What's worse: Pedophiles or Murderers?

Originally posted by PVS
oh, im sorry. i didnt know that you have experience in both being raped as a child as well as dying: as in physical expiration. oh you dont? then how can you have the arrogance and audacity to compare two things of which you know precisely jack shit about?

capital punishment is growing more and more because of hypocritical societies who would rather kill the negative byproducts of their own shortcomings, growing exponentially btw, than find out what social and economic changes need to be made to help the issue. just KILL IT!!!! QUICK!!! OMG THERE'S MORE NOW!!! KILL EM!!!! KILL EM ALL!!!! great solution if your exterminating roaches, however if this is your idea on how to deal with humans i think you are criminally insane and by your own backwards code of morals should be executed.

PVS, he doesn't get it....

He is just as dangerous as any murderer or pedophile, because of his lack of hesitation to take the life of another human being. He is blind to his own hypocrisy, and people like him are arising because of Fear....

Fear causes a person to become this way....now I see it once again, it is very scary.

Originally posted by Starhawk
We have tried treatment, it hasn't worked. And no their needs are second to society's. I tend to place the needs of law abiding people and victims above those of vicious criminals.

What do you mean "ISN'T" working? That is present tense and it's not legal up here right now. it "WOULD" help the situation greatly.

They made a CHOICE to break the law and they deserve the penalties.

No, they don't deserve penalties. Revenge is useless. What is needed is to make society safe from them and maybe to scare others by doing such deeds. You can be for the death penalty. I am just saying that you are killing someone because they killed someone. Hypocritical. End of story.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
PVS, he doesn't get it....

He is just as dangerous as any murderer or pedophile, because of his lack of hesitation to take the life of another human being. He is blind to his own hypocrisy, and people like him are arising because of Fear....

Fear causes a person to become this way....now I see it once again, it is very scary.

Wow, a post full of insults instead of adressing the points I brought up.

We have tried treatment, (Therapy, medication) it hasn't worked. And no their needs are second to society's. I tend to place the needs of law abiding people and victims above those of vicious criminals.

What do you mean "ISN'T" working? That is present tense and it's not legal up here right now. it "WOULD" help the situation greatly.

They made a CHOICE to break the law and they deserve the penalties.

Sorry but idealism like that is best reserved for an ideal world. It's time we stopped being lambs to the slaughter for these Murderers and child rapists and molesters, and started taking our society back for those that can live in it like decent law abiding people.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Sorry but idealism like that is best reserved for an ideal world. It's time we stopped being lambs to the slaughter for these Murderers and child rapists and molesters, and started taking our society back for those that can live in it like decent law abiding people.

its all just baseless idiotic grandstanding...just midless little speeches.

Originally posted by PVS
its all just baseless idiotic grandstanding...just midless little speeches.

Wow, a post full of insults instead of adressing the points I brought up.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Sorry but idealism like that is best reserved for an ideal world. It's time we stopped being lambs to the slaughter for these Murderers and child rapists and molesters, and started taking our society back for those that can live in it like decent law abiding people.

Self Defense is one thing....

Execution is another..once the criminal is in custody, there is no need to kill him/her. It is all just for the sake of revenge.

Death Penalty is becoming more and more common, yet it stops nothing. Crimes will still continue, this method will not work.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Wow, a post full of insults instead of adressing the points I brought up.

there are no valid points in your posts. its just grandstanding. all you are doing is spewing baseless political talking points. like if we were having a debate on the effects of islamic extremism and i just kept repeating "WE LIVE IN DANGEROUS TIMES!!! YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR YOU'RE WITH THE TERRORISTS!!!"

its all just filler and horseshit.
make a valid point and i will address it. spew talking points with no point rhyme or reason and i will call it just what it is: idiotic grandstanding

No it is not for revenge it is to prevent the person from getting out and attacking any more victims and hopefully deter SOME future murders and attacks on children.

And Capital Punishment deters 1st degree crimes, nothing can deter 2nd degree crimes, but in that case we execute them to prevent them from ever doing it again.

I agree it's not an ideal solution and in every other way I am a very left-wing minded person. But in this case we need to take the steps nessecary to protect innocent law abiding citizens from those that CHOOSE to murder and thoose that CHOOSE to sexually attack a child.

