Originally posted by StarhawkSo you also want to take out the appeal process? That is a sure way of killing wrongly convicted people. The only thing that you have address is you own personal opinion, you have not provided any factual basis for you idea, you have said that you have looked at all the criteria so you must have some references for this but have provided none. Your argument is very flawed from a legal and social stand point. You view on this in not of law at all but vengeance.
It only costs more due to the appeal process, The actual cost of the needle isn't that much.And I already addressed your other points.
The only way you fix a problem it to go after the source of the problem which this idea doesn’t you are trying to lock the barn door after the horses have left. You will do nothing to stem the tide of killing and raping but just getting revenge on the people doing it and I don’t know why you don’t see this. You are trying to fix a problem by treating the effect not the cause. Here is an analogy for you.
A farmer has some horses in a barn and they keep getting out. His friend tells him that he needs a door to keep them in but the farmer says that is not the problem it because the horses keep leaving their stalls so he shoots them and gets some more but the horses don’t understand and keep leaving so he shoots them as well. Until he gets a door he is only killing horses and not fixing the problem.
Originally posted by StarhawkNo it fits exactly to the situation, by killing the murders and rapists you are doing nothing to stop them from doing the crime in the first place. You haven’t put in the barn door, stopping them in the first place; you are only shooting them after they have already committed the crime. They are still committing the crimes, you killed the one that did the first one and then they won’t do it again but the next guy does it and then you kill him then the next guy and the next guy and so forth.
Your analogy is no wheere near appropriate to the situation. You see this one way and I see it another. Thankfully I will be in a postion to try and make my way into law.
Originally posted by ThePittman
No it fits exactly to the situation, by killing the murders and rapists you are doing nothing to stop them from doing the crime in the first place. You haven’t put in the barn door, stopping them in the first place; you are only shooting them after they have already committed the crime. They are still committing the crimes, you killed the one that did the first one and then they won’t do it again but the next guy does it and then you kill him then the next guy and the next guy and so forth.
An imperfect solution for an imperfect world. Tough times require tough solutions.
And my belief in the rule of order and law is the only thing that prevents me from what I'd really like to do to them.
Originally posted by StarhawkThen you are being the perfect hypocrite, by being or becoming a lawyer you are supposed to up hold the rule of law and not your idea or it, you have already stated that law and justice are two different creatures. If you acknowledge that it is an imperfect solution then why would you want to devote your life to it? Just remind me to never get you as a lawyer. 😉
An imperfect solution for an imperfect world. Tough times require tough solutions.And my belief in the rule of order and law is the only thing that prevents me from what I'd really like to do to them.
Originally posted by Starhawk
But it will stop people from commiting the same crime again. And I honestly believe their are cases where it is a fitting punishment.
It will stop a single person from committing that same crime again...yes...definately...it will not stop other people from committing that crime however 🙁
A peadophile will not simply suppress his or her sexual drive over the possibility of being sentenced to death.
They will simply be more careful about not getting caught, and basically, instead of letting the child go after he or she is raped, they will most likely KILL the child as well, in efforts of not getting caught.
Originally posted by Starhawk
You can't change someone unless they want to change. You can kill 'em though regardless.
Many Peadophiles DO want to change ✅
But they cannot on thier own....and so far, most methods of trying to change thier sexual orientation have failed
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It will stop a single person from committing that same crime again...yes...definately...it will not stop other people from committing that crime however 🙁A peadophile will not simply suppress his or her sexual drive over the possibility of being sentenced to death.
They will simply be more careful about not getting caught, and basically, instead of letting the child go after he or she is raped, they will most likely KILL the child as well, in efforts of not getting caught.
Many Peadophiles DO want to change ✅
But they cannot on thier own....and so far, most methods of trying to change thier sexual orientation have failed
THey do not want to change they just say that cause they know it's what the public wants to hear and NOTHING has worked on those things.
In cases of abuse the threaten the child to avoid getting caught and in the cases of kidnapping the vast majority of the time they kill the child anyways.
Originally posted by Starhawk
THey do not want to change they just say that cause they know it's what the public wants to hear and NOTHING has worked on those things.
You CLEARLY do not know what the hell you are talking about. Secondly, it seems to me that you INTENTIONALLY make these horrible generalizations about peadophiles, because it makes it easier for you to dehumanize them, and therefore see them as subject to death.
Originally posted by Starhawk
In cases of abuse the threaten the child to avoid getting caught and in the cases of kidnapping the vast majority of the time they kill the child anyways.
Do you realize that there is a DIFFERENCE between a Peadophile and a Child Rapist ? There is....factually and legally. I suggest you do your research, before you embark on this "crusade" when you go into Law.
Secondly, a lot of child rapists will kill the child afterwards, because the consequences are SEVERE....Death Penality will ONLY INCREASE THIS......trust....it will not serve your agenda.
There are other ways to do this...
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You [b]CLEARLY do not know what the hell you are talking about. Secondly, it seems to me that you INTENTIONALLY make these horrible generalizations about peadophiles, because it makes it easier for you to dehumanize them, and therefore see them as subject to death.Do you realize that there is a DIFFERENCE between a Peadophile and a Child Rapist ? There is....factually and legally. I suggest you do your research, before you embark on this "crusade" when you go into Law.
Secondly, a lot of child rapists will kill the child afterwards, because the consequences are SEVERE....Death Penality will ONLY INCREASE THIS......trust....it will not serve your agenda.
There are other ways to do this... [/B]
Under Canadian Law a Child Rapist is reffered to as a Pedophile. And their crimes are what dehumanizes them. And pedophiles will just use fear to scare them into staying silent the way they always have. In most cases as sick as it sounds they become attached to the child.
I will NEVER change my mind on this. And it's far less severe then what I would like to do, but my respect for the law prevents me from doing what I wish I could.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Under Canadian Law a Child Rapist is reffered to as a Pedophile. And their crimes are what dehumanizes them. And pedophiles will just use fear to scare them into staying silent the way they always have. In most cases as sick as it sounds they become attached to the child.
All Child Rapists are peadophiles. Not all peadophiles are child rapists....please tell me you understand this...
Your second statement is a non-factual generalization.
They become attached to the child, because they aren't only sexually attracted to the child, they are also infatuated with the child.
Peadophiles are MENTALLY SICK......they NEED HELP....death penalty is the slaughter of the mentally impaired in this situation.
Originally posted by Starhawk
I will NEVER change my mind on this. And it's far less severe then what I would like to do, but my respect for the law prevents me from doing what I wish I could.
I know you won't. You are a hateful, closed minded, and fearful person.
Yes, you wish you could slaughter them yourself. That makes you a potential murderer....just admit it.
No I wouldn't like to do it myself. What I ment to say is I wish we could arrest every NAMBLA member. And once if we can prove they have attacked a child execute them UNDER the law.
And their disgusting mental illness harms so many children a year it makes me want to vomit. I tend to think of the greater good and if these sick things need to be put down to help make children even alittle be safer then start bringing out the needles.
Originally posted by StarhawkIt's nice to know you're willing to subvert the political system to impose your own beliefs on others, fascist.
And politicains are that hard to convince, give them something they want and the words "yes" just roll off their tounges.
Originally posted by StarhawkMain Entry: de·lu·sion
Thankfully I will be in a postion to try and make my way into law.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomQuite.
I actually find fervent death penalty masturbators more disturbing than many criminals.
Originally posted by StarhawkThat's nice, but you're unlikely to change anyone else's mind on this either considering you lack the ability to present any sound legal reasoning for it's reinstatement.
I will NEVER change my mind on this. And it's far less severe then what I would like to do, but my respect for the law prevents me from doing what I wish I could.