Civil War Report

Originally posted by Grimm22
How was Nitro defending himself?!? 🤨

Thats like saying a criminal with a gun surronded by police is defending himself when he starts shooting people 😐

Originally posted by willRules
I think speedball should apologise for jumping into a situation like that, however it's not his fault 600 + people died, it was Nitro ✅

There were a million and one better ways the NWs could've handled the situation, but they failed to. The criminals did exactly what anyone with half a mind would think a criminal would do. They did whatever necessary to secure their escape. The NWs charged in w/o a plan, and w/o regard to the safety of the people they claim to be trying to protect. Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe there was a reason that the criminals chose to hold up next door to a school?

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
There were a million and one better ways the NWs could've handled the situation, but they failed to. The criminals did exactly what anyone with half a mind would think a criminal would do. They did whatever necessary to secure their escape. The NWs charged in w/o a plan, and w/o regard to the safety of the people they claim to be trying to protect. Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe there was a reason that the criminals chose to hold up next door to a school?

Could you have done any better than them ?

Originally posted by A.J
Could you have done any better than them ?

I would have waited till late evening when the school was unoccupied, quietly evacuate the civilians from the local area, and sent a tactical and sent a tactical team in to hit sneak in and hit as many as they could with tranquilizers without waking them up.

Yeah but then agan it easier to be a Monday Mourning quarterback right.
Listen they were scoting the area and they were deciding what to do they hadn't even come to a decision yet when they were spotted.
They had a spilt second top make a decision on the matter. Do we back off now letting them escape or take them down now when they are caught off guard.

Many of the comic book Super Heros would have done the same thing the NW's have done and any number of police would have done the same thing.

Well looks like the new american based Alpha Flight is taking shape, some heroes are already leaving for Canada such as Jessica Jones.

Originally posted by newjak86
Yeah but then agan it easier to be a Monday Mourning quarterback right.

Originally posted by newjak86
Listen they were scoting the area and they were deciding what to do they hadn't even come to a decision yet when they were spotted.

Originally posted by newjak86
They had a spilt second top make a decision on the matter. Do we back off now letting them escape or take them down now when they are caught off guard.

Originally posted by newjak86
Many of the comic book Super Heros would have done the same thing the NW's have done

Originally posted by newjak86
and any number of police would have done the same thing.

Spoiler:
ROSEMONT, Ill. -- Marvel's Civil War panel at Wizard World Chicago featured three New Avengers-related announcements.

New Avengers #26, by Brian Michael Bendis and Alex Maleev, will feature the return of Scarlet Witch and Hawkeye. "We'll show where they are, where they've been and what's next," editor Tom Brevoort said.

Leinil Yu takes over as artist with New Avengers #27.

Jim Cheung is joining Bendis for New Avengers: Illuminati, a five-issue mini-series. Brevoort said the mini-series will explore the history of the group and that it will be revealed to the Marvel Universe at large.

In other notes from the panel:

* Marvel Boy will show up in Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways #2.

* Brevoort said "somebody will die" in Civil War #4.

* Brevoort said that the Thunderbolts will have a big impact on Civil War and that Civil War will have a big impact on the Thunderbolts.

* Will the Fantastic Four replace Ben Grimm? "Maybe," Brevoort said.

* The Inhumans will appear in New Avengers #24 and their situation will also be addressed in Civil War Front Line.

* Brevoort said he couldn't reveal the role of villains in Civil War, but Jenkins noted that Norman Osborn will be featured in Front Line.

* Will the Hulk return before the end of Civil War? "Maybe," Brevoort said.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0608/05/civilwar.htm

yeah sure they couldve handled it better if they were properly trained but you gotta realize that these kids adrenaline were surging and thier ego got in the way of everyhting else..as we've seen in thier previous mini they are of the habit of reciting canned one liners during combat, and when the audio wasnt strong enuff they would be asked to reapet for the cameras. and this time was no different.

take a look at the young avengers..the moment they decided to form a team the first thing they did was seek out the grown ups for training, and when they said no they were like f **** it we'll practice on our own, and they've been doing a pretty ok job of it since.

