What's worse: Pedophiles or Murderers?

this is great...its like...i dont even have to type anymore

Originally posted by Starhawk
So do you agree that those that commit the act should be executed?

Originally posted by PVS
i have no sympathy at all for a child rapist. i may be against the death penaly, but that has everything to do with my expectations for human morality in law rather than sympathy for any criminals, though strawman bashers who cant follow a debate will usually declare the latter for the 'win' 😬

Originally posted by Starhawk
The vast majority of both the legal as well as psychological communities agree that it is uncurable. At least no one has done it so far.

psychosis and schizophrenia are also incurable, though symptoms can be repressed via medication and counselling. again, pedophelia is not a crime , aside from your precious canadian law dictionary. but know that, for the sake of this topic, i refer to people who are afflicted but may or may not act upon their urges.

the problem here is that you dont even adhere to your own definition of pedophile, but rather are playing the semantics game and have now switched the meaning back to simply those with an apparently incurable mental disorder. it seems the definition applies wherever you find it convenient and never where appropriate in a rational debate of ideas and opinions on the issue. but **** rationallity. you're here to win, right champ?

Originally posted by Starhawk
Why shoudl we pay taxes to keep these monsters locked up?

why should we pay taxes to have them killed? why are we so superficial as to allow the topic of tax dollars to be the determining factor in putting a human being to death? (this is the part where you loop it all back and twist my words to imply that i pity murderers and rapists, when in reality i believe that nobody should be put to death)

No i think they should be put to death based on a moral standing but sometimes it helps to get people behind the idea if you bring up taxes as a secondary motivation.

I adhere to the LEGAL definiton of Pedophile.

And I only believe this as far as people who commit crimes under the law.

If a person kills out of self defence then I do not think they should be put to death.

Motive is key, and sometimes the ends justify the means.

If people who actualy COMMIT these crimes need to die to prevent future victims then it's a price worth paying.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I adhere to the LEGAL definiton of Pedophile.

even your precious legal definition acknowledges that there are two meanings to the word. so to deny the other is, even in the eyes of the law, factually incorrect. reading is fundamental.

And one of those meanings includes both thought and act. Meaning a person who sexually assualts a child is also called a Pedophile, welcome to the english language where words have more then one meaning

Alleged meaning, since you won't tell us where it is in the codes, and a legal dictionary does not define the law.

I did tell you read back

So you did; my mistake. I don't see it, though; just "Guardian," "public place," and "theater."

Which website is it from cause allot of them use the 1985 code.

We've gone off topic, but the website is here

It doesnt say but if its the 1985 version it wouldn't have it in there.

It hasn't been updated since 2004, so it can't be that recent. Anyway, I was just wondering.

(And now I'm sort of wondering why they define "theater" in the sex-crimes part of the Code. I suppose it has to do with strippers and the like, but it strikes me as strangely funny, never-the-less. I couldn't really explain why.)

Actually your speaking of a major update. Minor alterations can be made to it any time by the current government as long as they don't violate the constitition.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Yes I did, perhaps not simplistically enough for your tastes but I did.

Let's try again,

While they may share the same label, I do make a disticntion between someone who THINKS or has FANASTYS about crime and those the COMMIT them.

As long as the person does not ACTUALLY rape or in any way assualt a child then they have not committed a crime and cannot be punished.

However, if the person watching the child porn is the OWNER or HOLDER of the pron then the can be charged for possesion.

I am not dumbing it down to a yes or no awnser that you can twist into whatever you like.

I've awnsered, if you can't understand it get an adult to help.

Let's try this again, Buddy....

1) What do you call a person who enjoys watching Child Pornography?

2) What do you call a person who masturbates over the thought of children?

All I need is a simple answer.....

And this was awnsered pages back, read slower.

Originally posted by Starhawk
And this was awnsered pages back, read slower.

Why don't you answer it now? Simple questions. Just answer them.

his only way to debate is an attempt to 'win' via semantics games. he is whats called an 'artful dodger'

If I recall correctly, someone with a paraphilia requires the fetish to be present (in a sense) in order to achieve sexual gratification. Therefore, one who looks at child pornography/masturbates to the thoughts of children is not so much a pedophile--though we, as the general public would classify him as such--as one who has deviant sexual desires.

I could be completely wrong, however...not to mention that the APA have their heads up their asses for some of the criteria for disorders.

Originally posted by FeceMan
If I recall correctly, someone with a paraphilia requires the fetish to be present (in a sense) in order to achieve sexual gratification. Therefore, one who looks at child pornography/masturbates to the thoughts of children is not so much a pedophile-

i dont understand...in order to be able to masturbate over a child dont you have to be a pedophile?

Originally posted by PVS
i dont understand...in order to be able to masturbate over a child dont you have to be a pedophile?

As I lack a copy of the DSM-IV, I cannot be certain of this, however.

but then you contradicted yourself. you said that this wouldnt necessarily make one a pedophile.