Originally posted by Jyppe
If I were against someone with a knife, I'd try to keep a leg between him and me. It would be rather difficult for him to attack me directly if he had a boot in his nose everytime he tried something.I've had some pretty fun with Taido. It's not very practical, but I do Kickboxing for that depoartement. I startted it in order to learn some acrobatics and the flashy kicks. TK-D was little boring for me. I did get a red belt, but then I stopped it.
Have you learned any tricks or something?
That's what I've always been told. Keep the distance with a leg.
But I spar with some pretty good fighters, and (as I'm primarily a boxer), I've found ways to close the distance to boxing range, clinch range, or even take down range. If I can do that, who is to say that the guy with a knife won't be able to get in closer to me? Or who is to say that he won't go ahead and take a heavy kick to the ribs in order to catch a foot, and stab me twice in the thigh. 😬.
Honestly? I'm a pretty good ground fighter, but if someone DID take me down in a self defense situation? I wouldn't try to pull guard and go for a triangle. I would make three movements: Left arm to face to try to defend against the inevitable hail of punches. Right hand to pocket. Knife to opponents body as many times as possible/needed. Meh.
Tricks? What do you mean, tricks?
I've said it before but I don't think this issue had any thing to do with Wolverine being immortal... or having an immortal soul. It was a surreal, subconscious manifestation created so his conscious mind could cope with death and rebirth. Maybe, Wolverine after experiencing his thought "cool, I'm immortal!" but his hardly a psychologist and I doubt he has the credentials needed to accurately psychoanalyse the experience. Wolverine has had similar experience before Wolverine 48 only Rose and Colossus manifested instead to Jean and Lazaer. His hallucination, and thats what it is, changes with what ever his priorities are and since HoM his subconscious isn't hung up on Rose and he now remembers Lazaer (who before was represented by an entire plethora of dead Wolverine foes).
I'm not say for sure that Wolverine's soul isn't "immortal", maybe it is. He is the reincarnation of The Hand of God and no less then three Japanese Samurai, maybe he is constantly being reincarnated after he dies... who knows but I think people took this issue way to literally.
Originally posted by Jyppe
-------------------I mean tricks, like flip, backflip, aerial, butterfly twist etc
Oh! Tricking, yeah. I have some friends that do a lot of that, but no. I don't do much. All I can really do are the most simple of tumbling; handsprings and the like. I've never really trained to do any serious tricking, though some of it looks amazing.
Originally posted by Soljer
OFF TOPIC EDIT: Also, Capoeira, Taekwondo, and Aikido are notoriously ineffective in an actual confrontation.
Not sure about Capoeira but I disagree about Taekwondo and Aikido. These martial arts are effective in a street fight. I studied taekwondo for a long time and must say that it's only effective in an actual confrontation if someone who mastered it is fighting.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Not sure about Capoeira but I disagree about Taekwondo and Aikido. These martial arts are effective in a street fight. I studied taekwondo for a long time and must say that it's only effective in an actual confrontation if someone who mastered it is fighting.
To each their own. One of the people I regularly spar with was about to test for his second degree black belt before he came to this University, and I'll admit; I DO kinda fear his kicks. But I can defend against them, and get inside of them. Once I'm inside of them, I can outbox him all day long, AND beat him on the ground. 😬.
Taekwondo, for the most part, has become too "McDojo"-ey, and too much of a sport fighting style. It just ISN'T an effective style, when compared to others.
Originally posted by Soljer
To each their own. One of the people I regularly spar with was about to test for his second degree black belt before he came to this University, and I'll admit; I DO kinda fear his kicks. But I can defend against them, and get inside of them. Once I'm inside of them, I can outbox him all day long, AND beat him on the ground. 😬.Taekwondo, for the most part, has become too "McDojo"-ey, and too much of a sport fighting style. It just ISN'T an effective style, when compared to others.
It also depends on which taekwondo you are talking about. John Rhee's sucks. WTF is way better. People for some reason usually think that taekwondo is all about kicks, but it also teaches self-defense and different attacks with hands. And it all is well balanced. I personally do not concider myself to be a master, but I know some taekwondo fighters that are ridiculously fast and effective. I think you just got a bad opponent, because there would be no way for you to get inside if he was well trained taekwondo fighter.
Originally posted by Sam Z
It also depends on which taekwondo you are talking about. John Rhee's sucks. WTF is way better. People for some reason usually think that taekwondo is all about kicks, but it also teaches self-defense and different attacks with hands. And it all is well balanced. I personally do not concider myself to be a master, but I know some taekwondo fighters that are ridiculously fast and effective. I think you just got a bad opponent, because there would be no way for you to get inside if he was well trained taekwondo fighter.
He's good, and I don't remember which federation he was a part of, but I think it was either WTF or ITF. 😬. His kicks are ridiculously fast, and like I said; I'm fearful of them. But if I CAN get inside, his main strategy seems to be "Create distance." Something which I can nullify with a good shoot.
You can't say that there is no way for someone to get inside of a well trained taekwondo fighter's reach. Look at PRIDE and the UFC. Battle-fueled proof, right there.
And Taekwondo itself really DOES primarily focus on the kicks, with a bit of hand work involved as well. But there is, literally NO groundwork in traditional taekwon do. If you are taught any at your dojo, that's because your trainer (sensei? Master? Whatever.) decided to implement some as well.
