Originally posted by tkitna
The LT wouldnt act even if all of existance we're in peril? Another words, I wonder if he would act if his being was in question.Just wondering and i'll quit asking dumb questions after this.
He did when THOTI was in the game. He also did it with IG. He also stopped Zom. He also wanted to remove Galactus from existence with help of others. He also came after Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by tkitnaThe LT wouldnt act even if all of existance we're in peril?
Never.
Against any threat other than that?
It depends,
see the LT interferes if there's an imbalance of power within a sphere of existence,
that can alter the mystical balance of the infinite Multiverse.
Sometimes, it only takes a single Planet to summon the LT,
like in the case with the Stranger, when he teleported a planet from the New Universe,
(that's a Universe located within another Multiverse)
this planet had the Starbrand in it (an item not from the Prime Multiverse)
and thus it could potentially cause an unbalance, so the LT sealed up the planet forever.
Another occasion was during that What if, "What if the X-Men lost inferno"
the LT appeared because of events taking place on a single Planet:
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This alternate Sym and Madelyne Prior (Jean Grey's clone)
had opened a portal from Limbo that lead to this alternate Earth scenario,
Limbo began to converge with this alternate planet Earth,
this alone was going to cause a Multiversal imbalance of Mystical energies:
"With Earth's plane so unbalanced mystically ...
only a little time before the Living Tribunal arrives"
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But this alternate Dr Strange didn't know,
that Sym planned to spread Limbo across the entire Multiverse
this was the ONLY real direct Multiversal threat in this issue!
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But anyway,
Dr Strange figures he may be able to stop the Limbo effect on Earth atleast,
with the full power of the Phoenix Force:
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Strange helps Rachel summon the full power of the Phoenix Force:
Indeed ... they succeed:
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But Madelyne Prior noticed this and figured,
since the full power of the Phoenix Force is Universal,
she might as well take it for herself,
and atleast be able to dominate that alternate Universe.
Since Madelyne Prior is Jean's clone,
she can control the full power of the Phoenix Force just as much as Jean herself,
same goes for Rachel who's Jean's daughter:
Like I said, the full power of the Phoenix, a Universal force:
"The power will be mine, and with it This Universe shall be mine, mine alone"
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Anywho,
Sym dies and the plan to spread Limbo to the rest of the Multiverse dies too.
But this alternate Universe is still in danger because of the Phoenix.
Madelyne ends up winning control of the full power of the Phoenix Force:
"Sym is dead ... I've got no competition for dominion over This Universe,
for the Power of the Phoenix is here ... and mine alone"
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But Sym's spirit takes over Wolverines dead bones and stabs Madelyne in the back.
Now Rachel has control over the Universal power of the Phoenix Force:
"The power is now mine ... and the Universe again has a chance"
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So the Phoenix Force remakes that alternate world:
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The LT arrives and tells the Phoenix not to take a host for the sake of the Multiverse,
because as we saw,
even a Universal or Planetary imbalance can upset the Multiverse:
Originally posted by tkitnaAnother words, I wonder if he would act if his being was in question.
Originally posted by XplosiveHe did when THOTI was in the game.
He also did it with IG. He also stopped
Zom.
He also wanted to remove Galactus from existence with help of others.
The LT can't interfere if the threat is a Concept, even if it's to all existence.
Originally posted by XplosiveHe also came after Phoenix Force.
Never seen Abraxas under his own power do anything particularly impressive.
Never seen him manipulate matter on a universal scale as Lucifer has.
To be fair his presence did erode dimensional walls as he neared them, causing inhabitants from other dimensions to cross over into 616, but thats not exactly gob smacking.
He's done nothing but beat up on a few alternate reality Galactus' 😬
Lucifer FTW 🙂
Originally posted by Rorschach
This won't end well. 🙁
I know 😖hifty:
But its so true! 😱
Eroding dimensional walls is cool, but thats hardly an exercise of power on a universal scale.
A few inhabitants crossed over on to Earth 616 because his presence weakened dimensional walls.
He beat up on some alternate reality Galactus'
Is that enough to make him top tier? ❌
Lets see him do something truly universal. Lets see the extent of his matter manipulation. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStormEroding dimensional walls is cool,
but thats hardly an exercise of power on a universal scale.A few inhabitants crossed over on to Earth 616 because his presence weakened dimensional walls.
He beat up on some alternate reality Galactus'
Is that enough to make him top tier?
Same ol' same ol' ...
Demeaning feats of characters that would curbstomp Phoenix!
You should try focusing on the ridiculous exaggeration being perpetrated about Phoenix,
like,
"holding 616 in her hands" LOL!
"stopping/containing the Mkraan from shattering" (supposedly multiversal) LOL!
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!
It was the Neutron Galaxy (ALWAYS been Universal - Then and NOW)
Besides the fact,
that she needed ALL the X-Men's plus Corsair's power and spirits to accomplish this,
besides the fact,
that all she did even with ALL the HELP,
was re-knit the lattice that contains the N-Galaxy from remaking a single universe.
