Civil War Report

Started by Metalmanx258 pages
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The difference is, that they don't have enemies who can level a small city with a thought. If heroes were stopping normal crooks, then it would be fine...but usually, when a hero stops a villain, the vilain develops a personal vendetta...

Exactly!

Originally posted by Broly92
I do but they choose that as a job it was not inforced unless you meant in the past where people were drafted

Isn't that same thing for a hero? If you want to be a hero you choose to put on a costume and fight crime. What makes you so special that you are above the law?

Originally posted by marvelprince
So you really mean to tell me that you would rather run the risk of going to jail because you don't trust the government. You go unregistered yet you know if you get caught you'll be unmasked, your identity publicly annouced and that your villians will go after your family when your jail and that the government will probably do nothing to pretect them since you were a criminal. Talk about putting the people you care about in danger.

BTW, Cap may have taken down a room full of them but a pair took down the Young Avengers.

You say continue to evade the police like you've been doing. I'd say that having 2 overweight officers yell stop is different than having hundreds of specially trained SHIELD agents and half the superhero community hunting you down

That's why I said you don't get caught. Look at Spider-man. For over forty years, he's been extremely successful in not getting caught and put in jail. If it works for him, why can't it work for the other heroes?

Or Batman for that matter?

Again, Cap took out a whole room of them. Thor could do the same. As could Black Bolt, Namor, Iron Man, Hercules, probably Spider-Man...etc. If so many of these people can do it, so can their enemies. SHIELD means nothing when there are powerful-enough villians out there.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Isn't that same thing for a hero? If you want to be a hero you choose to put on a costume and fight crime. What makes you so special that you are above the law?

But that is it they choose the mask so they should be able to keep it to keep their identity and family and friends save

Originally posted by Broly92
I do but they choose that as a job it was not inforced unless you meant in the past where people were drafted
Heroes choose their jobs too. Just because one has powers doens't mean they must be either a superhero or supervillain. Take Dr. Cecelia Reyes. She chose not to put on a costume and fight crime.

Question- You know the conversation Tony and Emma had about being involved with each other a very long time ago...wouldn't that mean that Stark knowingly slept with with a very corrupt and evil women? (Of course her hotness should also be taken into account)

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Question- You know the conversation Tony and Emma had about being involved with each other a very long time ago...wouldn't that mean that Stark knowingly slept with with a very corrupt and evil women?

Yea, pretty much. But would you suspect anything different from Tony? 😛

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The difference is, that they don't have enemies who can level a small city with a thought. If heroes were stopping normal crooks, then it would be fine...but usually, when a hero stops a villain, the vilain develops a personal vendetta...

I'm sorry to sound cold here, but that comes with the job. Normal people get normal enemies. Superheroes get supervillians. Its the same thing but just on an exaggerated scale. For everything there is a price. Do you think the risk is worth it? If so continue what you do. If not then quit.

IF IGNORANCE IS BLISS THEN I MUST BE VERY HAPPY FOR I AM BEING IGNORED LIKE A FLY ON A WALL , SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS BUT IT SEEMS THE ONLY WAY TO GET ANYONE TO NOTICE YOU IS TO ETHER CREATE A SPITE THREAD OR WRITE IN CAPS.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's why I said you don't get caught. Look at Spider-man. For over forty years, he's been extremely successful in not getting caught and put in jail. If it works for him, why can't it work for the other heroes?
The authorities turned a blind eye to their activities in the past. Hell, Spidey's been on the SHIELD helicarrier. If they wanted him, they would've gotten him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea, pretty much. But would you suspect anything different from Tony? 😛

Now that I think about it...no... but I expected more from the governments poster man...I guess I'll let him off the hook because she's hot. 😄

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's why I said you don't get caught. Look at Spider-man. For over forty years, he's been extremely successful in not getting caught and put in jail. If it works for him, why can't it work for the other heroes?

Or Batman for that matter?

Again, Cap took out a whole room of them. Thor could do the same. As could Black Bolt, Namor, Iron Man, Hercules, probably Spider-Man...etc. If so many of these people can do it, so can their enemies. SHIELD means nothing when there are powerful-enough villians out there.

I don't get the comparison. You had a few officers, normal officers, trying to arrest you. Now you highly trained agents along with other heroes. Spider-Man and Cap may be able to get away from the agents, but what will they do when Sentry or Thor shows up? This isn't some menace thing thats happening, this is the real deal.

Allowing anyone to put on a costume, and run around fighting crime leads was how the Thunderbolts almost took over in the beginning. If the SRA existed then, the government would've known they were villians.

Originally posted by grey fox
IF IGNORANCE IS BLISS THEN I MUST BE VERY HAPPY FOR I AM BEING IGNORED LIKE A FLY ON A WALL , SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS BUT IT SEEMS THE ONLY WAY TO GET ANYONE TO NOTICE YOU IS TO ETHER CREATE A SPITE THREAD OR WRITE IN CAPS.

I apologize, but what exactly are your points? Where do you stand in all of this?

The fact is, there are supervillains so powerful, that no matter what, they can't be stopped of having revenge. How is SHIELD going to contain Magneto when he wants to kill someone? What kind of holding cell will hold time travelers like Kang? What are they going to do when Dormammu wants to kill someone who assisted Dr. Strange? Put him in prison? What kind of S.H.I.E.L.D. troops will protect Nighthawk's family 24/7 from Nebulon the Celestial Man?

Goverment simply does not have resources to protect heroes families from the enemies who have easily got their Secret ID's when they are now so easy to access. I someone like Doctor Doom would broke through S.H.I.E.L.D defenses like a knife through butter. I suppose that they could have Reed to shield them...but what happens if someone like Mad Thinker would happen to go through the defenses? The risk would be too big.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Question- You know the conversation Tony and Emma had about being involved with each other a very long time ago...wouldn't that mean that Stark knowingly slept with with a very corrupt and evil women? (Of course her hotness should also be taken into account)
So, Spidey has had the hots for Black Cat, and Silver Sable. Batman has the hots for Catwoman, and Daredevil has Electra and Black Widow. A man's desire for "bad girls" doesn't mean anything.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
INNOCENT?! No one is putting a gun to these people's head and forcing them to illegally go out on the street and fight crime.

No but the heroes do it because it is the right thing to do. But now for them, doing the right thing has become illegal.............

Originally posted by marvelprince
Do you think the risk is worth it? If so continue what you do. If not then quit.
Sure, that would work...

If not for the supervillains. What if all heroes would choose to retire because the deaths that would happen when their secrets would be exposed? What will you do next time when Terminus wants to destroy the Earth?

Pray?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Again, Cap took out a whole room of them. Thor could do the same. As could Black Bolt, Namor, Iron Man, Hercules, probably Spider-Man...etc. If so many of these people can do it, so can their enemies. SHIELD means nothing when there are powerful-enough villians out there.

Id say that now that Fury isnt in charge. The people at S.H.I.E.L.D seem like rookies in handleing super or peak humans.

Fury, the majority of the time always had some kind of preparation if he were going after a meta or peak being. S.H.I.E.L.D has a counter for almost every Earth based villain or hero. Most not all. Plus identities were known with or without the persons consent. Not to toot Fury's horn here but if he were there and wanted people to join him, hed have alot more members than they(without Fury)already do.

S.H.I.E.L.D now seems watered down imo.

Originally posted by willRules
No but the heroes do it because it is the right thing to do. But now for them, doing the right thing has become illegal.............
If they feel it's SO RIGHT, if they feel it MUST be done, then why won't they do it the legal way?