Originally posted by Galan007
Ok, Parallax unarguably did more on pannel then Abraxas... Parallax destroyed ALL of DC and began shaping his own universe in its place.Reed /w/ the UN stopped Abraxas,
but it took Spectre himself to finally bring down Parallax..Parallax takes this 10/10
If Parallax erased all od Dc,
why is he even mentioning whether or not ONE Universe will be enough?
Was he going to create another DC Company aside from recreating DC?
If all Parallax did was destroy ONE Universe, then he can't stop Abraxas, end of story.
Only a power able to erase an Entire Multi-verse can defeat Abraxas.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ONe more thing, if all it takes for someone to be multiversal is to control reality of one universe from another, So what makes anything the Magus or Thanos did on panel so great with the IG that others have not done? Absolutely nothing.
Dude, does your intransigency block you from reading other posts?
How many times did I tell you Magus CONTROLLED TWO UNIVERSES from a UNIVERSE SEPARATED from BOTH, which he also was CONTROLLING.
I'm not responding to you anymore, your a waste of time.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude, does your intransigency block you from reading other posts?How many times did I tell you Magus CONTROLLED TWO UNIVERSES from a UNIVERSE SEPARATED from BOTH, which he also was CONTROLLING.
I'm not responding to you anymore, your a waste of time.
I agree with your postion here 100% but perhaps he might be mroe open to what we say without insulting him.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Mr Master also missed the fact when Hal said that he might create another Universe (which he didn't did on pannel) but by saying that he gives some kind of "proof" he has the potentional but he just misses the point since he doesn't "act on that".
Play nothing dogs,
If it didn't happen, then it didn't happen.
Hal NEVER said he might create another Universe, nice try.
Hal clearly said,
"who knows? maybe one Universe ...One World, won't be enough"
This is NO way implies he can or was going to create another Universe.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
We can play like this since most of your "facts" aren't based on panel
What?
Are you losing your mind dogs?
ALL my posts include ON PANEL EVIDENCE... you must be buggin.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
only you say that the UN is Multiversal even Marvel says that it just Universal
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Abraxas
There is no on pannel proof to back up that the UN is Multiversal.
😂
Bios vs On Panel PROOF, ok right...
Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
Finally what does this lead to?
Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."
What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?
The MULTI-VERSE
Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse
UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
Is the UN capable of such a FEAT?
"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER, He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"
You bet your sweet nargas it is.
Originally posted by Starhawk
I agree with your postion here 100% but perhaps he might be mroe open to what we say without insulting him.
Actually he began the insults since page one,
and no matter what he will not be more open, I've dealt with this cat before.
Beyond that,
the term Intransigency means: "unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something"
It's not so much an insult as it is fact.
Originally posted by Galan007
That pannel was after Parallax had destroyed ALL of DC. He was talking about creating his own universe to protect. This is when he said;[b]"Who knows? Maybe one Universe, one world won't be enough."
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So all of DC is ONE Universe?
Cool.
And I don't see how him speculating about if ONE Universe will be enough, somehow raises his level to beyond ONE Universe.
Sounds to me like he's saying, this is the best I can do, and maybe it's not enough.
Originally posted by Galan007
Those pannels do conclusively tell us that Parallax destroyed ALL of existance in DC,
ALL of DC, which then must mean ALL is ONE Universe,
this IS NOT enough to even come close to defeating Abraxas.
Originally posted by Galan007
and those pannels conclusively tell us that Parallax was going to shape another universe in its place to protect...
Ok.
Originally posted by Galan007
Under his own power Abraxas did nothing on this scale. How can we argue that he would beat Parallax?
Under his own Power Abraxas was collapsing the MULTI-VERSE.
FAAAAAAAR MORE than One Universe.
Originally posted by Galan007
Ask yourself this....What did Abraxas do under his own power that was greater then what Parallax did?
Abraxas had the the Multi-verse (Multi-Eternity) shaking in his Cosmic pants.
Abraxas was COLLAPSING the Multi-verse.
And the bottom line is:
No matter what, if Parallax can NOT erase a Multi-verse, then Parallax can't defeat him.
Becasue the ONLY way to banish Abraxas is to ERASE the ENTIRE MULTI-VERSE.
Originally posted by Galan007
you dont need to kill someone to beat them...Abraxas is very powerful, there is no doubt about that.
But feat v.s. feat
Parallax>Abraxas
And what it took/takes to beat Abraxas is really meaningless if we are just comparing feats that the characters themselves have accomplished
How is it meaningless, what it takes to beat Abraxas?
If Parallax can't erase a Multi-verse, (which he CAN'T) then he can NOT beat Abraxas.
SO it's very meaningful indeed.
So... if the UN can indeed destroy the multiverse... why does the IG able to pwn the UN when it itself is multiversal? It's like two multiversal thingies going at it, and one clearly tops the other. Any reason why? I have my own theories about this, which might be very controversial... btu I'd just wanna hear other people's takes on this.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. It doesnt'. Anymore than it means that someone with less power than the Un couldn't defeat Abraxas. They could. Since The Un is one of those trump all cards.
Clueless as ever ey my boy,
The ONLY way to Banish Abraxas was to Erase and Create a NEW Multi-verse in which Abraxas never manifested in.