Bah, this truth won't change anything, I know, so have fun in wonderland.
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As for Abraxas -
it seems your ignorance is only matched by your Phoenix delusions.
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Abraxas ... his purpose if to erase the infinite Prime Multiverse from existence:
Franklin says about the Omniversal Guardian:
"That's Roma, she's gonna help us fight the dark man" (Abraxas)
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Roma (Omniversal Guardian) makes it clear:
"And if we do not act soon ... All of Time will be lost to us"
Abraxas is a Multiversal power of Omniversal significance.
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Here are Nine Universes that would later be destroyed by Abraxas:
"Imagine each of those Worlds like sand in an hourglass ...
an hourglass which Abraxas will shatter"
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This is aside from these UniverseS Abraxas collapsed:
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Meh,
And Abraxas only needs to approach UniverseS to collapse them:
(he doesn't even need to attack or enter said Realities) 🙂
(the Multiverse in fact)
"creatures of the Multiverse Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself
This ... is what brings Abraxas" (like I said, just by approaching)
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Here are some Bio excerpts,
to confirm my posts which only contain the On Panel evidence:
(reference-Official Marvel Handbook 2006 - Abraxas bio)
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How Abraxas folds/collapses Universes:
"While Abraxas drew near,
the walls of dimensional space began to blur" (fold/collapse)
It goes on to explain the ramifications of Abraxas approaching Realities.
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We shouldn't be surprised ... it's his Job:
Occupation: "Dimensional Destroyer"
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Evidently, only a power UN-like can defeat Abraxas:
"Realizing the danger Abraxas posed,
the FF went on a Dimension-hopping journey to recover the UN,
the One weapon that could destroy him"
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Indeed, Roma (Omniversal Guardian) stated the same thing On Panel:
Roma: "It will be a weapon of unimaginable power that will WIN This day"
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Here Galactus says it, and Reed realizes this truth:
Galactus: "But This Time, This Day can end ONLY one way"
Reed: "Yes .... God help me, I can see that now"
So despite all of that effort.
Can you show me some energy manipulation feats please?
As aforementioned, he beat up on some alternate reality Galactus', his power eroded dimensional walls as he neared them, but other than that, you have nothing. 😕
A few people from an alternate reality ended up on Earth 616 because of the blur Abraxas caused.
Thats lovely mate. Wheres the high scale energy manipulation feats?
Wheres the universal scale matter/energy manipulation. Thats all thats required. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStormAs aforementioned, he beat up on some alternate reality Galactus', his power eroded dimensional walls as he neared them, but other than that, you have nothing. 😕
A few people from an alternate reality ended up on Earth 616 because of the blur Abraxas caused.
Dude, are you high?
Abraxas was collapsing the entire Multiverse,
and it's in his powerset to manipulate reality:
Here Reed says,
"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...
Because the Multiverse is misaligned due to Abraxas
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Here Nova says,
"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"
Again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
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Finally what does this lead to?
Reed,
"In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."
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What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?
The MULTI-VERSE!
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Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse:
UN Destroys the Multiverse:
UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant:
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UN is a Multiversal weapon ... Reed says,
"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,
He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"
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Read, then debate friend.
Originally posted by GalacticStormWheres the universal scale matter/energy manipulation. Thats all thats required.
Abraxas secondary bio:
"He can restructure matter and convert physical matter into pure energy ...
he has destroyed entire PLANES of Reality"
On Panel confirmation:
"We're dealing with a being of Godlike powers,
BENDING Reality means nothing to him"
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As presented above,
entire Universes were being warped by Abraxas' presence,
heck, the ENITRE Multiverse was collapsing under Abraxas' power.
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Changes nothing. 🙁
Abraxas' power erodes the dimensional barriers that maintains the multiversal structure, the independence of the alternate realities of the multiverse.
He affected the structural integrity of the multiverse as he hopped from reality to reality killing alternate Galactus' because his power attacks the dimensional walls that separate realities.
Its akin to removing the keystone from a bridge thereby compromising its structural integrity making the whole bridge collapse. I could go up to a bridge and chisel away at its keystone, causing it to crumble. I could go around doing that to many bridges, one at a time.
Would it be in my power to make the entire bridge crumble at once in one sweep?
All the bridges i've gone around collapsing, could i make them all simulatenously crumble with a single exertion? ❌
When Abraxas has been shown to be able to manipulate the matter of an entire universe at any given time, or destroy a reality in an outburst of power as opposed to attacking its foundations triggering its eventual collapse then you can equate him to the likes of Eternity and beyond.
When Abraxas has shown that he can reach out and simultaneously cause all multiversal realities to crumble as opposed to hopping from universe to universe weakening the structure, then you can count him a multiversal power.
Theres A BIG difference between role and power level. Someone can be labelled a multiversal destroyer, but that doesnt make them a multiversal power. Someone can be a universal scale power but travel from reality to reality causing destruction across the multiverse. They'd be very much universal, they'd just operate on a bigger scale.
If that same person could destroy or manipulate the matter of several universes simulatneously, THEN they would be a multiversal power.