A pure taekwondo practitioner on the ground? Useless.
Same goes for most stand-up arts. 😬.
Anyways, Im actually off to go train right this moment, so I'll talk to all you good people later.
Originally posted by Soljer
He's good, and I don't remember which federation he was a part of, but I think it was either WTF or ITF. 😬. His kicks are ridiculously fast, and like I said; I'm fearful of them. But if I CAN get inside, his main strategy seems to be "Create distance." Something which I can nullify with a good shoot.You can't say that there is no way for someone to get inside of a well trained taekwondo fighter's reach. Look at PRIDE and the UFC. Battle-fueled proof, right there.
And Taekwondo itself really DOES primarily focus on the kicks, with a bit of hand work involved as well. But there is, literally NO groundwork in traditional taekwon do. If you are taught any at your dojo, that's because your trainer (sensei? Master? Whatever.) decided to implement some as well.
A pure taekwondo practitioner on the ground? Useless.
Same goes for most stand-up arts. 😬.
Anyways, Im actually off to go train right this moment, so I'll talk to all you good people later.
That's the thing. Experienced taekwondo fighter do not have to create distance, but he is tought to keep distance and attack at the same time making his oppoent efforts to get close and attack useless and IF he does get close that is where hands come in.
On pride or UFC there are usally fighters with mixed martial arts, I only remember few taekwondo fighters participating in the UFC and they all weighted less than 60 kgs (what's important) and weren't that good.
Tekwondo does focus on kicks but as I said it is well balanced with punches. As for self-defence, they don't teach it now but TRADITIONAL karate was designed for korean army and it has self defence as well as groung-fighting. And I was lucky that my master didn't took this elements away from his teaching program.
As for being effective, I simply judge by real life events.
Originally posted by Soljer
To each their own. One of the people I regularly spar with was about to test for his second degree black belt before he came to this University, and I'll admit; I DO kinda fear his kicks. But I can defend against them, and get inside of them. Once I'm inside of them, I can outbox him all day long, AND beat him on the ground. 😬.Taekwondo, for the most part, has become too "McDojo"-ey, and too much of a sport fighting style. It just ISN'T an effective style, when compared to others.
I agree with this here. I've seen some masters teach for only money and don't care about anything else. If you're going to start Taekwon-do, I'd suggest you should try the different ones. I was quite happy with my TKD as it wasn't WTF (Only kicks etc) It was a good thing that our teacher was an ex-boxer and he focused a lot on the handwork too.
I've seen some of the TKDers which aren't really that good despite they have a 1 dan black belt or so. They try to get points, but in a real fight you wouldn't want to get points, you'd want to Knock the sh*t out of your opponent. They'd need to realize that fighting with legs only isn't really effective nor that high kicks are that useful against someone who knows martial arts himself.
TKD would be VERY efficient in the hands of a skilled opponent.
I feel kinda defenseless when you guy's go on abut how many SD classes you do , me I got nothing. Though to counterbalance that I live in a country where being robbed or even attacked with a weapon is a rarity unless you live in a HEAVILY populated area.
If a guy did come at me with a knife though....
1. Give him my money , hey it's Cash I can get it back easily enough . Better to lose a few green backs then your life.
2. Get the knife out of his hands , I'd pick up the first thing available and crack it over his head or hand until he dropped that sucka. THEN you pick it up and tell him to piss off before ya gut him .
Originally posted by Jyppe
I agree with this here. I've seen some masters teach for only money and don't care about anything else. If you're going to start Taekwon-do, I'd suggest you should try the different ones. I was quite happy with my TKD as it wasn't WTF (Only kicks etc) It was a good thing that our teacher was an ex-boxer and he focused a lot on the handwork too.I've seen some of the TKDers which aren't really that good despite they have a 1 dan black belt or so. They try to get points, but in a real fight you wouldn't want to get points, you'd want to Knock the sh*t out of your opponent. They'd need to realize that fighting with legs only isn't really effective nor that high kicks are that useful against someone who knows martial arts himself.
TKD would be VERY efficient in the hands of a skilled opponent.
Meh, I still stand by the assessment that your time would be better spent learning something else. Considering equal amounts of training, I'd say a Thai boxer would take the TaeKwonDo practitioner pretty often. As would the Jiu Jitsu practitioner. 😬.
Maybe it's just me, 😬.
I feel kinda defenseless when you guy's go on abut how many SD classes you do , me I got nothing. Though to counterbalance that I live in a country where being robbed or even attacked with a weapon is a rarity unless you live in a HEAVILY populated area.If a guy did come at me with a knife though....
1. Give him my money , hey it's Cash I can get it back easily enough . Better to lose a few green backs then your life.
2. Get the knife out of his hands , I'd pick up the first thing available and crack it over his head or hand until he dropped that sucka. THEN you pick it up and tell him to piss off before ya gut him .
I've never ACTUALLY been robbed, though I've had a knife pulled on me multiple times. Only ever actually tried to FIGHT the knife once, and I got plenty of cuts from it, 😬.
Meh, seems to me that by the time you find something heavy to crack over the guys head, you'd have gotten stabbed in the kidney. 😬
I'm surprised how many people in the net know about martial arts...
Shouldn't be. The majority of people have studied at least SOME kind of style at SOME point in their life.