it was always meant to be W/E...IMO T&T obviously didnt get that across clear enough..people adore J/E because of DMC even if it was only meant to be a bump in the road for W/E..

So we want Disney sex, do we?

Jack and Liz are finally alone and he takes charge for once and closes the door behind them in his cabin. Holding down her arms, he moves them to his bed as he kisses her hard, both pairs of eyes closed. It's as if he no longer has to hold back. We see them topple onto the bed as Liz begins to undo his buttons while he kisses her neck teasinginly slow.
He takes the corner of the blanket and pulls it over them and we can only see the fade to black.

Now there's a conception storyline right there.

LMFAO^^^

That would create 2 billion at the box office..a possible J/E sex scene..I think a possible W/E one would chase people away!.....*shudders*

Originally posted by katelovespirate
i believe i heard something about a line being cut (or possibly just hard to hear) where Gibbs is asking Jack or Will why there were no small children on the Pelogostos island (perhaps a mere insinuation that they fancy small children to adults for dinner).

however, there are several fertility insinuations on that island, and in Tia's hut. Just as Jack wears a fertility symbol on his belt, the majority of the tribal paintings/ bone jewelry deals with Central American tribal fertility symbols. This may have been an artibitrary decision of the costumers/prop crew or it may have some meaning.

Similarly, Will's necklace contains cowry shells that were considered by most Carib people to signify luck or fertility. Tia's henna markings would be a sanskrit or Indian symbol/charm for fertility/long life. Jack wears beads in his hair that contain the fertility symbols of an African tribe on them. Elizabeth noticably refuses to drink alcohol in Tia's hut (some people say its cause she's preggars, but even if it is not- and i don't think it is- it still brings that to mind), and also her desperation for sex could be psycologically tied to an "empty womb desperate to be filled".

I don't know my point with all that. lol. just thought i'd go off a bit. 😉

It was Jack asking that I think because on the online game they used that line and it was Jack saying it.., i was wondering about that too..T&T said they cut some of the cannibal island scene because it was too suggestive of what happens in movie 3...thats why they aren't putting it on the DVD either..hmm why would Jack asking about children have to be cut?

..there is one child and he's actually what allows Jack to free himself from the binds in a way.

T&T keep talking about the importance of being bound and freed.

Also I don't think she is pregnant..T&T have said for 3 hours every day for a year they have been sword fighting to pass the time and Liz is getting really frustrated lol

i agree that she isnt preggars already, i think the point there was that moment was suggestive of that idea. 🙂

bound and freed... yeah, they are kinda dominatrix lol jk...

well thinking about what happens on the cannibal island, i can imagine why they'd have to cut it. remember that random scene where Jack finds the paprika? you can imagine that scene may have been longer and hinted more at Jack's past with Beckett, and of course the child line may have been wayyy to hinty about what may be floating around in Jack's brain or something.

I dont think the main reason Jack was unsure of himself is bc he wants a family. I think thats part of it. He was having mixed feelings and I guess some insecurity about himself. Part of these mixed up feelings could be Liz, a need to be loved, not wanting to end up alone, he knows that piracy is at its end; he just not ready to leave this world yet.

He is a pirate by heaert, but he's coming to notice that you cant be a pirate forever as a job like plundering, kidnapping, etc etc. He wants to settle but with his name still a legend throughout the 7 seas.

I wanted to add some Color Symbols:
Blue(Jack does wears a lot of this color, his coat, vest, Pants are blue):
Blue is the color most often associated with issues of the spirit and intellect. It is the color of SKY and HEAVEN, also having strong connections with nearly all forms of WATER; for this reason it can have feminine, cool, and reflective qualities. Its link to the sky also connotes eternity and immensity, time and space. Blue may be truth (no clouds to hide it) and transparency; it is linked to loyalty, fidelity, constancy, and chastity.

Brown(Liz Wears is this Color):[i]Culture of Brown: Brown represents wholesomeness and earthiness. While it might be considered a little on the dull side, it also represents steadfastness, simplicity, friendliness, dependability, and health. Although blue is the typical corporate color, UPS (United Parcel Service) has built their business around the dependability associated with brown.