The NWs on the other hand was plagued with nonsense. Nova was just biding his time til the opportunity arose for him to hit the big time so he was the biggest grandstander of them all, luckily he left b4 all this went down. Namorita was just on the surface cuz she was bored having to fight sea monsters and feed the poor ppl of atlantis. microbe was just glad to be around ppl, speedball was just some goofy kid loking for adventure, and night thrasher just wanted to be loved and respected AKA he wanted friends..and i hold him mostly reposinsible cuz since he's supposed to be analog of batman, with the killer tactics and super sttrategems he should have personally mapped out the OP so i say screw them they desreve to die😄

these idiots just thought that they were dealing with the same second raters theyve grown accustomed to so im absolutely positive that even knowing that there were kids around wouldnt have mattered to them they wouldve just rushed in anyway..even namorita had at least two chances to end it, but she was there gloating like some imbacile and allowed dude to let off

Originally posted by manjaro
yeah sure they couldve handled it better if they were properly trained but you gotta realize that these kids adrenaline were surging and thier ego got in the way of everyhting else..as we've seen in thier previous mini they are of the habit of reciting canned one liners during combat, and when the audio wasnt strong enuff they would be asked to reapet for the cameras. and this time was no different.

take a look at the young avengers..the moment they decided to form a team the first thing they did was seek out the grown ups for training, and when they said no they were like f **** it we'll practice on our own, and they've been doing a pretty ok job of it since.

The NWs on the other hand was plagued with nonsense. Nova was just biding his time til the opportunity arose for him to hit the big time so he was the biggest grandstander of them all, luckily he left b4 all this went down. Namorita was just on the surface cuz she was bored having to fight sea monsters and feed the poor ppl of atlantis. microbe was just glad to be around ppl, speedball was just some goofy kid loking for adventure, and night thrasher just wanted to be loved and respected AKA he wanted friends..and i hold him mostly reposinsible cuz since he's supposed to be analog of batman, with the killer tactics and super sttrategems he should have personally mapped out the OP so i say screw them they desreve to die😄

these idiots just thought that they were dealing with the same second raters theyve grown accustomed to so im absolutely positive that even knowing that there were kids around wouldnt have mattered to them they wouldve just rushed in anyway..even namorita had at least two chances to end it, but she was there gloating like some imbacile and allowed dude to let off

Ok here's a thought that I have just had from reading the wolverine 44 the cw tie in. just as nitro was about the give the name of the guy who gave him the mutant growth hormone (mgh) he got knocked out. I'm am not saying that is conspiracy in itself, but what if nitro was specifically used in the stamford incident as a guranteed catalyst for the registration act. What if someone high up gave him the drug because they knew that nitro and his crew were being tracked by the new warriors. Nitro does tell wolverine that there is someone way more important that him at the end of this, so yea it's just somethign i'd thought i would toss out there, discuss.

I know who it is, it´s Andros 😱

nah im not reading into it that deep. they propbably just wanna get this conspiracy stuff outta the way nowm that when the CW is over marvel has material to write about, cuz you gotta ask yourself, after all is said and done where will they go from here. so i imagine its gonna be something along the lines of they pitted us against each other, now lets go after them then all the heroes are gonna band together to route out the conspirators....or it could go along the lines of Baron Zemo saying that grandmaster told him that big trouble for earth is brewing and he'll need an army😬

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Let's see... There's a criminal killer, who doesn't care about anyone but himself, doesn't want to go to jail, is more than willing to kill an innocent person to keep from going to jail, and is capable of blow himself up, killing everyone in the immediate area, living next to a school. Do I think it's a good idea to charge in and try to grab him while school in in session during the middle of the day, or should I discretely evacuate the area first, then move in later in the night when most of them have probably gone to bed, and try to hit them with tranqs, the way that SHIELD took down Wiccan and Cloak?

