What's worse: Pedophiles or Murderers?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That comment wasn't aimed at you

oh i know, its just that we are on familiar ground, so i figured i may as well bring it to light

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Sex isn't illegal, but porn would never make me go out and rape someone (Illegal). Paedophilia is not only illegal but it comes with a stigma that cannot be removed, so it's less likely that someone will go and commit the act after watching it.

hold on, there is flaw in that.
first off, rape and sex=two different things, right? two different mentallities.
so no, i would not assume you would be a rapist if you watched porn, just that you would be likely to have sex with whoever you're getting off over, in the manner in which they are getting off.

with that said, if you got off on rape porn, i would say you are a danger. keep in mind i dont think that law should be changed to prosecute people who watch rape porn, im just stressing a point.

you're biggest flaw in that statement is to say that they are less likely to have sex with a child after watching kiddie porn. unless you mean an hour or so after, given hormonal release, i'll concede. however when has anyone ever got off on porn and felt it "good enough". "oh no thanks, incredibly hot chick, i wont be needing any head...you see....i have this porn".

as i said, porn is temporary release. it is not a patch, solution, replacement etc.

also, a dangerous paraphile's only way of dealing with their problem responsibly is through councelling/medication/whatever it takes to not spend time getting off over the thought of children. im sure many try, lapse, and try again, but to just throw all treatment to the wayside and say "here, have this kiddie porn, whack off, and we'll just pretend that you are a sexual being unlike any other, and can get off on simulated sex and say 'well, thats good enough for me."

pedophilia does not render one a criminal, AC. however it also does not render one a rational thinker. there is alot more to it than physical attraction. its not just some preference, the way some prefer opposite/same sex, and its certainly not some freak occurance that happenes to people raised in a healthy and sound environment. by entertaining sexual deviency (real sexual deviency-a product of trauma/neglect/victimisation, not what whob would call 'sexual deviency'😉 that deviency is justified and perpetuated on the surface. what i mean is it would most likely further deteriorate a pedophile's sense of right and wrong.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I get the whole supply/demand argument; to watch it there has to be people making it, of course. I'm just saying that if people are going to be paedophiles, and there always will be, it's better they jack off than rape a child.

-AC

there will also be psychotic killers. should we allow them to stab and slash animals or force them into treatment? allowing someone of a dangerous deviant psychology to just "have a ball" is a temporary fix and ultimately helps deny and perpetuate the problem.

Well in Canada the term Pedophile under the Criminal Code applies to those that actually assualt children.

I think that Murder is on par with it cause your basically killing a part of that child. They should be be executed.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Well in Canada the term Pedophile under the Criminal Code applies to those that actually assualt children.

I think that Murder is on par with it cause your basically killing a part of that child. They should be be executed.

I think people that call for the execution of people should be executed. Holy shit.....how hypocritical, but you should be used to it.

It's not hypocritical, its not murder Execution is legal in many place in the world.

I don't know about you but I prefer to have our tax dollars going to help law abiding citizens and not paying to keep someone in prison for the rest of their life.

And let's not forget no one put a gun to their head and told them to become a pedophile or murderer, it's a choice they made for themselves.

Originally posted by Starhawk
It's not hypocritical, its not murder Execution is legal in many place in the world.

I don't know about you but I prefer to have our tax dollars going to help law abiding citizens and not paying to keep someone in prison for the rest of their life.

And let's not forget no one put a gun to their head and told them to become a pedophile or murderer, it's a choice they made for themselves.

No, no, but it is killing someone cause they killed someone.

Also, I think society has a duty to protect it's people. But that doesn't mean that they should take people's lives. Just my opinion though. Of course they could. The reason would jsut be hypocritical. Also, to have paedophilic thoughts is not a choice.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Well in Canada the term Pedophile under the Criminal Code applies to those that actually assualt children.

look, champ: you win the thread.

here's your cookie:

now please either argue whats relevant or gtfo

No buts it's a choice to act on them and not seek treatment for them.

And as far as executing, there's a difference, one is a vicious criminal act, the other is a state authorized method of punishment. Motive is key. Executing them prevents the possiblity of any future victims. Society's needs must be placed before the needs of a killer or pedophile, a term which in Canadian Law is used to describe someone who sexually ATTACKS a child and thats the context in which I use the term.

Originally posted by Starhawk
It's not hypocritical, its not murder Execution is legal in many place in the world.

I don't know about you but I prefer to have our tax dollars going to help law abiding citizens and not paying to keep someone in prison for the rest of their life.

And let's not forget no one put a gun to their head and told them to become a pedophile or murderer, it's a choice they made for themselves.

Ask yourself something buddy....

Who do you think signs up to become an Executioner ?

Come on now......

Originally posted by Starhawk
Well in Canada the term Pedophile under the Criminal Code applies to those that actually assualt children.

I think that Murder is on par with it cause your basically killing a part of that child. They should be be executed.

