Starfire Vs Namor · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Jimmy-Chan Senior Member

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
It was both..the fact that she didn't automatically burst into flames was damn good too.
She pulled a good number on Primaid as well...and I'd put a white martian above Namor.

She also got one-shotted by another White Martian in the same story arc. In fact, the White Martians stated that WW and Aquaman combined were less formidable than a single pacifist Daxamite. What she did to Primaid was based on skill rather than strength (drawing her into space and outlasting her in lung capacity.) WW's been handled easily by Martians (white and otherwise) elsewhere.

Nevertheless, I'll admit her showing against Primaid and the punch to the other WM were impressive. However, Namor can easily duplicate those feats.

snoopdogg Big Pimpin

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
1. WW "helping" with a lift doesn't count as an individual feat, especially when there are being stronger than her helping with it.

I kinda agree.

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan

3. Namor's best environmental feat is probably that enormous earthquak caused by his collision with The Hulk.

Take your own advice. Would that count as a individual feat? 😱

snoopdogg Big Pimpin

Originally posted by bigbran
No, all he said was that he has been hitten harder, then it shows a reference to the fight with Thor and Beta, in Blood and Thunder.

That does not sound like a "one-shot" to me.

Jimmy-Chan Senior Member

Not exactly, but Namor was portrayed as easily The Hulk's equal in strength in that instance. Regardless, as I stated, I go by battle hiearchy rather than environmental feats. But if you want to go by environmental feats, WW has more than her fair share of embarrassing showings.

SpunkySmurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Not exactly, but Namor was portrayed as easily The Hulk's equal in strength in that instance. Regardless, as I stated, I go by [B]battle hiearchy rather than environmental feats. But if you want to go by environmental feats, WW has more than her fair share of embarrassing showings. [/B]

Well, if WW has embarrassing enviromental showings, Namor certainly has the equivalent in battle showings

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

The struggle to lift that anchor springs to mind.

Accel Senior Member

I'd give Kory the majority purely because of her nova blasts.

Devil Lance DL

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Do you have [B]ANY basis for such a statement other than preconceived notions? I'm going by Namor's performances against people such as:
*The Hulk
*Thor
*Iron Man
*The Silver Surfer
*Wonder Man
*Hercules
*The Thing
*Captain Mar-Vell
*War Machine
*Shrugging off The In-Betweener's attack, despite the fact that it KOed She-Hulk
He has been portrayed as an equal to The Hulk ON LAND before. Saying he is nowhere near Superman is to say that Thor is not a peer to Supes.
No one else of a high power level TRIED to take it out and I don't see any evidence of Braniac being KOed. In fact, Starfire lost to the Braniac that inhabited Indigo's body.
What # and was she portrayed as Starfire's superior HTH?
Are you serious? She was blaming him for Donna's death and trying to make him feel her pain. It had no effect on him.
Um, whatever. It's completely consistent with like every other time she's blasted a top tier.
WTF are you talking about? He was just standing there taking her blast, then the second he unleashed the Astro-Force, he effortlessly overpowered and KOed her. She doesn't match, withstand, or remain conscious against the Astro-Force for even a single panel. Orion, OTOH, is unharmed and talking as he is engulfed by her blast.
The first one, yeah. Lex beating her ass in the Insiders arc was Geoff Johns, however. In fact, he took her blast to no effect. Then in the next issue of the arc, Superboy was tearing Lex's armor apart.
Starfire also stated she may break her hand hitting Supergirl.
And I still don't. [/B]

First of don't go by feat written by Jeph loeb

He's the amzing writer who had superman break Wonder Woam's aegis braclets
whcih have withstood a blast from anm entir epantheon of gods
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=ww21deflection34yb.jpg
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=ww21deflection40gj.jpg
http://img213.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img213&image=ww21deflection53pu.jpg
apparently Superman> an entire pantheon of gods
yep theres a writer who knows lots about the characters hes writing 🙄

now you say Namor has beaten peole who could beat ww I dissagree

Look who ww has stalemated or beaten

CM after he had sucker punched her
http://img9.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img9&image=WaroftheGods01_24.jpg
http://img9.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img9&image=WaroftheGods01_32.jpg
http://img74.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img74&image=WaroftheGods01_35.jpg

a white martian
http://img295.echo.cx/my.php?image=jla00411n0qb.jpg
http://img295.echo.cx/my.php?image=jla00414b1lm.jpg

Kabalik
http://img176.echo.cx/my.php?image=act600pre10ml.jpg
http://img176.echo.cx/my.php?image=act600pre20gh.jpg
http://img296.echo.cx/my.php?image=act600pre37wm.jpg

Superman
http://img300.echo.cx/my.php?image=act600bat16nd.jpg
http://img300.echo.cx/my.php?image=act600bat26zp.jpg
http://img300.echo.cx/my.php?image=act600bat34uw.jpg
http://img41.echo.cx/my.php?image=action600bat46ym.jpg
http://img41.echo.cx/my.php?image=action600bat51pr.jpg

Devil Lance DL

Some more fights

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

There's another WW/SM fight iirc where Circe has turned SM into a Doomsday/SM amalgam.

