Abraxas VS Lucifer Morningstar

Started by GalacticStorm8 pages
Originally posted by Juntai
It's in Lucifer's Nirvana, a one-shot Lucifer story, done by the Lucifer's writer[Carrey], as part of the Lucifer universe.

Which came out in 2002 and after that time there were still universal references.

Thanks Juntai 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Which came out in 2002 and after that time there were still universal references.

Thanks Juntai 🙂

Originally posted by Juntai
The one shot is also collected in the final trade of Lucifer, as part of the series.

No less canonical.

You're welcome btw.

Originally posted by Juntai
No less canonical.

And yet subsequent references in the main title if not all other references refer to the universal. The most recent and the most common references are one and the same. That speaks volumes.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Which came out in 2002 and after that time there were still universal references.

👆

Throughout the series Universe was referenced, even after Lucifer's claim, and towards the end of the series we see that Lucifer didn't even take the time to fix flaws in the Universe and saw all the mutations that occurred because of his mistakes.

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆

The usual spin.


He isn't spinning it this time.

🙂 Read some Vertigo Emmie.

Dont just jump on a bandwagon.

Bitterness is a bad thing 🙁

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Read some Vertigo Emmie.

Dont just jump on a bandwagon.


Read some Marvel Pino,
don't just yip yap your way around.

It's funny though,

the Mkraan is now Multiversal right GS, cause it was stated once (NEVER showing such power)

Although forever it's been Universal,
heck, even when it shattered On Panel it remade ONE Alternate Universe.

But since it was stated once to be Multiversal,
let's change history.

Now that Lucifer's Universe has been retconned through a statement,
you reject that.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Bitterness is a bad thing

Hypocrisy is worse imo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Read some Marvel Pino,
don't just yip yap your way around.

It's funny though,

the Mkraan is now Multiversal right GS, cause it was stated once (NEVER showing such power)

Although forever it's been Universal,
heck, even when it shattered On Panel it remade ONE Alternate Universe.

But since it was stated once to be Multiversal,
let's change history.

Now that Lucifer's Universe has been retconned through a statement,
you reject that.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Hypocrisy is worse imo.

Poor Emmie.

You really need to read more Marvel comics before you start yap yapping. 🙁

Your lack of reading has lead you to believe that AOA was the only multiversal reference given to the crystal.

Sorry mate but it was also made in Exiles #60 pg 18

The Mutant X series which you're always spouting on about

X-men Emperor Vulcan

It is because of all of those consistent references to the multiversal and the fact that the handbooks refer to it as multiversal that i say it is.

Not the same at all mate. Sorry you wasted your time 😬

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Poor Emmie.


Poor Pino.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

You really need to read more Marvel comics before you start yap yapping.

Your lack of reading has lead you to believe that AOA was the only multiversal reference given to the crystal.

Sorry mate but it was also made in Exiles #60 pg 18


It states the "Mkraan is a nexus of realities, where different universes intersect"
doesn't say anything about it having the power to destroy the Multiverse.

Nice try.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

The Mutant X series which you're always spouting on about


Really, where?

I bet it's as useless as Exiles #60

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

X-men Emperor Vulcan


Doesn't say anything about it destroying the Multiverse either.

Next.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

It is because of all of those consistent references to the multiversal
and the fact that the handbooks refer to it as multiversal that i say it is.


None of those other references say anything about Mkraan taking out the Multiverse.

Nice try yet again.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Not the same at all mate. Sorry you wasted your time


Sorry mate, On Panel the Mkraan Crystall shattered before,
guess what, only ONE Alternate Reality was affected:

Phoenix and all the X-Men try to repair the Lattice of the Mkraan ... but fail,

the Mkraan Crystal is unleashed:


.....................................................................................

One Reality (a Single universe) is affected:


.....................................................................................

Gladiator stated it threatened "All existence"

Gladiator obviously meant "all existence" to them (their universe)
because it evidently did NOT threaten all realities/universes,
as we saw, only ONE reality/universe was affected by the Crystal.
.....................................................................................

Dweller in Darkness clears it up for us:

"Soon the Mkraan Crystal will shatter and [I]That Universe will be forfeit[/i]"
.....................................................................................