Here Roma says it:
"It will be a WEAPON of UNIMAGINABLE POWER that will WIN this DAY"
Here Galactus says it, and Reed realizes this truth:
"But THIS Time, THIS Day can END ONLY ONE WAY"
Reed says, "Yes.... God help me, I can see that now"
Here when Reed uses the UN, Abaxas and Reed say to each other:
Abraxas says, "Put it down Richards, you have no idea"
Reed says, "Actually Abraxas I do, You NEVER INTENDED to FIRE the Nullifier for the very same Reason I MUST"
So you see, it's quite clear that Abraxas himself KNEW, the ONLY possible way to get rid of him, (even if he used it himself), was with the Ultimate Nullifier.
Will you PLEASE READ a COMIC BOOK before posting.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Parallax is not a universal being. Anyone who can create Multiple Universes is not a universal being. A universal being is someone who resides with in a universal and can take over said reality. Parallax doesn't have to reside in a universe. He can leave it and destroy and make universes at his whim.
Exaggeration,
Unless you can produce the scan or issue where Parallax creates "multiple" Universes, no one is buying this.
Originally posted by Galan007
Did Abraxas do anything remotley close to destroying all of existance, and beginning to recreate a universe in its place?Yes or No?
Abraxas doesn't want to create,
Abraxas is the embodiment of DESTRUCTION, he destroys the MULTi-VERSE, that's his purpose.
far more than ONE Universe.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So... if the UN can indeed destroy the multiverse... why does the IG able to pwn the UN when it itself is multiversal? It's like two multiversal thingies going at it, and one clearly tops the other. Any reason why? I have my own theories about this, which might be very controversial... btu I'd just wanna hear other people's takes on this.
Because the IG is Multiversal on greater level,
simple, effective,
no?
Originally posted by bigbran
In all honesty, Phoenix/The Force is multi-versal.
And it is deabteable whether she/it, can beat Galactus.
Phoenix has NEVER performed a Multiversal feat.
The only Multiversal feat the Phoenix Force has under it's belt, was when it projected the Excalibur Tower across the Multi-verse, VIA the Interface Alignment.
This is before the Phoenix even came into the picture:
It clearly says "when a series of interfaces across the Multiverse were aligned, the localized energy fields merged... to Create an Energy Matrix."
The Energy fields merge ON THEIR OWN... and the Interfaces across the Mulitverse Align BY THEMSELVES...
AT the MOMENT of ALIGNMENT, THEN Feron called Phoenix to project the Tower",
a less than monumental feat... considering it was the Energy Matrix (ON IT"S OWN) that allows simultaneous existence in the Multiverse when the Interfaces Across are Aligned, Which Also happens ON it's OWN.....
Phoenix made a duplicate of the original Tower and it simultaneously duplicated itself across the Multi-verse because of the Interface Alingment.
Bottomline: Without the Interface Alignment, this Feat would Never exist.
Normal Galactus takes Phoenix.
Black Celestial arc galactus, curbstomps the Phoenix.
Originally posted by bigbran
Just like how people like to debate whether the IG is multi-versal or not to win an arguement. But, it doesn't matter if he is or not, since he just under LT.
And I wasn't trying to win an argument by proving this dogs,
NVR said the IG wasn't Multiversal, so NVR had to be proven wrong.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Owned! 😂
You can take that BS somewhere else. No one is falling for "his' interpretation of things. He throws around a couple scans, twist things to mean what he wants and all of a sudden he has " owned" someone? Please. He only argues so vehemently for Marvel things. Which shows me that he would twist things to suit his own need to win. He's done it before and no amount of jock holders telling him he's an owner or the master will change my mind about him. Very Condesending, Arrogant, and will change things to look good at the drop of a dime. And if people took more time to read things thoro, question what he was saying, and not just be Drones, they would see it to. Now Take that and own that.
Hey Mr Master you forgot that the fight is not in Marvel and only in Marvel they needed to recreate the "multiverse" because of the Galactuses not because he was all powerfull because the only way was to ressurect all the Galactuses to keep Abraxas locked. Here he doesn't need to be locked he just need to be beaten.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You can take that BS somewhere else. No one is falling for "his' interpretation of things. He throws around a couple scans, twist things to mean what he wants and all of a sudden he has " owned" someone? Please. He only argues so vehemently for Marvel things. Which shows me that he would twist things to suit his own need to win. He's done it before and no amount of jock holders telling him he's an owner or the master will change my mind about him. Very Condesending, Arrogant, and will change things to look good at the drop of a dime. And if people took more time to read things thoro, question what he was saying, and not just be Drones, they would see it to. Now Take that and own that.
fighting63
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Hey Mr Master you forgot that the fight is not in Marvel and only in Marvel they needed to recreate the "multiverse" because of the Galactuses not because he was all powerfull because the only way was to ressurect all the Galactuses to keep Abraxas locked. Here he doesn't need to be locked he just need to be beaten.
Hey juggs,
glad to see you understood the UN is a Multiversal destroyer,
on the otherhand,
show me the page in the Arc that says,
"they needed to recreate the multiverse not because he was all powerfull because the only way was to ressurect all the Galactuses to keep Abraxas locked"
And then I'll agree.
Until then, only a power that can erase a Multi-verse will stop Abraxas.
And yet on another hand,
what your basically saying is, if he's not locked away, there's no way to beat him.
Abraxas was COLLAPSING the Multi-verse, you guys have to comprehend that Abraxas is the EMBODIMENT of DESTRUCTION, even the Living Tribunal can't touch him. (which is why he didn't appear)
Because Abraxas is a NATURAL CONCEPT of Reality, and LT CAN'T interfere in the NATURAL LAWS of Reality, just like LT can't destroy Death just because innocents DIE.
That's what the Arc was about, NO ONE can defeat Abraxas except for a power that can ERASE the Multi-verse,
end of story.
