What's worse: Pedophiles or Murderers?

Originally posted by Starhawk
I already did. Shame that you can't see that.

I made the distinction between those that THINK about commiting crime and those that COMMIT crimes.

I did not ask you that...

I asked you to define what these two people are:

A grown adult who masturbates over the thought of children...

A grown adult who watches child pornography....

Are they pedophiles or not ? Please answer the question, you are looking really desparate and pathetic now, that you cannot answer a SIMPLE fkn question with a direct, accurate, and relevant answer.

Starhawk, everybody can see that you did not, in fact, answer his question. I even gave you a template for what he wants your answer to look like; you can use it free of charge.

Judge: Does your client plead guilty or innocent ?

Starhawk: Sometimes people are guilty, sometimes they are not. Innocent people should not be treated guilty.

Judge: Once again, does your client plead guilty or innocent ?

Starhawk: I already answered that...

Judge: No you didn't, answer me now: Guilty or Innocent ?

Starhawk: Sometimes people are really innocent when they are thought to be guilty, we should only punish guilty people...

Judge: Motherf*cker ! Just ANSWER the damn question ! INNOCENT OR GUILTY ??????

.................

Starhawk: I already answered you. I made a clear distinction between someone who is innocent, and someone who is guilty. It's amazing that you cannot see that.

Judge: 😬 Can you please just answer my question ?

The judge can put him in contempt of court, though, so he's one up on us.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I never once said anyone on here was in favor of child rape, that's just sick.

yeah:

Originally posted by Starhawk
It's missplaced pity like yours that allows these monsters to keep on offending.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Well you can have your bleeding heart view of sympathy for rapists, pedophiles and murderers.

no, just that we support child rapists, as opposed to the human rights of someone with a mental disorder "pedophelia", the definition of which you refuse to acknowledge because....well ill just say it, you're a thick headed fool

Originally posted by Starhawk
And I know the legal definition, I myself believe the term applies somewhat border definition.

Originally posted by Starhawk
People are getting more and more sick of these things being given a slap pn the wrist and some are starting to take the law into their own hands. This I do not support but it does show that society is tired of our more then LAX attitude towards these monsters.

now you're doing it again. liar. hypocrite.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I think where child rapists and molesters are living should be made public knowledge in order to prevent harm to society.

NOW you seem to be getting your terminology straight. wasnt too hard was it?
or you can keep playing the bait and switch game, making up definitions for words, and attacking people as "bleedhearted" because they dont support exterminating those with mental disorders. (btw i think hitler was the last person in the western world to enact such a policy)

Yes I did, perhaps not simplistically enough for your tastes but I did.

Let's try again,

While they may share the same label, I do make a disticntion between someone who THINKS or has FANASTYS about crime and those the COMMIT them.

As long as the person does not ACTUALLY rape or in any way assualt a child then they have not committed a crime and cannot be punished.

However, if the person watching the child porn is the OWNER or HOLDER of the pron then the can be charged for possesion.

I am not dumbing it down to a yes or no awnser that you can twist into whatever you like.

I've awnsered, if you can't understand it get an adult to help.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Yes I did, perhaps not simplistically enough for your tastes but I did.

Let's try again,

While they may share the same label, I do make a disticntion between someone who THINKS or has FANASTYS about crime and those the COMMIT them.

As long as the person does not ACTUALLY rape or in any way assualt a child then they have not committed a crime and cannot be punished.

However, if the person watching the child porn is the OWNER or HOLDER of the pron then the can be charged for possesion.

I am not dumbing it down to a yes or no awnser that you can twist into whatever you like.

I've awnsered, if you can't understand it get an adult to help.

thats great....so.......are you going to answer the question? what are they called?

and no, they do not share the same "label", but rather share the same mental disorder. get it? or are we moving too fast?

Starhawk, you in no way, shape, or form answered his question. You believe that pedophiles are people who rape children; you're wrong, but whatever. Let's pretend you're right. Therefore, people who fantasize about having sex with children are not pedophiles, since they're not actually raping children.