Originally posted by PVS
there are no valid points in your posts. its just grandstanding. all you are doing is spewing baseless political talking points. like if we were having a debate on the effects of islamic extremism and i just kept repeating "WE LIVE IN DANGEROUS TIMES!!! YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR YOU'RE WITH THE TERRORISTS!!!"

its all just filler and horseshit.
make a valid point and i will address it. spew talking points with no point rhyme or reason and i will call it just what it is: idiotic grandstanding

Wow, a post full of insults instead of adressing the points I brought up.

that wasnt an insult. its fact. the fact is you're doing nothing but grandstand and make this topic a waste of time. crying about this and nailing yourself to the cross wont solve a thing.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No it is not for revenge it is to prevent the person from getting out and attacking any more victims and hopefully deter SOME future murders and attacks on children.

And Capital Punishment deters 1st degree crimes, nothing can deter 2nd degree crimes, but in that case we execute them to prevent them from ever doing it again.

I agree it's not an ideal solution and in every other way I am a very left-wing minded person. But in this case we need to take the steps nessecary to protect innocent law abiding citizens from those that CHOOSE to murder and thoose that CHOOSE to sexually attack a child.

Originally posted by PVS
that wasnt an insult. its fact. the fact is you're doing nothing but grandstand and make this topic a waste of time. crying about this and nailing yourself to the cross wont solve a thing.

Still just insults and not addressing any points I've brought up.

Originally posted by Starhawk
And Capital Punishment deters 1st degree crimes, nothing can deter 2nd degree crimes,

ok, something resembling a point, only you site no evidence. you can either say that i was insulting you, or you can forsake the copout and meet my challenge: post evidence

that is the only point you have brought up btw. thats IT

Originally posted by ThePittman
Capital Punishment has never shown to deter the crime manly because the person committing the crime doesn’t think they will be caught or doesn’t care in the first place.

And Capital Punishment deters 1st degree crimes, nothing can deter 2nd degree crimes, but in that case we execute them to prevent them from ever doing it again.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No it is not for revenge it is to prevent the person from getting out and attacking any more victims and hopefully deter SOME future murders and attacks on children.

1) Maximum Security Prison will do just fine, thank ya very much...or even a top security insane asylum....

2) Deter only SOME ? Not really effective, is it ?

Originally posted by Starhawk
And Capital Punishment deters 1st degree crimes, nothing can deter 2nd degree crimes, but in that case we execute them to prevent them from ever doing it again.

Why not just put them in prison ? There aint no kids in prison....

Originally posted by Starhawk
I agree it's not an ideal solution and in every other way I am a very left-wing minded person. But in this case we need to take the steps nessecary to protect innocent law abiding citizens from those that CHOOSE to murder and thoose that CHOOSE to sexually attack a child.

Why not toughen up our security ? Why not take measures to know where our children are ? Why not spend more money on teaching people self defense ? Why not have more officers on our streets ? Why not spend more money on psychosis research ? Why not investigate the causes of the disorders that spawn serial killers and child rapists ?

Originally posted by Starhawk
And Capital Punishment deters [B]1st degree crimes, nothing can deter 2nd degree crimes, but in that case we execute them to prevent them from ever doing it again. [/B]

Originally posted by PVS
ok, something resembling a point, only you site no evidence. you can either say that i was insulting you, or you can forsake the copout and meet my challenge: post evidence

that is the only point you have brought up btw. thats IT

And agian more insults, but at least you addressed ONE point.

2nd degree crimes are crimes where you don't plan the crime ahead. an example would be a man walking in on his wife with another man and killing them both. This is a cirme fueled by such intesne emotion that nothing could deter him from doing it. But we execute him to prevent such an occurance from happening again.

1st degree crimes are ones that are planned out in advance and your right allot of times they don't fear the punishment, but if we inact capital punishment AND start giving our local police the funding and manpower they need to do the job then criminals would be less likely to think they will get away with a crime and they would definatly fear the penalties.

In my legal career I will do everything I possibly can to see the Death Penalty re-instated in Canada and I have a load of classmates who feel the same way and are ready to help.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) Maximum Security Prison will do just fine, thank ya very much...or even a top security insane asylum....

2)
Why not just put them in prison ? There aint no kids in prison....

Why not toughen up our security ? Why not take measures to know where our children are ? Why not spend more money on teaching people self defense ? Why not have more officers on our streets ? Why not spend more money on psychosis research ? Why not investigate the causes of the disorders that spawn serial killers and child rapists ?

1) Why should tax dollars that can be spent on health care and other areas for law abiding people be spent on these monsters?

2) Why should we have to live in fear of them?

It cost more to put a convicted killer to death then to keep them alive in confinement plus you also have the chance of killing an innocent man, there are countless cases of people that have been wrongly convicted of crimes and rarely is 100%. I have no fear of someone that is in prison for life as much as I do for the random thug on the street that wants my money or shoes.