But anyway

from the very beginning the Watcher stated it to be a Single Reality:

"This is [I]one such Universe[/i]"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Poor Pino.

It states the "Mkraan is a nexus of realities, where different universes intersect"
doesn't say anything about it having the power to destroy the Multiverse.

Nice try.

Really, where?

I bet it's as useless as Exiles #60

Doesn't say anything about it destroying the Multiverse either.

Next.

None of those other references say anything about Mkraan taking out the Multiverse.

Nice try yet again.

Sorry mate, On Panel the Mkraan Crystall shattered before,
guess what, only ONE Alternate Reality was affected:

Phoenix and all the X-Men try to repair the Lattice of the Mkraan ... but fail,

the [B]Mkraan Crystal is unleashed:


.....................................................................................

One Reality (a Single universe) is affected:


.....................................................................................

Gladiator stated it threatened "All existence"

Gladiator obviously meant "all existence" to them (their universe)
because it evidently did NOT threaten all realities/universes,
as we saw, only ONE reality/universe was affected by the Crystal.
.....................................................................................

Dweller in Darkness clears it up for us:

"Soon the Mkraan Crystal will shatter and [I]That Universe will be forfeit[/i]"
.....................................................................................

But anyway

from the very beginning the Watcher stated it to be a Single Reality:

"This is [I]one such Universe[/i]" [/B]

At the end of the day mate, consistently since the AOA, the M'kraan crsytal has been classified as a multiversal nexus of realities. It does not have counterparts in every reality, there is one and if its power is unleashed it would eventually wipe out all realities in Marvel. The point is even stated in its bio. That shows that the AOA retcon is upheld as canon.

So boo-hoo all you want but theres nothing you can say that will change that. bawling

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

At the end of the day mate,
consistently since the AOA, the
M'kraan crsytal has been classified as a multiversal nexus of realities.
It does not have counterparts in every reality,
there is one
and if its power is unleashed it would eventually wipe out all realities in Marvel. The point is even stated in its bio.
That shows that the AOA retcon is upheld as canon.


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Hyperbolic myth that was dismissed by On Panel evidence.

At the end of the day mate, ON PANEL,
the Mkraan shattered in an Alternate Reality,
and remade said SINGLE Alternate Reality.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

So boo-hoo all you want but theres nothing you can say that will change that.


yawn

On Panel EVIDENCE >>> unsupported, unproven hyperbolic statements.

Originally posted by Mr Master

yawn

On Panel EVIDENCE >>> unsupported, unproven hyperbolic statements by a single X-Man.

Sorry mate but you're just showing how limited your comprehension is.

The Watcher can only view the events in one universe at any one time. Be it 616 or an alternate. Hes not LT, he cant view the events in all universes simultaneously.

So in that particular comic, in one particular universe, the M'kraan crystal was unleashed.

Tell me again how that proves the M'kraan crystal isnt multiversal? 😆

As stated in the bio and on panel, when the crystals power is unleashed in one universe, the crystals power will eventually reach all other realities and wipe them out.

So please tell us all how, you presenting a scan of Watcher observing one universe, where the crystals power was unleashed, tells us that the crystal is just universal? 😕

You've lost the plot! 😆

Originally posted by Mr Master

Nice try yet again.

Sorry mate, On Panel the Mkraan Crystall shattered before,
guess what, only ONE Alternate Reality was affected:

Phoenix and all the X-Men try to repair the Lattice of the Mkraan ... but fail,

the Mkraan Crystal is unleashed:


.....................................................................................

One Reality (a Single universe) is affected:


.....................................................................................

Gladiator stated it threatened "All existence"

Gladiator obviously meant "all existence" to them (their universe)
because it evidently did NOT threaten all realities/universes,
as we saw, only ONE reality/universe was affected by the Crystal.
.....................................................................................

Dweller in Darkness clears it up for us:

"Soon the Mkraan Crystal will shatter and [I]That Universe will be forfeit[/i]"
.....................................................................................

But anyway

from the very beginning the Watcher stated it to be a Single Reality:

"This is [I]one such Universe[/i]"

You can spin this how ever you wish.

Bottomline:

It has bee my task to observe the events of My Universe,
and those which occur in Dimensions ALONGSIDE it ...

... Parallel Worlds
where Reality DIVERGES from Ours and pursues an Alternate path
.