Let's execute everyone we don't like 😄

Hopefully someone who desires to see justice done. And it's usually a doctor is believe that administers the injection.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Let's execute everyone we don't like 😄

What a gross over simplification, we are talking about executing murderers and people who sexually attack children.

ok, i guess this thread has come full circle.

"duh, im gonna come up with my own metaphor for death and try to apply it to actual physical expiration and how it applies to objective law...duuuuuhhhhh"

Originally posted by Starhawk
Hopefully someone who desires to see justice done. And it's usually a doctor is believe that administers the injection.

That's called a murderer....a person who likes to kill is a person who becomes an executioner. A person who doesn't have the cold heart to kill, wouldn't become an executioner....

Originally posted by Starhawk
No buts it's a choice to act on them and not seek treatment for them.

And as far as executing, there's a difference, one is a vicious criminal act, the other is a state authorized method of punishment. Motive is key. Executing them prevents the possiblity of any future victims. Society's needs must be placed before the needs of a killer or pedophile, a term which in Canadian Law is used to describe someone who sexually ATTACKS a child and thats the context in which I use the term.

Nah. One is killing someone. The other is killing someone. Define what you want, that is what you are doing when executing someone. No difference.

Originally posted by Starhawk
What a gross over simplification, we are talking about executing murderers and people who sexually attack children.

So is that the solution to all your problems ? Execution ?

How extemist of you

Originally posted by PVS
ok, i guess this thread has come full circle.

"duh, im gonna come up with my own metaphor for death and try to apply it to actual physical expiration and how it applies to objective law...duuuuuhhhhh"

What an immature response, your not helping sway people to your views with posts like that.

Read again,

And as far as executing, there's a difference, one is a vicious criminal act, the other is a state authorized method of punishment. Motive is key. Executing them prevents the possiblity of any future victims. Society's needs must be placed before the needs of a killer or pedophile, a term which in Canadian Law is used to describe someone who sexually ATTACKS a child and thats the context in which I use the term.

And the push up here to reinstate Capital Punishment is growing more and more due to people being frustrated over the growing instances of these types of vicious crimes.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So is that the solution to all your problems ? Execution ?

How extemist of you

I never said anything like, I said to these 2 spacific groups.

We live in a very harsh world, and we need harsh solutions.

Originally posted by Starhawk
What an immature response, your not helping sway people to your views with posts like that.

What are you talking about ? I agree with him entirely....

Originally posted by Starhawk
Read again,

How dare you demand he read something you wrote again when you haven't even answered my earlier questions.....

Originally posted by Starhawk
And as far as executing, there's a difference, one is a vicious criminal act, the other is a state authorized method of punishment. Motive is key. Executing them prevents the possiblity of any future victims. Society's needs must be placed before the needs of a killer or pedophile, a term which in Canadian Law is used to describe someone who sexually ATTACKS a child and thats the context in which I use the term.

1) Murderers and Pedophiles are part of Society. So thier needs count 😛

2) Execution and Murder are both killing. One is no better than the other.

Originally posted by Starhawk
And the push up here to reinstate Capital Punishment is growing more and more due to people being frustrated over the growing instances of these types of vicious crimes.

What does that tell you ? That Capital Punishment, maybe isn't working ???

So let's slaughter hundreds and hundreds of people, instread of trying to come up with treatments for this mental disorder ?

Originally posted by Starhawk
What an immature response, your not helping sway people to your views with posts like that.

Read again,

And as far as executing, there's a difference, one is a vicious criminal act, the other is a state authorized method of punishment. Motive is key. Executing them prevents the possiblity of any future victims. Society's needs must be placed before the needs of a killer or pedophile, a term which in Canadian Law is used to describe someone who sexually ATTACKS a child and thats the context in which I use the term.

And the push up here to reinstate Capital Punishment is growing more and more due to people being frustrated over the growing instances of these types of vicious crimes.

oh, im sorry. i didnt know that you have experience in both being raped as a child as well as dying: as in physical expiration. oh you dont? then how can you have the arrogance and audacity to compare two things of which you know precisely jack shit about?

capital punishment is growing more and more because of hypocritical societies who would rather kill the negative byproducts of their own shortcomings, growing exponentially btw, than find out what social and economic changes need to be made to help the issue. just KILL IT!!!! QUICK!!! OMG THERE'S MORE NOW!!! KILL EM!!!! KILL EM ALL!!!! great solution if your exterminating roaches, however if this is your idea on how to deal with humans i think you are criminally insane and by your own backwards code of morals should be executed.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

1) Murderers and Pedophiles are part of Society. So thier needs count 😛

What does that tell you ? That Capital Punishment, maybe isn't working ???

So let's slaughter hundreds and hundreds of people, instread of trying to come up with treatments for this mental disorder ?

We have tried treatment, it hasn't worked. And no their needs are second to society's. I tend to place the needs of law abiding people and victims above those of vicious criminals.

What do you mean "ISN'T" working? That is present tense and it's not legal up here right now. it "WOULD" help the situation greatly.

They made a CHOICE to break the law and they deserve the penalties.