Originally posted by PVS
is that based on actual penetration? if so then it doesnt paint a full picture, you know?
Yeah it is based on penetration. Its based on the reported statistics Unreported things we cannot know for sure.
It is rather realistic, since female criminality is fairly a new thing.
Furthermore, American Crime Survey and British Crime Survey, together with Police reports have reported that 1 in 3 women have been sexually harrassed, abused, raped or had cohearced sex.
(not all at once, but one in three has experienced one or more of the above)
Furthermore, there is a HUGE raise in male rapes. Unfortunately they are commited by other men, against gay men.
Also violence in same sex couples, incliding women has been raising.
If you include women rape of a women, statistics are weird too.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yes. Rape, as a concept is a huge social issue. It cannot be described as a single cause of it, nor can it be simplified into ''sexual urges'' as a cause.Why doesn't anyone says ''oh its what animals do'' when a mother kills its baby. Animals do it all the time - she can't help it. Well, then that makes it ok then.
Not only is suggesting men rape out of urge, offencive to men everywhere, it basically understands it as a natural occurance.
But it is not used as justification. Just as cause.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
So mother killing her baby after birth, it is the cause of the nature that she has done so.
Nope, mothers don't suddenly develop natural motherly instinct to kill their babies. It's a combination of elements such as stress, depression, anger, resentment, anxiety and so on.
So, as you say, men's sexual urges aren't the reason they rape, or not the sole reason at least.
Originally posted by Syren
Nope, mothers don't suddenly develop natural motherly instinct to kill their babies. It's a combination of elements such as stress, depression, anger, resentment, anxiety and so on.So, as you say, men's sexual urges aren't the reason they rape, or not the sole reason at least.
...and depression, stress, anger and resentment aren't natural causes....since when?
Originally posted by Bardock42
...and depression, stress, anger and resentment aren't natural causes....since when?
That's not what I meant. Lils is saying that sexual urges aren't the only reason men rape, yet this is what is blamed. She gave an example that a mother killing her newborn baby isn't a natural motherly instinct, as a man raping a woman isn't a natural sexual instinct. I just mentioned other factors that could contribute. I don't recall saying these elements were unnatural shrug
Originally posted by Bardock42
...and depression, stress, anger and resentment aren't natural causes....since when?
They are not natural causes. In most cases they are learnt behvaiours. Depression is a psychological disproder.
Resentment is a learnt behaviour, so is stress.
The fact that rape does not stream from natural sources is clear. If that was the case EVERY SINGLE male would have urge to rape, or would have raped a women.
Same goes for mothers. If the nature is the core of the problem, then ALL women would initially kill one of their children after birth - but they don't.
So that theory is bullshit, since it does not include MAJORITY of human population.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
They are not natural causes. In most cases they are learnt behvaiours. Depression is a psychological disproder.Resentment is a learnt behaviour, so is stress.
The fact that rape does not stream from natural sources is clear. If that was the case EVERY SINGLE male would have urge to rape, or would have raped a women.
Same goes for mothers. If the nature is the core of the problem, then ALL women would initially kill one of their children after birth - but they don't.
So that theory is bullshit, since it does not include MAJORITY of human population.
No, most males have sexual urges. Also, why do you think that everything that is natural has apply to everyone the same? We are not all that different from animals to be fair, we have some social structures that go against it. But though sexual urges might not be the sole cause for rape they are an important factor for sure. That is basically undeniable. Urges for dominance and such might be reasons as well. But they again are natural urges.
Originally posted by Syren
That's not what I meant. Lils is saying that sexual urges aren't the only reason men rape, yet this is what is blamed. She gave an example that a mother killing her newborn baby isn't a natural motherly instinct, as a man raping a woman isn't a natural sexual instinct. I just mentioned other factors that could contribute. I don't recall saying these elements were unnatural shrug
Okay, it just seems that it is denied that sexual urges are a part of it. They are.
You mean it is not a common natural urge? Well, you should say that. Since when you say it is not a natural urge you deny that it is natural. Despite being natural.
let me be more clear. it is not uncommon for woman to grope an perform nonconsentual sex acts on a man.
the flaws in the figure regarding penetration rape is:
- a woman performing anal on a man is very unconventional. sure it happens, but lets be realistic in saying that the majority of women that would force themselves on a man are not driving for his anus, they are driving for his package, and since you can only grope/perform oral in such a case, its not considered rape, is it?
- humiliation/immasculation. common sense dictates that a man is far less likely to report an act of harassment/groping/rape etc. given the laughable stigma which would be attached to them. even courts and media treat such occurrances as a joke and when they bother to print it its usually just a humor/fluff article. kinda the same mentallity as when a woman rapes a little boy. double standards.
Does anybody realistically want to explain to me how rape "isn't caused by natural causes"?
I'd ask the girl herself but she has this habit of ignoring me, so I'll ask you lot. Just because sexual urges aren't the only reason it doesn't mean they're not the main reason. It's sex, how can anybody say it's not about natural urges...or sexual urges? It's a natural urge taken too far. It's not unnatural just because it's "wrong", it's just...wrong.
Originally posted by Syren
So, as you say, men's sexual urges aren't the reason they rape, or not the sole reason at least.
Nah, they have forced sexual intercourse because it's nothing to do with sex, I'm sure.
-AC