Civil War Report

Started by BlaqChaos258 pages

Originally posted by Black Adam
well they needed the ratings in order to have a show.. they needed the show in order to stay a team because night thrasher no longer had the money to finance the team and insure the damage there super hero battles cost.

So since they lack the funding to do a job the proper way, they decided to do it half-assed and got a bunch of people killed in the process.

[i]Originally posted by Black Adam
and they really had no other choice but to rush since there cover was blown and they had not time to plan.
They KNEW ahead of time what they were geting into. What? You think they just stumbled across a house in the suburbs filled with supervillians?! They tracked them there, and made a bad call.

[i]Originally posted by Black Adam
let 4 super killers on the FBI most wanted list get away and escape or go after them? they made the split second decision that any other super hero would have made.
[i]They knew where they were at ahead of time. They should have notified SHIELD.

Originally posted by H. S. 6

In fact, that begs the question: why were they even sitting out in the open at all, in plain site of anybody coming out of the back door of the house?

they were behind a couple of trees and bush and the camera crew was behind a big fence..i guess they didn't think they would be spotted.

there really aren't that many good hiding places in a suburban neighborhood.

Originally posted by Black Adam
they were behind a couple of trees and bush and the camera crew was behind a big fence..i guess they didn't think they would be spotted.

there really aren't that many good hiding places in a suburban neighborhood.

How about staying in the van? I'd think that would make a pretty good planning spot.

I would like to point out that they never really were quite as reckless as many think. For everything that happened they knew exactly who they were fighting and what they were capable off and were doing pretty well.

That is until Nitro demosntrated firepower he had never shown before. They didn't do nearly as bad as people are claiming.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos

So since they lack the funding to do a job the proper way, they decided to do it half-assed and got a bunch of people killed in the process.

what was half ass about there funding again?

[i]Originally posted by BlaqChaos

[i]They KNEW ahead of time what they were geting into. What? You think they just stumbled across a house in the suburbs filled with supervillians?! They tracked them there, and made a bad call.

judging from there mini they probably just heard a rumor from some random town person and decide to check it out to see if it were true or not.

[i]Originally posted by BlaqChaos
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[i]They knew where they were at ahead of time. They should have notified SHIELD.

calling shield isn't that simple and doesn't always work. If they even manged to get them to respond they would probably takes a day or two for them to act ....

the Drax mini comes to mind were they got there days after the town had already been halfway destroyed and a lot of people had already been killed. The kid who was putting out the distress calls to most of the super hero teams and organizations kept getting answering machines.

If it isn't NYC or Washington the response isn't always that fast.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
How about staying in the van? I'd think that would make a pretty good planning spot.

they needed to see who was in the house first.

Originally posted by newjak86
I would like to point out that they never really were quite as reckless as many think. For everything that happened they knew exactly who they were fighting and what they were capable off and were doing pretty well.

That is until Nitro demosntrated firepower he had never shown before. They didn't do nearly as bad as people are claiming.

Completely agree.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
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[i]They KNEW ahead of time what they were geting into. What? You think they just stumbled across a house in the suburbs filled with supervillians?! They tracked them there, and made a bad call.

Well terrorists hide out in heavily civilan populated areas. Because they know that people will be more reluctant to attack them there.

That and none of the villans were THAT powerful. Nitro was only that powerful due to drugs 😬

Originally posted by Black Adam
what was half ass about there funding again?
They were not properly trained or equiped to deal with the threat at hand. They said so themselves before proceding in.

Originally posted by Black Adam
judging from there mini they probably just heard a rumor from some random town person and decide to check it out to see if it were true or not.
Instead of notifying the authorities (who have been trained and have official procedures for these situations), they decided to go in on their own. It's really quite simple. If I hear a rumor that a bunch of criminals are hold up in a house in town, do I A) notify the authorities, or B) get my shotgun out of the closet and go in guns ablazing? Just because they have powers, doesn't qualify them to enforce the law in their own right and authority.

Originally posted by Black Adam
calling shield isn't that simple and doesn't always work.
REALLY? They could have notified local law enforcement, who would have contacted the Feds, who would've contacted SHIELD. That's how a chain of command and authority works.

Originally posted by Black Adam
If they even manged to get them to respond they would probably takes a day or two for them to act ....
SHIELD would asses the situation and respond as appropriate. They may just observe them and tail them until they were in an area that would not present so high a risk for civilian casualties. The WHOLE idea of going after criminals is to keep the public safe, not to catch the bad guys. If you have to wait to respond to keep people safe, that's what you do. If you have to let the bad guys go in order to protect the public, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO! The primary mission of ALL law enforcement is to PROTECT and SERVE. Those criminals did not warrent the actions that the New Warrior team took. The failed in their mission to PROTECT the public.

