The Symbols Thread: Let's Trace our POTC Symbols

I'm trying to find some symbols of ships but going back to birds for one more time I found this
Birds signify the presence of God, whether in the form of the dove that signaled the presence of the Holy Spirit at the time of Christ's baptism, the mother eagle that cares for its young, or the sparrow that signifies God's concern for the most insignificant living things.
Here is what I found on Ships:
The word 'ship' in English has two meanings:
* as a solitary noun, a 'ship' is any large sea-going vessel
* as a suffix, '-ship' signifies a state, condition or quality (as in friendship or partnership), an art or skill (as in leadership or, appropriately in this case, seamanship) or a sense of community (as in township).

Links:
http://www.gaiaship.org/
http://www.godweb.org/ship.htm

I found something really interesting about colors to.

Brown(Liz)
1st Chakra: Root Chakra - Grounding, Focus, and Survival

Element: Earth

Earth - Dependability -Stability - Humility

Brown is the color of the Earth, and is very comforting, nurturing, fertile, and stable.

Its also gives you a feeling of relaxation and home coming. Think "brown leather chair" "brown corduroy jacket" "taupe and Smokey quartz", "garden and home".

Brown makes you feel cozy, safe and warm.

Keywords: Stability, Grounding, Sophisticated, Considerate, Conventional, Orderly, Reliability, Elegance, Security, Healing, animals, home, grounding, foundations, earthly.

Blue (Jack)

5th Chakra: Throat ( Vishuddha) - communication and self expression. Stimulates ability to communicate one's deepest truths.

Element: Water Sound, Creative identity, oriented to self-expression

Aligned with the planets Mercury and Neptune

Effects: Tranquility - Trust - Intuition

A balance of the color blue brings intuition, inspiration, sincerity, peace, joy, tranquility, faith in oneself and trust in others
The color blue awakens intuition and eases loneliness.

Too much of the color blue in your life can result in becoming melancholy, dogmatic, negative, arrogant, self-righteous, and self centered. You may talk too much, speak negatively/harshly, and gossip about others. Can be domineering, fanatical, prone to over-reacting, hyperactive.

Keywords
Communication, spirituality, contemplation, mystery, patience, holiness, peace, soothing, stable, classic, protective, trust, loyalty, truthfulness, healing, meditation, forgiveness, patience. health, calm, intuition, inspiration, spiritual, devotion, happiness, kindness, psychic ability, compassion.

http://www.sobrietystones.com/resources/Colors/meaning_color_blue_5.htm

I honestly don't care about the children lines that Gibbs gives Jack and Elizabeth, it's NOT all about symbolism here. This is a very different case, it's not about foreshadowing or if this is possible. It's about if this would feel right, if it's a good ending.

I personally wouldn't want a NEW personality introduced at the end. That's not good writing to just stick in a new character, it wouldn't be fair to the actual child. And the prequal thing is in my favour you know. If they are going to do a prequal then why would they put a child in there, why would they arouse the curiousity of Jack being a father in the audience and go back to when he was a prostitue magnet.

Why?

And it's like introducing a 'nice girl for Will' in AWE, as we had pondered a long while back (before the spoiler for the Cpt of the FD). It's not fair for the girl to be pictured as just an extra person stuck in there to make some of the audience happy and Will happy.

That's stupid, and it wouldn't feel right. It would feel disconected, there'd be no connection. It's like if you're friends with you class and have a hell of a school year, then the next year a new person comes in and it's soooo awkward cause they dont' know anything of what happend the last year. It'd be like, 'Hey, remember when blah blah blah'...'Ah...no...'

Too awkward, and it's deeming to the character.

Just not right.

S&S IMHO it really doesnt matter if a child is introduced at the end because its the end of the story anyway they are not gona continue from that..its just closure

Its just to show that either Will or Jack has a family by the end of it all IMO

yh thts true...it wud be interestin 2 see but then ppl wud be like "oh wat happens to the child..." "is it gna grow up 2 be a pirate?"

I really wouldn't mind either, as longs as it is in the end. I think that would make an amazing ending. I think it would give a good closure to the characters no matter which characters are.

probably

I found a site, it talks about Disney using symbolisms in their movies.
Here's the link if you want to read it

http://www.jenericbooks.com/symbolism.html

A brand new character is closier? How does that close of the movie when you have a brand new personality that is introduced at the very end?

That's a cliffhanger, and a very undeniably crule one if they're going to do a prequal trilogy. What of the kid, we dont' know him or her at all. They're just an extra character to make Jack seem more human and I don't know what in hell it would do for Elizabeth.

