Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Someone in Newsarama raised an interesting point..."As proof, Nitro shows Logan the pills he's been taking...mutant growth hormone (MGH), which, apparently, when consumed by someone with powers, boosts their powers mega levels, which is how Nitro was able to vaporize all those people in Stamford. That means that, at his original power level, The New Warriors may probably have been able to take him down. As such their actions don't seem as reckless as they were before."
An addition to it...
"Especially when Daredevil was able to take Nitro down, and it wasn't exactly done in a quick fashion where Daredevil was in fear of being blown up when Nitro clearly needed more time to charge up to make a full blast that still couldn't possibly take out 600 people. It's funny how people keep blaming the New Warriors for a scenario that occured because they didn't know that Nitro was taking MGH. It should have been pretty obvious even without this issue early on that the level of power Nitro showed in CW #1 was not usual."
#1 The team leader was concerned about ratings right before engaging in a battle with supervillians right next door to a school.
#2 Namorita knocked the guy into a school yard.
Are you saying that those weren't wreckless actions. Hell, even if he hadn't blown up, he could've ended up in the middle of the playground and used a kid as a human shield. As superheroes, their first and foremost mission is the protection and preservation of life, the safety of others. That's what they failed at. The explosion killing 600 people just highlights the extent of that failure.
Despite they're sometimes still acting like rookies while they've been around for a quite while, the New Warriors doesn't deserve being blamed like we are all doing and like happened in the comic book.
Collateral damage and people injured are ordinary things in superpowered beings battle.
In AVENGERS/JLA, Thor knock Superman into a skyscraper, what happened to the debris?What could have happened if Supes crashing in the building would have killed a whole office full of people?
Wanna think about Thing punching Terrax sending him through 4 buildings up into air?Cool scene, but the people?
The real reason cause you are judging the NW is cause they were used to start up the Civil War and to show what happens in this kind of situations, they could have been the X-Men, the Avengers, Alpha Flight, and so.
Originally posted by K3VILBULL! A dead child is not "collateral damage. It could've been the X-Men, Avengers, or even Spider-man by his lonesome, and I'd still feel the same way.
Despite they're sometimes still acting like rookies while they've been around for a quite while, the New Warriors doesn't deserve being blamed like we are all doing and like happened in the comic book.
Collateral damage and people injured are ordinary things in superpowered beings battle.
In AVENGERS/JLA, Thor knock Superman into a skyscraper, what happened to the debris?What could have happened if Supes crashing in the building would have killed a whole office full of people?
Wanna think about Thing punching Terrax sending him through 4 buildings up into air?Cool scene, but the people?
The real reason cause you are judging the NW is cause they were used to start up the Civil War and to show what happens in this kind of situations, they could have been the X-Men, the Avengers, Alpha Flight, and so.
The NW's started a fight with supervillians, next door to a school full of kids. Before they even went to the house they should've had the area cleared of civilians. I would feel the same way if it were ANY other team or hero regardless of if someone was hurt or not.
Originally posted by BlaqChaosThey did not really start it...the villains saw them and were going to attack them...we did not hear what Speedballs plan was before they were forced to take violent action.
BULL! A dead child is not "collateral damage. It could've been the X-Men, Avengers, or even Spider-man by his lonesome, and I'd still feel the same way.The NW's started a fight with supervillians, next door to a school full of kids. Before they even went to the house they should've had the area cleared of civilians. I would feel the same way if it were ANY other team or hero regardless of if someone was hurt or not.
And Namorita did not knock the guy in school yard, he was escaping and was already in the school area.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They did not really start it...the villains saw them and were going to attack them...
They had reliable intel that criminals were at that location. They went to that location with the plan to catch them w/o taking into regard the civilians in the area. Regardless of who threw the first blow, they started it.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
we did not hear what Speedballs plan was before they were forced to take violent action.
His plan? His plan was to get Namorita some make up, then attack people who were out of their league for the sake of ratings.
NAMORITA: "So what's the plan?"
SPEEDBALL: "The plan is you spend five more minutes in make up, Namorita. You think people want to see that great big ugly zit on your chin? Then we...
Regardless of what he was about to say afterwards, if he doesn't have his priorities straight, he shouldn't be leading a team into battle; and make-up and rating should have been at the very bottom of his list. Maybe if he we're so worried about those things he COULD have told them his plan.