Links:
http://staff.fcps.net/mkearl/links/Online%20Symbolism%20Dictionary.htm
http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/colorselection/p/brown.htm

great investigation! How about Will, I havent notice what color he wears.

For Willofthewisp
Ravens:Raven - Trickster, teacher, hoarder, healing, initiation, protection, shaman's power, transformation,
change in consciousness, mark of a shape shifter.
Some more
Dog - Guidance, protection, loyalty, fidelity, faithfulness, watchfulness, the Hunt.(I had to include the dog)

Link:http://www.princetonol.com/groups/iad/lessons/middle/animals2.htm

That was really interesting Todiangirl, thank you. I don't nobody had came up with that. Nice 🙂

OK so we had the birds symbol
Music symbol
Flowers symbol
and now we had color symbols

What about the ships?

I want that assignment. 😄

Go misty gooo!!! 🐰

Ok what I found was that a ship is a symbol of christianity. This is cool and interesting.

The ship (bark or barque, barchetta) was an ancient Christian symbol. Its is the Church tossed on the sea of disbelief, worldliness, and persecution but finally reaching safe harbor with its cargo of human souls. Part of the imagery comes from the ark saving Noah's family during the Flood (1 Peter 3:20-21). Jesus protecting the Peter's boat and the apostles on the stormy Sea of Galilee (Mark 4:35-41). It was also a great symbol during times when Christians needed to disguise the cross, since the ship’s mast forms a cross in many of its depictions..

Ship-shaped lamp with Pietro e Paolo Apostles, Bronze, late 4th-early 5th century. Uffizi Gallery, Florence

"In the Apostolic Constitutions (II, xlvii) the bishop surrounded by the assembly of the faithful is compared to the helmsman of a ship; but the idea is as old as Tertullian (De bap., xii; P. L., l, 1214) and it was varied sometimes by comparing the Church to the Ark of Noah. In any case the ship was a recognized Christian symbol and Clement of Alexandria approved it for a signet ring. "Let the dove or the fish", he says, "the vessel flying before the wind, — or the marine anchor be our signets" (Pæd. III, ii; P. G., VIII, 633). Numerous representations of ships, sometimes serving as the design for a lamp, with the figure of Christ or St. Peter as helmsman are preserved to us. The name which we still retain for the "nave" (French, nef) of a church bears testimony to the persistence of the same idea." (Herbert Thurston, "Symbolism," Catholic Encyclopedia, 1909). The ship is also sometimes used as an emblem of St. Jude.

Gravestone of Firmia Victora, Museo Pio Cristiano, Vatican, Rome
In an illustration for Psalm 69 from the Belleville Breviary, chosen to accompany the sacrament of Confirmation, St. Peter lies in a boat on a storm-tossed sea while God blesses him from the heavens, symbolizing the soul's refuge in time of trial in the ship of the Church which is blessed by God. The final traditional symbolic meaning of the ship is a means of conveyance between this world and the next. In Christian tradition, in which earthly life was seen as a pilgrimage, the ship of the church transports the faithful through the seas of the world to the heavenly home. (Ideas from Chaucer and the Image of Narrative, by V. A. Kolve.)

St. Ursula was often portrayed as helping sinners into her boat to save them from drowning in the seas of the world.

Ship sailing heavenward, from the Lapidarian Gallery

http://www.jesuswalk.com/christian-symbols/ship.htm

I'm trying to find some symbols of ships but going back to birds for one more time I found this
Birds signify the presence of God, whether in the form of the dove that signaled the presence of the Holy Spirit at the time of Christ's baptism, the mother eagle that cares for its young, or the sparrow that signifies God's concern for the most insignificant living things.
Here is what I found on Ships:
The word 'ship' in English has two meanings:
* as a solitary noun, a 'ship' is any large sea-going vessel
* as a suffix, '-ship' signifies a state, condition or quality (as in friendship or partnership), an art or skill (as in leadership or, appropriately in this case, seamanship) or a sense of community (as in township).