Originally posted by Bardock42
Like a piano or like a chinese doll that one shouldn't touch cause it can break easily?
Originally posted by Kelly_LS
I guess you can say both. I won't give you the full details unless you want them all, which you don't, so to make a long story short I fell for him, we acted compassionate to each other when together, but he'd lie constantly to my face while looking me in the eyes and not regret any of it, and is currently chasing another girl down, and has already kissed her in school.
I would like the full story. I am quite entertained by teenage drama. So if you would not mind telling me I'd be all for it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I do actually. Not that I use it. Or know how to use it.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I don't believe I have ever suggest one can know for definitive weather a rape has taken a place or not.Rape is a social problem, and it does not stream out of urge, and cannot be solved by castrating men, or whatever.
Even if I can know for sure that someone has raped someone else, I am not sure I would support the measure of castration, still.
Without getting into the whole cause of rape argument, I read your post as sarcasm. Apparently it wasn't.
Originally posted by BackFire
Why waste the government's time and money paying for a castration when we can just throw them in prison and let the other inmates do it for us? Prisoners usually beat the shit out of rapist prisoners, sometimes castrating/sodomising them. Saves us time and money. Ah, the wonders of justice.
I'd like to say more - including female rapists but I really don't have time. I'm sure there are many intelligent unbiased people who would make light of why when a man sexually abuses he did it knowingly and is totally responsible and when a women does it she is mentally ill etc.
I am still unsure what to make of the question in this thread. When looking at false rape allegations I think you will find this article EXTREMELY enlightening: The main point illustrating: the vast majority of rape allegations made to the police are false, but the government and the media do not want you to know this.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Without getting into the whole cause of rape argument, I read your post as sarcasm. Apparently it wasn't.
It might have been. Depending on whom I was replying to, and how I was feeling at the moment...
And the reasons for rape - If i remember correctly you are one of those people who supports Thornihill and Patterson regarding biological urges which cause rape.
We are not gonna agree on that in any case - since that theory is too positivistic fr my liking, especially when its used to explain SOCIAL phenomenon.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
It might have been. Depending on whom I was replying to, and how I was feeling at the moment...And the reasons for rape - If i remember correctly you are one of those people who supports Thornihill and Patterson regarding biological urges which cause rape.
We are not gonna agree on that in any case - since that theory is too positivistic fr my liking, especially when its used to explain SOCIAL phenomenon.
Wow, one more time for idiots, please.
What do them Patterson and Thornihill folks say?
What is positivistic?
What is your POV?
Originally posted by Akira99
And I DO NOT approve of any kind of rape but I do NOT think men are born rapistsI'd like to say more - including female rapists but I really don't have time. I'm sure there are many intelligent unbiased people who would make light of why when a man sexually abuses he did it knowingly and is totally responsible and when a women does it she is mentally ill etc.
I am still unsure what to make of the question in this thread. When looking at false rape allegations I think you will find this article EXTREMELY enlightening: The main point illustrating: the vast majority of rape allegations made to the police are false, but the government and the media do not want you to know this.
No, men are not born rapists. And ho are you going to compare female rapists when less than 2% are females, and an overwhelming majority of those are captured for child molestation, or child sexual abuse.
Second, the link you posted shows an absolute ignorance of rape. It was written by a pumpped up prick with absolutey no knowledge of the trends of rape reporting.
As for ''deserved'' rape - there is no such thing, HOWEVER, I will say that women who think they can get drunk, fall all over the place go with all knds of dodgy guys, night after night, are going to get themselves in trouble.
The idea of women sexual liberation does not equal reckless behaviour and stupidity.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Wow, one more time for idiots, please.What do them Patterson and Thornihill folks say?
What is positivistic?
What is your POV?
Ha, sorry.
Thornhill et al say that rape is more or less natural, because naimals engage in cohearsive behaviour, so man raping could be a sexual urge (as far as I gathered, although Thornhill uses lots of scientific words, I don't get)
Positivism is this stupid thing in social science where people believe that social science can copare to natural sciences when it comes to facts.
So like, they use natural sciences to explain something and then come up with a theory for it.
What causes rape, for example.
Now thats stupid, because as far as social thing goes, you cant put everyone under the same umbrella.
Some people rape because they hate women, other rape because they need to feel power, some rape for...some other reason (like spiking a drink then taking girl who is unconcious), then some people may rape out of some other reason I havent got yet...
I don't like the idea that any social phenomenon can be put down under one thing - social things cannot be generalised, becuse people act in different ways and for different reasons.
Oh and my point of view - well I belive there is a range of things which cause rape.
I also believe that irresponsibility of women can get them in trouble. Women NEED to take care, and keep away from psychos, and in fact try not to get themselves in a difficult position.
Thats those who can help it, of course.
Small minority of rapes happen at random - a lot of people who rape know their victim. A lot of epople get drunk, the boy and a girl, and a girl might have said no, and the guy was..whatever.
