Originally posted by capt it up
tkd has no good close up move and thai boxer have immensly stronger knees which mean TKD master is screwed
Exactly.
Taekwondo lacks two things, for the most part: the clinch, and groundwork. A thai boxer is comfortable up close, and at a distance. The Taekwondo practitioner isn't NEARLY as effective upclose. It's a flaw in the style.
Originally posted by Soljer
Exactly.Taekwondo lacks two things, for the most part: the clinch, and groundwork. A thai boxer is comfortable up close, and at a distance. The Taekwondo practitioner isn't NEARLY as effective upclose. It's a flaw in the style.
Originally posted by capt it up
yup I foughten one before. first time I amde the msitake of fighting like a boxer and not getting close enough. The second time well not gunna lie I just tackled him to the ground and he totaly had no idea what to do.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
At the time, did you have any ground skills or did you just wing it better than he did? I'm assuming you won. Unless you were practicing.
depends do you mean styles or what? I am a experienced fighter. been in more fights then I can count. I practice boxing well did I have to start it up again. I spar alot with my cousin which reminds me I have to start that up again as well.
Originally posted by capt it up
I won the second fight the first I lost due to not taking it up close.depends do you mean styles or what? I am a experienced fighter. been in more fights then I can count. I practice boxing well did I have to start it up again. I spar alot with my cousin which reminds me I have to start that up again as well.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I just mean did you pick up enough ground game from others to trump him. Like this one fight... I forgot who was in it. I don't think either guy had any ground skills but one of them got behind the other and put him in a rear naked choke. I don't think he was formally trained but he knew what it looked like so he did it. It might of been Chuck Liddell. But he's got the wrestling so I'm not sure.
Originally posted by Soljer
I know what you're saying. But you may not be understanding me entirely; I'm not comparing the shoddy McDojo teachings.I'm saying, that with an equally qualified instructor, and an equal amount of time training, the average Thai Boxer will beat the average TaeKwonDo student more times than not.
As will the average Jiu Jitsu student. 😬.
Can't comment on that. If you have equally skilled/physically fit fighters from the 2 corresponding arts, wouldn't the TKDer try to keep the distance. I don't see that tactic work unless the TKDer was slower or dumb as hell.
The most flaws I see in Kickboxing/ThaiBoxing are the lack of variety and the predictability. It's not very hard to forsee what a
boxer is going to do, unless they're faster than you are. Exactly why I don't really want to fight my friends who do these.. More eastern martial arts. Of course pitting 2 arts against each other is pretty much pointless for they both rely on different options and have different rules.
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Capt It Up - I see headbutting like kicking somebody on the nads. Lame.. Why don't you just hit them with your fists?
Originally posted by capt it up
yup I foughten one before. first time I amde the msitake of fighting like a boxer and not getting close enough. The second time well not gunna lie I just tackled him to the ground and he totaly had no idea what to do.
If he really didn't then he was just a bad fighter.
Saying that any thai boxer will beat any taekwondo fighter is incorrect.
As been said before it more depends on the fighter than his fighting style. My friend (TDK fighter) whiped the floor with four guys that tried to steel his car, though it doesn't mean that any trained tdk fighter can do that (I personally can't), neither it mean that any thai fighter could do that.
There isn't a single TDK master that doesn't know what to do in clinch or while ground-fighting.
Man, you are some Eddie Gordo, "Only the Strong" watching mf's. Is that your only frame of reference for capoeira? 😉
There is show capoeira, contemporary sport capoeira, and then there is the real thing, which has also been used by street fighters. Study the history of capoeira angola. Capoeira angola is not a competition martial art, it is a cultural form. Probably a lot of people who practice contemporary sports commercialized capoeira are not well trained in the martial (or cultural) aspect of it. It has at least a 500 year history in Brazil and more than that in the African forms it was based on.
It is a very deceptive and trick martial art. In the history of Brazil it was recognized as a deadly martial art. Practitioners were skilled in the use of bladed weapons. Capoeiristas are very elusive. For real practitioners part of it is to appear open but to really be closed. People ignore the martial aspect of authentic capoeira because it has other dimensions besides just obvious pummeling.
Some of the naysayers should learn your history of the form before making blanket statements based on your friends' martial arts classes. Capoeiristas fought off the Portuguese for many years in the quilombos (colonies of runaway enslaved people and of Brazil. They were on the front lines in the War of the Triple Alliance. Their reputations as deadly street fighters is what's notorious, if you know to ask people who know.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Not sure about Capoeira but I disagree about Taekwondo and Aikido. These martial arts are effective in a street fight. I studied taekwondo for a long time and must say that it's only effective in an actual confrontation if someone who mastered it is fighting.
Originally posted by Jyppe
Actually I pretty much agree with you. I never intended anything else. I just didn't want to insult the art THAT much.As an art, Capoeira resembles more like dancing. The "fights" they have in capoeira are pretty much dance show offs. It's damn good for your body though (a Friend of mine does it)
Pretty much agreed.
Muay Thai is exactly same as Thai boxing I've done in here. I'm not sure where you're from, but AFAIK it's usually called Thai Boxing. What I've seen it only diffeers from Kickboxing, because it uses elbows, knees, you can grab your opponent's leg, and there's Thai wrestling involved.
Yeah, Krav maga isn't a competition art. It's a self defence art. Nothing more.
Couldn't care less about Judo. It's hilarious when some Judokas try to grab and throw a guy and then they get a knee to the face. If a guy has a knife, you don't really want to grab him. There was a video on the internet where (Simulated) a guy attacks 'nother one with a knife in an elevator. First the guy tries to grab the knife guy. He gets hit like 40 times. Then what would happen if he was kicking the guy who attacks with the knife. He doesn't get hit nearly at all. So It's smart to keep your distance against knife wielders.
Lacks kicks though :/
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