If people who fantasize about having sex with children are not pedophiles, then what are they?

That is what Lord Urizen wants you to tell him. And by this point, PVS and myself are pretty curious as well.

I said you feel sympathy for them, I never once said you supported their actions, one does not mean the other. And legal system DOES have a LAX attitude towards this, again this doesn't mean they support it, just that they don't take serious enough steps to stop it.

And I also said that I only support executing those that COMMIT these crimes, not those that only THINK about it.

If a person attacks a child I say ending his life is a price worth paying to protect all those other children he COULD attack. The saftey of society has to come first.

Originally posted by Gregory
Starhawk, you in no way, shape, or form answered his question. You believe that pedophiles are people who rape children; you're wrong, but whatever. Let's pretend you're right. Therefore, people who fantasize about having sex with children are not pedophiles, since they're not actually raping children.

[b]If people who fantasize about having sex with children are not pedophiles, then what are they?

That is what Lord Urizen wants you to tell him. And by this point, PVS and myself are pretty curious as well. [/B]

I did awsner, you don't like the awnser? deal with it

Originally posted by Starhawk
I said you feel sympathy for them, I never once said you supported their actions, one does not mean the other. And legal system DOES have a LAX attitude towards this, again this doesn't mean they support it, just that they don't take serious enough steps to stop it.

i have no sympathy at all for a child rapist. i may be against the death penaly, but that has everything to do with my expectations for human morality in law rather than sympathy for any criminals, though strawman bashers who cant follow a debate will usually declare the latter for the 'win' 😬

i guess im just a bleedheart for being able to comprehend the definitions of words as opposed to making up my own and expecting to be taken seriously in a forum of debate....stupid me, huh?

Originally posted by Starhawk
And I also said that I only support executing those that COMMIT these crimes, not those that only THINK about it.

so you think child rapists should be killed, but pedophelia, defined by every english dictionary as a mental disorder involving sexual attraction to children, in itself is not a crime. great. making progress....i think

Originally posted by Starhawk
If a person attacks a child I say ending his life is a price worth paying to protect all those other children he COULD attack. The saftey of society has to come first.

wait....ending who's life? a child rapist or anyone who is a pedophile?

Someone who COMMITS the crime. And I'm not sure if Canadian law defines it as you do, I will check into it.

i like how you're using euphamisms to avoid admitting that pedophelia is simply a mental disorder and not in itself a crime.

I did awsner, you don't like the awnser? deal with it

And as I said I will look into Canada's legal definitons.

But society is going to get more and more fed up with these monsters and as much as I don't support it they will take actions into their own hands if the law doesn't get tougher on Child Predators.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I did awsner, you don't like the awnser? deal with it

your answer was garbled nonsense. i find it pathetic that you deliberately avoid recognising the definition of word out of despiration. everyone here can see that you're doing it. makes me wonder why you bother, since nobody is fooled.
then again, you might yet make a good lawyer 🙄

Found it,

ped·o·phil·i·a (pĕd'ə-fĭl'ç-ə, pç'də-)
n.
The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.

ped'o·phile' (-fîl'😉 n.

Excerpt from the "Canadian Law Dictionary"

pedophilia
Pedophilia or paedophilia (see spelling differences) is the paraphilia of being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to prepubescent or peripubescent children. Persons with this attraction are called pedophiles.

In contrast to the generally accepted medical definition, the term pedophile is also used colloquially to denote significantly older adults who are sexually attracted to adolescents below the local age of consent[1], as well as those who have sexually abused a child.

Originally posted by PVS
your answer was garbled nonsense. i find it pathetic that you deliberately avoid recognising the definition of word out of despiration. everyone here can see that you're doing it. makes me wonder why you bother, since nobody is fooled.

Yes.

For God's sake, why are you doing this? Just admit that you got the definition wrong, and move on.

So in Canada under the law they are both called Pedophiles.

Is that a simple enough awnser for you?

**** canada

You are wrong. They even say that that's a colloquiel definition.

My God, they even point out, explicitly, that that's not the medically accepted definition! Do you enjoy embarassing yourself?