There are many many many reasons why people rape or get raped, but ''biological'' reason is the one I hate the most.
Idea that men couldn't control themselves is uncomprehansable to me.
It is also an insult to men all over the world.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
As for ''deserved'' rape - there is no such thing, HOWEVER, I will say that women who think they can get drunk, fall all over the place go with all knds of dodgy guys, night after night, are going to get themselves in trouble.
kinda like i always say: there is a huge difference between deserving something and asking for it/having it coming. some idiot frat boy who drinks a half keg of beer to impress his friends doesnt deserve to die of alcohol poisoning, but he certainly has it coming. i think when the majority can grasp this concept the whole rape topic (and many other topics) will not be so potentially offensive.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Ha, sorry.Thornhill et al say that rape is more or less natural, because naimals engage in cohearsive behaviour, so man raping could be a sexual urge (as far as I gathered, although Thornhill uses lots of scientific words, I don't get)
Positivism is this stupid thing in social science where people believe that social science can copare to natural sciences when it comes to facts.
So like, they use natural sciences to explain something and then come up with a theory for it.
What causes rape, for example.Now thats stupid, because as far as social thing goes, you cant put everyone under the same umbrella.
Some people rape because they hate women, other rape because they need to feel power, some rape for...some other reason (like spiking a drink then taking girl who is unconcious), then some people may rape out of some other reason I havent got yet...
I don't like the idea that any social phenomenon can be put down under one thing - social things cannot be generalised, becuse people act in different ways and for different reasons.
Oh and my point of view - well I belive there is a range of things which cause rape.
I also believe that irresponsibility of women can get them in trouble. Women NEED to take care, and keep away from psychos, and in fact try not to get themselves in a difficult position.Thats those who can help it, of course.
Small minority of rapes happen at random - a lot of people who rape know their victim. A lot of epople get drunk, the boy and a girl, and a girl might have said no, and the guy was..whatever.
There are many many many reasons why people rape or get raped, but ''biological'' reason is the one I hate the most.
Idea that men couldn't control themselves is uncomprehansable to me.
It is also an insult to men all over the world.
Wait, so you don't think that rape occurs due to sexual urges in people (predominantly males...well, in the UK per definition only males? Or do you mean it also has other factors?
Also, don't you think that some Biological information can explain social behaviour as it is? I mean. There certainly are parallels.
No, because animals don't rape. And the reasons animals don't rape is because they do not have any concept of sex.
Also, the biggest percentage of all rapists have done it only ONCE. It is rare that the ofences are repeat, and if they are, they are against a single victim.
Majority know their victim, so its not like they had this urge all of a sudden and had to fullfill it. If that was the case, random victim cases would be greater.
Obviously, this is my view on things - people who specialise within rape as a phenomenon disagree all the time. its mostly to do with whos idea makes the most sense to you.
There are few types of established rapists -
Power rapists - who rape women to feel power. Some proportion of these cases happen in middle class families, when woman has a better standing then the man.
It also happens in families, etc..
Anger Rapists - those who hate women, and they are the ones who beat or even kill women after rape.
Some rapists, interviewd in priosn, i thoink around 75% of them said they lost the erection during middle of rape, but they continued with anything they could find. They also beat the victimes a lot, and in some cases killed them.
There are other rape groups which don't really fit in either -
like those sexual predators who spike other peoples drinks, then have sex with them while victim is unconcious...or perhaps those who claim that they couldnt help the urge (although i have never read anyone claiming that...but possible)
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No, because animals don't rape. And the reasons animals don't rape is because they do not have any concept of sex.
many animals do engage in nonconsentual sex. sure they dont consciously think it's rape or have any concept of consent or morallity, as the females doesnt experience trauma. but lets face it, many females in the animal kingdom, by our definition of 'rape', are raped. not implying any evil to it, but just saying...
Originally posted by Smasandian
What happens if the person gets aquitted after new evidence is brought in?
He's lucky to be alive and should appreciate the fact that we don't go death sentence on his ass.
Kidding.
But seriously, I think yes. In certain cases only. Where there is any uncertainty, life imprisonment should suffice... obviously until this new evidence appears.
Originally posted by PVS
many animals do engage in nonconsentual sex. sure they dont consciously think it's rape or have any concept of consent or morallity, as the females doesnt experience trauma. but lets face it, many females in the animal kingdom, by our definition of 'rape', are raped. not implying any evil to it, but just saying...
Animals have no concept of sex, other than mating. A male has ''cohersive'' with a female, they had babies, and the world goes on.
We have a different concpet of sex, sexual intercourse, etc...thus it would be very silly to copare it.
Second, I would like to think that as humans we can control ourselves, and I know too many men, who would be offended at the thought that they cannot control their sexual urges.
Animals can have cohersed sex (which is how Thornhill refers to it) - yeah I can shit in the woods, but I still know how to use a toilet.