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Originally posted by DarkCrawlerYou're right, she didn't knock him into the school yard, she knocked him into the school bus!
And Namorita did not knock the guy in school yard, he was escaping and was already in the school area.
I guess she made sure it was empty first using her x-ray vision. Oh wait, she doesn't HAVE x-ray vision.
So is leaving a house full of super villans next to school safer than trying to take them down?!? 🤨
I mean this isnt Thanos or Dr. Doom we're talking here, its a bunch of C and B-listers.
The New Warriors only are a tv show so that they are funded to fight crime its not like they wouldnt have done this if they werent on tv 😬
Originally posted by Grimm22
So is leaving a house full of super villans next to school safer than trying to take them down?!? 🤨
Ultimately, no. But as the criminals weren't in the process of breaking the law or threating lives, they did not warrant an immediate response. In other words, the NWs could have taken time out to clear the area first.
Originally posted by Grimm22Standard rule of combat: NEVER underestimate your enemy. Hell, and they're still supervillians, B-lister or not. The NWs chose to fight a group of supervillians next to a school full of children. Did you see for one moment them showing any concern for the safety of those in the area?
I mean this isnt Thanos or Dr. Doom we're talking here, its a bunch of C and B-listers.
Originally posted by Grimm22That isn't the point. When you go into combat, if your mind is on anything else other than the task at hand, you don't need to be going into combat. Speedball's thoughts were eslewhere.
The New Warriors only are a tv show so that they are funded to fight crime its not like they wouldnt have done this if they werent on tv 😬
Originally posted by BlaqChaos
sure the OP was doomed from the get go but this is what im talking about right there, disreagrding everything prior to this instance a few more bonks and his head make a few more dents in the bus is all it would have taken to end this instaed of being a showboaty-Mcmoty
Ok, Namorita could have took him away, flying up in the sky.
But, hey wait, wasn't Captain Stacy killed during a fight between Spidey and Doc Ock?Ok, Ock's tentacles did the job, but Spidey could have moved the battle to another place.
NW are the sacrifical assets, just this, cause of the writer, not cause of them.They've risked their lives quite enough to be called heroes, despite they are young and have a bravado attitude.
About the Thing, ya Benji maked the right decision, and seeing he'll probably move to Canada, lemme think:
Thing, Jessica Jones, some others heroes...Alpha Flight reborn?
Originally posted by K3VIL
Ok, Namorita could have took him away, flying up in the sky.
But, hey wait, wasn't Captain Stacy killed during a fight between Spidey and Doc Ock?Ok, Ock's tentacles did the job, but Spidey could have moved the battle to another place.
NW are the sacrifical assets, just this, cause of the writer, not cause of them.They've risked their lives quite enough to be called heroes, despite they are young and have a bravado attitude.
About the Thing, ya Benji maked the right decision, and seeing he'll probably move to Canada, lemme think:
Thing, Jessica Jones, some others heroes...Alpha Flight reborn?
While im anti registration I dont agree with that statement. What u described about Captain Stacy it could be said that happened at the dawn of the whole superheroism, people were still in amazement and awe with superheroes. There were far less heroes or villains running around. Things like Magneto destroying half of New York, Carnage massacring all those people, the alien invasions, The X-men were pretty unknown, the Hulk destroying city after city, Onslaught were unheard of. Heroes back then were responsible but then came the NW which made a huge mistake and childrens pay for it and this gave the government and Tony Stark(IMO) the perfect excuse to push for the SRA.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
While im anti registration I dont agree with that statement. What u described about Captain Stacy it could be said that happened at the dawn of the whole superheroism, people were still in amazement and awe with superheroes. There were far less heroes or villains running around. Things like Magneto destroying half of New York, Carnage massacring all those people, the alien invasions, The X-men were pretty unknown, the Hulk destroying city after city, Onslaught were unheard of. Heroes back then were responsible but then came the NW which made a huge mistake and childrens pay for it and this gave the government and Tony Stark(IMO) the perfect excuse to push for the SRA.
Actually IM was Anti-Registration at first. He didnt agree with the bill but decided not to oppose it.
It wasnt until CW that he really turned Pro-Reg 😬
