Originally posted by BlaqChaosMy mistake, I mean can. Look at how many situations in which organizations like shield have been broken into by the likes of the kingpin or shaw. They have not shown to me that they are capable of protection if these heroes reveal their identity. Not every hero has the luxury of being Spiderman and having his family stay in the Avengers tower.
First you claimed that the government is incapable of doing something about the problem ("the government is obsolete"😉, then you change and state that they simply won't do anything about the problem ("because no one else will"😉. Re-read you post. Both assertations are inaccurate. As far as saying they "can't," you don't know that. SHIELD and the government has a large well trained, well armed force. However, in the past they have opted to [b]let the heroes take the lead in these situations. It saved them manhours, equipment, and lives. But in recent years, they have noticed that this may not be the best course of action. The reason that they aren't capable of handling some of the threats is because they were relying on heroes to do things. Now that they aren't, they'll adapt to the new situation. Now then, as for saying that they "won't" do anything. They do the best they can with the resourses available to them, and they adapt to the situation as needed. If the heroes truely want to help, they'll do what a normal person does when they want to help - join a law enforcment agency.The Young Avengers took the law into their own hands when they tried to stop a bank robbery, and things went wrong. The New Warriors took the law into their own hands when they tried to apprehend a group of villians, and things went wrong.
In saying that it's okay for the heroes to act outside the law, you are in effect saying to them "Do as you please. Your power makes you about the laws that the rest of humanity must abide by. Do as you see fit, as we know you cannot falter. You are above us, and we have no right to question you." [/B]
And these villians are on a completely different level than the enemies of of most law enforcement teams. When the enemy can nuke a city in an hour, its easy to see why they would want there identity kept secret.
Originally posted by Darth ViciousYes, anyone who wants to continue fighting crime would become a trained, and paid federal employee. I'm on a tight schedule today, so I'll have to address the other stuff later.
I wonder, Is the government going to pay for the services of all the heroes that register? If so how are they even going to afford them
Originally posted by Big Sexy
My mistake, I mean can. Look at how many situations in which organizations like shield have been broken into by the likes of the kingpin or shaw. They have not shown to me that they are capable of protection if these heroes reveal their identity. Not every hero has the luxury of being Spiderman and having his family stay in the Avengers tower.And these villians are on a completely different level than the enemies of of most law enforcement teams. When the enemy can nuke a city in an hour, its easy to see why they would want there identity kept secret.
Everyone seems to fall back on this when speaking out about the govenment being incompetent. True, the government has been comprimised in the past but I doubt it would be as easy to break into government files as everyone makes it. Most heroes identities are already in SHIELD's database, why would registering change anything. Besides, if there are guys like Reed Richards, Hank Pym and Tony Stark advocating registration don't you think maybe they can come up with some way to secure all of the heroes personal info?
Originally posted by marvelprince
Everyone seems to fall back on this when speaking out about the govenment being incompetent. True, the government has been comprimised in the past but I doubt it would be as easy to break into government files as everyone makes it. Most heroes identities are already in SHIELD's database, why would registering change anything. Besides, if there are guys like Reed Richards, Hank Pym and Tony Stark advocating registration don't you think maybe they can come up with some way to secure all of the heroes personal info?
Yes but when everything goes pear shaped then you have a Omac Project: Special Edition on your hands.....
Indeed... think about OMAC Project. That satellite databse was designed by BATMAN for Christ's sake. Who's to say victor Von Doom ISN'T a match for a security system made by Reed? And this isn't like OMAC where it's a top secret project... EVERYONE would know that the government had a top secret database, you'll have the likes of Doom, Norman Osborn, The Kingpin, Seb Shaw, Red skull and God knows who else knowing of it and regularly attemoting to hack the system... besides, it would be too good a storyline to miss...
Originally posted by HellMaster93How is that any better than the millions of people that died in Kingdom Come when the "heroes" had free reign of the planet and innocent people kept dying in the crossfire of their battles?
Indeed... think about OMAC Project. That satellite databse was designed by BATMAN for Christ's sake. Who's to say victor Von Doom ISN'T a match for a security system made by Reed? And this isn't like OMAC where it's a top secret project... EVERYONE would know that the government had a top secret database, you'll have the likes of Doom, Norman Osborn, The Kingpin, Seb Shaw, Red skull and God knows who else knowing of it and regularly attemoting to hack the system... besides, it would be too good a storyline to miss...
Originally posted by Big Sexy
My mistake, I mean can. Look at how many situations in which organizations like shield have been broken into by the likes of the kingpin or shaw. They have not shown to me that they are capable of protection if these heroes reveal their identity. Not every hero has the luxury of being Spiderman and having his family stay in the Avengers tower.
Well let's see. SHIELD has known who Spider-man and Daredevil are for years. The average supervillian knows that SHIELD knows who just about everybody is. Now, name off to me how many villians have discovered a heroes ID from SHILED.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
And these villians are on a completely different level than the enemies of of most law enforcement teams. When the enemy can nuke a city in an hour, its easy to see why they would want there identity kept secret.
So, how does that help the heroes? A bad guy can nuke a city. Spider-man's territory is New York, if they want to get him they'll nuke the city killing Spidey and his family w/o ever knowing who his family is. Give me an example of a past event where a heroes secret ID has kept an insanely powerful bad guy from wiping out their family.
Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Well let's see. SHIELD has known who Spider-man and Daredevil are for years. The average supervillian knows that SHIELD knows who just about everybody is. Now, name off to me how many villians have discovered a heroes ID from SHILED.So, how does that help the heroes? A bad guy can nuke a city. Spider-man's territory is New York, if they want to get him they'll nuke the city killing Spidey and his family w/o ever knowing who his family is. Give me an example of a past event where a heroes secret ID has kept an insanely powerful bad guy from wiping out their family.
john sublime, malcom colcord, uh brent jackson, the contigency etc.
Originally posted by Jade LightningWhat scheming is that? He openly wanted the heroes to work with the government years ago, yet they refused. He told them that a situation like Stamford was going to happen, and that they should do something to difuse the situation ahead of time, yet they dismissed him as too worried about something that'd never happen. He tried to talk the Senate out of the idea of the SRA, and again he failed. He's done everything in his power to prevent things from bubbling up as they have, yet at each turn there have been those that have opposed him. He KNOWS that if things continue as they will, the world will end up like Kingdom Come earth, but no one will listen. They simply think he's yelling the sky is falling. So tell me, what scheming are you tired of?
Personally, Iron Man's scheming is really getting on my nerves, causing me to finally choose a side in the war, as I was on the fence for a long time.I'm with the Underground Resistance Fighters.
Originally posted by willRules
OK good point, fair enough 🙂Therefore the law doesn't always uphold what is generally considered to be morally acceptable. It tries granted, but that's when they need some heroes to "actively patrol" for them. 🙂
But again, that leads to situations like when Speedball and his crew took out an entire neighborhood, and when Magog and his crew took out an entire state.
Civil War issue 2
Official Civil war issue 2 discussion topic.
yeah I'm a week early but I'm not going to be here next Wednesday so i thought what the hell Might as well make it now before I forget..
so what do you expect to happen in this issue?
Joe said something like no spidey fan should miss issue 2.
Originally posted by grey foxkingdome hearts 2??? it WAS AWESOME, and peter isnt going to reveal himself, its HIS responsibilty to be spider-man, no-one elses.
He'll reveal his secret identity to the world.....unless he get's me a copy of KH:2 then it turns out that he get's the Captain Universe powers again and slams a Wolverine/Thanos clone while sleeping with Wonder woman and punking Supes....ALL AT ONCE !!!