Originally posted by Black Adam
the Drax mini comes to mind were they got there days after the town had already been halfway destroyed and a lot of people had already been killed. The kid who was putting out the distress calls to most of the super hero teams and organizations kept getting answering machines.

If it isn't NYC or Washington the response isn't always that fast.

Yet you have STILL failed to show any evidence that these criminals posed a clear and present danger to the public that warrented an immediate response and apprehension.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Well terrorists hide out in heavily civilan populated areas. Because they know that people will be more reluctant to attack them there.
If a precision strike cannot be achieved, then you either discretely evacuate the area of civilians, or don't attack at all. You wait, and observe the target until a better moment to strike. Yes, you may lose the target while tracking, but that option is preferrable to the collateral damage in civilains lives and property that will likely occur by not waiting.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Do you think trained heroes would have made these mistakes?

Yes ✅ I mean at the moment both Iron-man and Cap are making a much worse mistake by letting a bit of paper get in the way of saving people's lives. I mean whatever side you agree with, you can't deny that both sides are choosing to fight each other over saving the day ✅

And whilst I agree that they should be trained for better chances of success in the field of work, that's not always a guarantee. House of M is proof of that ✅

Originally posted by willRules
Yes ✅ I mean at the moment both Iron-man and Cap are making a much worse mistake by letting a bit of paper get in the way of saving people's lives. I mean whatever side you agree with, you can't deny that both sides are choosing to fight each other over saving the day ✅

And whilst I agree that they should be trained for better chances of success in the field of work, that's not always a guarantee. House of M is proof of that ✅

That's like saying a normal person off the street would react to a bank robbery, the same way a cop would; that anyone off the street would do the same exact thing as a fireman in a burning building during a crisis.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
That's like saying a normal person off the street would react to a bank robbery, the same way a cop would; that anyone off the street would do the same exact thing as a fireman in a burning building during a crisis.

No it's not. ❌ Read my post again.

It's actually a lot more like saying that a cop is more likely to react better to a situation but it isn't always a guarantee ✅

Originally posted by BlaqChaos

If a precision strike cannot be achieved, then you either discretely evacuate the area of civilians, or don't attack at all. You wait, and observe the target until a better moment to strike. Yes, you may lose the target while tracking, but that option is preferrable to the collateral damage in civilains lives and property that will likely occur by not waiting.

Yes but then more people get killed because they got away 😐

So ask yourself whats the greater good?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Yes but then more people get killed because they got away 😐

So ask yourself whats the greater good?

No because most of the criminals are out for things like money. They usually will try to avoid killing people unless they see no alternative. I have Law Enforcement experiance, and I can tell you that (unless it involves the recovery of nukes) you NEVER put civilian lives in danger just to catch the bad guys. The safety and security of the civies comes first and formost. The New Warriors may have understood that if they were trained.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
No because most of the criminals are out for things like money. They usually will try to avoid killing people unless they see no alternative. I have Law Enforcement experiance, and I can tell you that (unless it involves the recovery of nukes) you NEVER put civilian lives in danger just to catch the bad guys. The safety and security of the civies comes first and formost. The New Warriors may have understood that if they were trained.

I think u mean normal criminals. Marvel Universe criminals are different. You have guys like Sabretooth, Carnage, Nitro that doesnt acre about humans lives. So I dont think normal laws apply in the MU.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I think u mean normal criminals. Marvel Universe criminals are different. You have guys like Sabretooth, Carnage, Nitro that doesnt acre about humans lives. So I dont think normal laws apply in the MU.

Exactly. You can't apply the same Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) to super-villians.

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Originally posted by willRules
Yes ✅ I mean at the moment both Iron-man and Cap are making a much worse mistake by letting a bit of paper get in the way of saving people's lives. I mean whatever side you agree with, you can't deny that both sides are choosing to fight each other over saving the day ✅

And whilst I agree that they should be trained for better chances of success in the field of work, that's not always a guarantee. House of M is proof of that ✅

Sure, something can always go wrong, but you said it yourself: There is a hgiher chance of success when soldiers (or, in this case, heroes) are trained.

Furthermore, if something was to go wrong, the authorities would be able to evaluate what had happened and decide who was responsible, to what extent was it collateral damage, etc.

That's true ✅