For me most MAs are useless unless you have someone who knows how to put it to practicle use for defense. You can know every kick in the world but without knowing how to use it. Of course in the right hands any fighting style is dangerous so I guess it just depends on what level you are on.
As most high level learners learn many different styles to counterbalance different actions that could be taken against them.
I have to say, I am getting pretty tired of every TKD black belt thinking they can drop every guy in the room. IMO, it might help you if you get jumped by a guy with a knife, only because you're going to be on your back foot a lot and throwing kicks (which will inevidably lead to getting stabbed in the legs..)
As well as other MMAs, I've done HACA/ARMA (basically western/european armed combat) since I was 14 years old. If someone comes at with you with a knife, and you don't have one yourself, keep your hips back, your head forward, and presuming they're right handed, your left hand out. Everybody knows someone who's either gotten a nail or blade stuck in their hand or foot...and that's essentially what you want to reenact here in a worst case scenario. There aren't any major veins or arteries in your hand, and you can always afford to get surgery to repair the damage you took taking the knife.
The aim is to grab the guy by the wrist of his knife hand, and if that doesn't succeed, take the stab to your hand to prevent damage on your body or any major organs. Sure it'll hurt like a *****, but after words you'll be alive. After you have the guy's wrist, or have taken it in your hand, the object is to either use his momentum to take the knife (which is a bunch of fancy BS that will just get you stabbed) or throw a strong right or elbow into his jaw or nose to get him to back off long enough for you to escape.
If you have a knife as well, and you're not thinking of walking away in this, take the knife in your hand or arm like mentioned, and his right where his left shoulder meets his neck will be open. Drive home the knife there, or if you can, stab him in his armpit. The combination of his lymph nodes being destroyed, possible lung puncture, and bleeding should put him out of the fight for the rest of his life.
Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
I have to say, I am getting pretty tired of every TKD black belt thinking they can drop every guy in the room. IMO, it might help you if you get jumped by a guy with a knife, only because you're going to be on your back foot a lot and throwing kicks (which will inevidably lead to getting stabbed in the legs..)As well as other MMAs, I've done HACA/ARMA (basically western/european armed combat) since I was 14 years old. If someone comes at with you with a knife, and you don't have one yourself, keep your hips back, your head forward, and presuming they're right handed, your left hand out. Everybody knows someone who's either gotten a nail or blade stuck in their hand or foot...and that's essentially what you want to reenact here in a worst case scenario. There aren't any major veins or arteries in your hand, and you can always afford to get surgery to repair the damage you took taking the knife.
The aim is to grab the guy by the wrist of his knife hand, and if that doesn't succeed, take the stab to your hand to prevent damage on your body or any major organs. Sure it'll hurt like a *****, but after words you'll be alive. After you have the guy's wrist, or have taken it in your hand, the object is to either use his momentum to take the knife (which is a bunch of fancy BS that will just get you stabbed) or throw a strong right or elbow into his jaw or nose to get him to back off long enough for you to escape.
If you have a knife as well, and you're not thinking of walking away in this, take the knife in your hand or arm like mentioned, and his right where his left shoulder meets his neck will be open. Drive home the knife there, or if you can, stab him in his armpit. The combination of his lymph nodes being destroyed, possible lung puncture, and bleeding should put him out of the fight for the rest of his life.
Or I could...ya know . Just give him the cash and cry like a little girl.
Originally posted by grey fox
Or I could...ya know . Just give him the cash and cry like a little girl.
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I'd rather lose some cash than lose the function of one of my hands/arms/feet/legs/life.
😬.
If it was a life or death situation? Sure, take it to the hand.
If it's not? I can get more cash a lot easier than I can get a new hand.
Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, I still stand by the assessment that your time would be better spent learning something else. Considering equal amounts of training, I'd say a Thai boxer would take the TaeKwonDo practitioner pretty often. As would the Jiu Jitsu practitioner. 😬.Maybe it's just me, 😬.
It's not that black and white. There are lots of different TKDs around and some of them differ dramatically from each other. I've seen lots of Thai boxers with different styles around.
Even though you can easily say a Thai boxer would beat a TKDer who-gets-his-black-belt-in-2-years. Those TKDers suck major ass.
And FYI I do Kickboxing & Taido nowdays. I haven't done TKD in a loong while. Taido's pretty much for the acrobatics and the exercises.