Devil Lance DL

and if thats still not enough
Heres some scans from JLA/ Avengers which is considered cannon in the DCU as it has been mentioned sevral time

WW vs Marvel Hercules
http://img195.echo.cx/my.php?image=jlaavengers2wwherc11rl.jpg
http://img149.echo.cx/my.php?image=jlaavengers2wwherc26ic.jpg
http://img149.echo.cx/my.php?image=jlaavengers2wwherc37mn.jpg
http://img225.echo.cx/my.php?image=jlaavengers2wwherc43an.jpg

Now heres quite a big feat
all thes heroes could not break one of Quasar's construct

http://img237.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img237&image=quaze14fc.jpg
but WW can
http://img145.echo.cx/my.php?image=sconstructs7tx.jpg

Heres WW beating the entire Wrecking Crew
http://img252.echo.cx/my.php?image=jlaavengers4wwbeatingwreckingc.jpg

lastly from JLA avengers

heres WW taking down Fing Fang Foom
http://img245.echo.cx/my.php?image=jlaavengers1beatingfinfangfoom.jpg
http://img241.echo.cx/my.php?image=jlaavengers1finfangfoombeatenb.jpg
now heres her stat sheet from the Omac project
http://img247.echo.cx/my.php?image=countdowntoinfinitecrisis12013.jpg
and heres Supermans

http://img247.echo.cx/my.php?image=countdowntoinfinitecrisis01200.jpg

Devil Lance DL

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's another WW/SM fight iirc where Circe has turned SM into a Doomsday/SM amalgam.

yep
WW holding back vs Blood Lusted Superman
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175101ng.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175149zc.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175157gc.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175164vu.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175195fa.jpg

http://img311.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175263rn.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175290qq.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175304cl.jpg

http://img333.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175327qf.jpg

now you might ask what does WW do after that ahrsh fight with Supes?
She carries a huge ship and saves it from crashing into the city

http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175336nj.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175355uj.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman175368hb.jpg
which brings me to another feat heres what she did afte rher fight with superman in sacrifice
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12052005072544pm8de.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12052005072715pm8mm.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12052005072826pm4gn.jpg

Devil Lance DL

I'd also like to bring up this point the moon moving feat isn't her biggest one

Oh no this is
http://img146.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img146&image=jla75p401kf.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img146&image=jla75p414hj.jpg

now Chan do you still honestly beleive Namor could beat WW

Lucid Lui Air Laki Laki

That's not really her feat though is it? Bringing combined feats into a debate is kinda useless unless it's specifically stated how much of the work she's doing.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
That's not really her feat though is it? Bringing combined feats into a debate is kinda useless unless it's specifically stated how much of the work she's doing.

I think it's more specifically meant to show she's of similar strength to Superman and Martian Manhunter, and by corollary stronger than Namor.

Devil Lance DL

Okay back to Starfie Vs Namor

in outsiders 31 the last Starfire vs Black fire

Powered up Blackfire sent out an energy signal so powerfull it actually fooled Starfir einto thinking that Blackfire was Tamaran's Godess X'hall.

Now amped up Blackfire who fooled Satrfire into beleving that she was X'hall because of ehr power levels was shocked and in aw by sheer power of Kory's nova balst saying that even with her power booost she had never seen anything like it before

The Nova blast Ko'ed her for a good amount of time

Devil Lance DL

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
That's not really her feat though is it? Bringing combined feats into a debate is kinda useless unless it's specifically stated how much of the work she's doing.

🙄

She's obiviously doing some of the work

lets say Superman pulled 50% of it MM pulled 30% and WW pulled 20%

she still pulled well over 100 tons 😉

Lucid Lui Air Laki Laki

Don't get me wrong, i think it's a great feat. I'm just saying, it's not the best feat to use in a debate because it isn't definitive.

But yeah, as x pointed out, it does show what class she runs in.

Devil Lance DL

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Don't get me wrong, i think it's a great feat. I'm just saying, it's not the best feat to use in a debate because it isn't definitive.
But yeah, as x pointed out, it does show what class she runs in.

I guess 😉

You do however think WW is in a whole diffrent league compared to namor atleast out of water right 🙂

Lucid Lui Air Laki Laki

She's definately stronger.