THIS is ONE such Universe"

=====================================

This is a mirror reality that diverged from 616,
Mkraan shattered,
Mkraan remakes a SINGLE Reality.

On Panel evidence >>>> any bull shit you come up with outside of on panel evidence.

1ST PARAGRAPH"The crystal functions as a doorway, which must be kept closed in all realities, for were it to be left open in one reality.........it could potentially wipe out all realities in the mainstream multiverse and beyond"

5TH PARAGRAPH"The crystal or a previous incarnation existed in the last multiverse, and the crystals destruction at demonic hands, obliterated the entire multiverse"

That first quote is very important. The scan Mr Master is parading around is from the comic where the crystal was opened in Galactus' universe of origins. Mr Master thinks that because the comic is just depicting what happened in that universe, that despite what we have been told many a time about the multiversal nature of the crystal, it only affected that universe 😕

Ummm if that universe is the subject matter of that universe then surely the focus is going to be on the effects to THAT universe? Either way the bio clrifies all.

Cool 🙂

Thanks for posting scans to accompany the bio. Now the forum member scan see the comic issue the bios talking about 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

1ST PARAGRAPH[/B]"The crystal functions as a doorway, which must be kept closed in all realities, for were it to be left open in one reality.........it could potentially wipe out all realities in the mainstream multiverse and beyond"

5TH PARAGRAPH"The crystal or a previous incarnation existed in the last multiverse, and the crystals destruction at demonic hands, obliterated the entire multiverse"

That first quote is very important. The scan Mr Master is parading around is from the comic where the crystal was opened in Galactus' universe of origins. Mr Master thinks that because the comic is just depicting what happened in that universe, that despite what we have been told many a time about the multiversal nature of the crystal, it only affected that universe 😕

Ummm if that universe is the subject matter of that universe then surely the focus is going to be on the effects to THAT universe? Either way the bio clrifies all.


hysterical2

I can't believe you're trying to use a bio versus clear On Panel evidence,
wow, your LOW knows no bounds,
anything to get someone, anyone to agree with your delusional ideas.

Bottomline ... ON PANEL --- HAPPENING - ACTION!!!!

Originally posted by Mr Master

Phoenix and all the X-Men try to repair the Lattice of the Mkraan ... but fail,

the Mkraan Crystal is unleashed:


.....................................................................................

One Reality (a Single universe) is affected:


.....................................................................................

But anyway

from the very beginning the Watcher stated it to be a Single Reality:

"This is [I]one such Universe[/i]"

ONE Reality is all the Mkraan Crystal is able to destroy/remake On Panel.

But fantasize all you want in your own mind GS.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Thanks for posting scans to accompany the bio.
Now the forum member scan see the comic issue the bios talking about


Right, the forum members know that the Mkraan Crystal shattered ONCE On Panel,
and it remade a SINGLE Reality that diverged from 616.

It has bee my task to observe the events of My Universe,
and those which occur in Dimensions ALONGSIDE it ...

... Parallel Worlds
where Reality DIVERGES from Ours and pursues an Alternate path
.

THIS is ONE such Universe"

whistling

Spin it all you want.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

"The crystal functions as a doorway, which must be kept closed in all realities, for were it to be left open in one reality.........it could potentially wipe out all realities in the mainstream multiverse and beyond"


Hyperbolic bio gibberish as creditable as Phoenix saved Galactus. 😂

On Panel ... Mkraan Crystal = power to remake ONE Universe.

Bios only have merit if they're confirmed on panel,
otherwise it's either theories or plain hyperbole.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

"The crystal or a previous incarnation existed in the last multiverse,
and the crystals destruction at demonic hands,
obliterated the entire multiverse"


durlaugh

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hyperbolic bio gibberish as creditable as Phoenix saved Galactus. 😂

On Panel ... Mkraan Crystal = power to remake ONE Universe.

Bios only have merit if they're confirmed on panel,
otherwise it's either theories or plain hyperbole.

durlaugh

Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but the crystal crystallised the 616 timeline, along with the AOA timeline and its affects were felt across the multiverse.

When AOA was going on and the crystal was slowly destroying that reality, its explosive power swept across the omniverse:

New Son rode the destructive waves to travel from reality to reality.

😱