Originally posted by Jyppe
It's not that black and white. There are lots of different TKDs around and some of them differ dramatically from each other. I've seen lots of Thai boxers with different styles around.Even though you can easily say a Thai boxer would beat a TKDer who-gets-his-black-belt-in-2-years. Those TKDers suck major ass.
And FYI I do Kickboxing & Taido nowdays. I haven't done TKD in a loong while. Taido's pretty much for the acrobatics and the exercises.
I know what you're saying. But you may not be understanding me entirely; I'm not comparing the shoddy McDojo teachings.
I'm saying, that with an equally qualified instructor, and an equal amount of time training, the average Thai Boxer will beat the average TaeKwonDo student more times than not.
As will the average Jiu Jitsu student. 😬.
Originally posted by SoljerAnd like I said it depends on the fighters and their ability to apply what they know fighting who will win. It is never as clear cut as one method beats another some may seem to have certain advantages but they are minimal and not a decideing factor in a fight.
I know what you're saying. But you may not be understanding me entirely; I'm not comparing the shoddy McDojo teachings.I'm saying, that with an equally qualified instructor, and an equal amount of time training, the average Thai Boxer will beat the average TaeKwonDo student more times than not.
As will the average Jiu Jitsu student. 😬.
Originally posted by Newjak
And like I said it depends on the fighters and their ability to apply what they know fighting who will win. It is never as clear cut as one method beats another some may seem to have certain advantages but they are minimal and not a decideing factor in a fight.
*sighs*
Yes, the fighter makes the style, not the other way around. But I'm saying if we take two fighters. Equally dedicated. With an equal ease of learning. With 'equal bodies,' and equal training with equivalent instructors, the Thai Boxer will beat out the TKD expert more often than not.
Originally posted by SoljerI don't agree with this because fighting is fighting and if you take people of the same calibur then neither will have an advantage over the other. Like I said on paper styles may seem to have some advantages over others but they aren't decideing factors a number of things go into determining a win least of which is styles.
*sighs*Yes, the fighter makes the style, not the other way around. But I'm saying if we take two fighters. Equally dedicated. With an equal ease of learning. With 'equal bodies,' and equal training with equivalent instructors, the Thai Boxer will beat out the TKD expert more often than not.
Originally posted by Newjak
I don't agree with this because fighting is fighting and if you take people of the same calibur then neither will have an advantage over the other. Like I said on paper styles may seem to have some advantages over others but they aren't decideing factors a number of things go into determining a win least of which is styles.
You may argue that styles are the LEAST of the things that determine a fight. But you still conceeded that they go into determining a fight.
Hence, if the rest of the deciding factors are equal, it WILL come down to styles, in which case, TKD is inferior to a number of others.
Originally posted by SoljerLike I said as well minimal and to tell the truth won't be a decidering factor like I said. There are many styles out there and none of them will destroy the next as long as it is used in a smart manner that excerises its strengths which any decent and semi intelligent fighter can do.
You may argue that styles are the LEAST of the things that determine a fight. But you still conceeded that they go into determining a fight.Hence, if the rest of the deciding factors are equal, it WILL come down to styles, in which case, TKD is inferior to a number of others.
So no fighting styles are the least of my concerns when deciding a factor and don't play that important into it.
You still aren't paying attention. You are saying they are the LEAST of your concerns - but they are still a concern.
They aren't THAT important, but they're still important.
I'm not trying to say that any Thai Boxer will beat any Taekwondo practitioner. Just that the style is inherently better.
Which, well, judging by technique and ANY multiple-style contest/tournament/etc. out there? It is. 😬.
Originally posted by SoljerI understand exactly what you meant but I meant basically one paper it seems like one can overcome another but I've never seen that in anything. All fighting is is maximizing your strengths while minimizing your weaknesses and whoever can do that wins simple it doesn't matter if someone is using Thai Boxing against a street fighter with no MA background.
You still aren't paying attention. You are saying they are the LEAST of your concerns - but they are still a concern.They aren't THAT important, but they're still important.
I'm not trying to say that any Thai Boxer will beat any Taekwondo practitioner. Just that the style is inherently better.
Which, well, judging by technique and ANY multiple-style contest/tournament/etc. out there? It is. 😬.
Originally posted by Soljer
*sighs*Yes, the fighter makes the style, not the other way around. But I'm saying if we take two fighters. Equally dedicated. With an equal ease of learning. With 'equal bodies,' and equal training with equivalent instructors, the Thai Boxer will beat out the TKD expert more often than not.