It would ruin her character, for me. Because the WHOLE TRILOGY is focusing on character development. I think everyone is focusing alot on Jack so they need him to be past the pirate and on to the settling down life. They're not looking at Liz, what's she gonna do. The whole of CotBP and DMC was to show that she as well needed development, not just Jack.

I think it would be favortism if T&T just put a kid in there to make Jack's character rounded off. What of Liz? That's just crule to allow her character to go back to the lady at home and doing nothing. It's alright for her but not for our Jack, no no. He deserve better and no one else does.

Wtf, that's stupid.

well did Sam's two children at the end of LotR's ruin it for the audience? No it just showed us that he had been completed in life..he had found his place..it gave him closure. They were introduced in a similar way..and it was a pleasent surprise..

people do it all the time in movies to show that a character has found true happiness and a place in life.

IMO it wouldnt ruin anything..its a pretty safe thing to do no matter who's child it is..

again S&S how can you be so sure she'll be a housewife?

I agree if its Wills and Liz's son I'll be pissed they did that and left Jack with a crappy..crappy ending..a victim of love thats not returned?? what a load of BS..

Well that's the thing. When Sam had children it freaked me out, I was like, 'WHAT?! Where'd they come from?!'

I think it was okay for you cause it's not the main character. Jack and Liz are the lead male and female. Sam was the supporting charry. Plus his character was homly and settling down like before the whole adventure. He went back to the Shire, he RETURNED to his OLD LIFE.

But FRODO, THE LEAD MALE had to go some where different. Cause he couldn't go back, he couldn't live a normal life again. And remember, Jack (according to some rumours) had a normal life in a British Colony in India. Wouldn't that be considerd non-pirate like? So going back to having children and being a father would be like Frodo going back to the Shire and settling down with a new character.

well then maybe its a W/E thing then thats why they have put the child in to close those two characters off...which BTW is making me fill with venom inside..becaue liz is the lead female..not a support character...Will is however.

but Jack being a pirate thats him returning to his old life(thats how we are introduced to him..thats the only way we know him)..IMO having a kid is something that shows he has learned something from these 3 films 😂 again I dont think the kid is going to mean being on land as a housewife. I think they are still going to be on the sea..

What else would Elizabeth be?! She can't sail if she has a kid, and Jack can't really go anywhere if he wants to survive as you've said many times that he'd die if he'd sail and remain a pirate (Beckett's line).

If they were to sail together with the kid it'd be like the Mummy's Return. I thought that the kid was AWFUL. I HATE children in adventure movies, it doesn't feel right. There's an unsettling feeling about it. The parents take the kid on their adventure and some how the kid messes it up or the parents have to look after them...

It's annoying to the audience, it's like you taking your family trip to Jurrasic Park and have the dinosaurs come to life, like the movie. It's aggrivating, there isn't much freedom of movement. And I'm not saying that I don't want Jack or Liz to ever ever have children. I'm saying that I dont' want AWE to end with a child, maybe a subbtle hint of a kid, but not an actual guy running around.

Just not right man. It's too...awkward for me.

yeah but we wont be getting a movie where we have to sit and suffer watching a child on screen.

IMO if Jack is in some way linked to this kid its only going to do his character good and it wont be something that pisses the audience off.

he's mirroring davy J IMO and I think it may be a bit of a relief to the audience that he finally found something that makes him happy..and feel loved.

I know that, but see it this way. What is the kid going to do, make Jack look rounded as a person? Make Liz look like she developed?

They're using a character to complete another, it's how I felt when they were using Liz to make Will the 'hero'. When he had to rescue the 'damsil in distress'.

Now they're going to use a kid to make Jack look human. That's awful, an entire character is going to one purpose to make another character more rounded? Lovable?

That's sickening, this kid, we will never know him or her since the next trilogy will be a prequal. So it's only purpose is to mold others?

Sick and wrong. It's a child, not an item.

isnt using Liz to make Jack look more human and loving the same thing?? Isn't that what happens in most movies? one character helps another character to look a certain way to the audience..although Will is made to look like the hero for going after Liz, Liz actually appears to be the more heroic one in PotC1..Jack coming back and Liz grabbing his leg made Jack look as if he was a hero..they used Liz there

if all characters just did their own thing to come across a certain way they would'nt have any connection to eachother in any way..

It just helps to get the theme across better..Liz clinging to his legs makes the audience think "Jack has come back becuse he cares for her"..imagine if we never saw that..we wouldnt be thinking it was for anyone but his pearl

Jack with a child would show the audience "Jack has found his place in life and he's happy."

Jack didnt come back for his pearl. He cant carry it over his shoulder to rescue it. Besides he knew where Liz was so he can save her.

PLUS! Remember that he said "She's only a ship, mate"