Well obviously the latter, but that's not my point ❌

My point is that if you chose to do the former, it's your fault that you behaved irresponsibly, granted. But it's not your fault all those people died, it's still Nitro's fault. he still chose to kill those people, not you ✅

......And yet speedball is getting the blame for all those deaths when it's not him who killed them, it was Nitro. Speedball behaved irresponsibly, it can even be argued, he led Nitro to do that, but it was still nitro's fault all those people died ✅

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
There were a million and one better ways the NWs could've handled the situation, but they failed to. The criminals did exactly what anyone with half a mind would think a criminal would do. They did whatever necessary to secure their escape. The NWs charged in w/o a plan, and w/o regard to the safety of the people they claim to be trying to protect. Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe there was a reason that the criminals chose to hold up next door to a school?

careful, blaq. that almost sounds like you're excusing what the 'known criminals' would do. the new warriors should have played by a set of rules that the criminals can disregard without consequence? the bottom line is, nitro blew up next to a school. he knew he was taking those drugs to alter his powers, and he knew there were children in the school. his callous disregard for their lives should have warranted him much more than just a chase from one ornery mutant.

Originally posted by willRules
Well obviously the latter, but that's not my point ❌

My point is that if you chose to do the former, it's your fault that you behaved irresponsibly, granted. But it's not your fault all those people died, it's still Nitro's fault. he still chose to kill those people, not you ✅

......And yet speedball is getting the blame for all those deaths when it's not him who killed them, it was Nitro. Speedball behaved irresponsibly, it can even be argued, he led Nitro to do that, but it was still nitro's fault all those people died ✅

If a convicted child sex offender is released and gets a job at a school. If that person ends up molesting a child, when people are asking whose "fault" it is, they're not looking to the sex offender. He did exactly as you'd expect him to do. What people are looking for is who let him get a job in a school.

Nitro's a criminal, a killer. No one's surprised that he killed people. But when people look at this situation andask about "fault," they're asking "why did he kill these people?" And the answer is "So he could get away from the superheroes that were chasing him."

You can't place a wanted criminal in a volitile situation and expect to be surprised when the situation blows up in your face. And by attacking them next door to a school, that's exactly what the NW's did.

What the public wants from Speedball is for him to accept his part in what happened. Is he solely to blame? No, but he refuses to accept ANY responsibility for what happened. That refusal is why so much attention is focused on him.

Originally posted by Disappear
careful, blaq. that almost sounds like you're excusing what the 'known criminals' would do. the new warriors should have played by a set of rules that the criminals can disregard without consequence? the bottom line is, nitro blew up next to a school. he knew he was taking those drugs to alter his powers, and he knew there were children in the school. his callous disregard for their lives should have warranted him much more than just a chase from one ornery mutant.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Look at it this way. "Fault" is asking whose irresponsible actions directly or indirectly led to an event accidentally or purposely occuring. When people look to find out whose fault it was 9/11 happened, their not looking to the terrorist. The terrorist did exactly as anyone would expect them to; thus it's not their "fault" in these terms. What people are looking for is who contributed to it happening through negligence, action or inaction. "Fault" is asking who let them through security with box cutters?

The terrorist chose to detonate the bombs didn't they? I'm not saying that the person who let them through security shouldn't be blamed for their carelessness. But it was not their fault all those people died, it's still the terrorist's fault.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
If a convicted child sex offender is released and gets a job at a school. If that person ends up molesting a child, when people are asking whose "fault" it is, they're not looking to the sex offender. He did exactly as you'd expect him to do. What people are looking for is who let him get a job in a school.

But it was still the sex offenders fault for what happened to the child. And it's what you expect him to do? 🤨 are you excusing the actions of a sex offender? I agree some blame should be on those who allowed him to get the job, but it's not their fault for what happened to the child, it's the sex offenders ✅

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Nitro's a criminal, a killer. No one's surprised that he killed people. But when people look at this situation andask about "fault," they're asking "why did he kill these people?" And the answer is "So he could get away from the superheroes that were chasing him."

And the superheroes should be blamed for their carelessness, obviously, but they did not kill those people, Nitro did

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
What the public wants from Speedball is for him to accept his part in what happened. Is he solely to blame? No, but he refuses to accept ANY responsibility for what happened. That refusal is why so much attention is focused on him.

I agree. Speedball may not have killed all those people, but was a careless idiot, and that's why he should be punished ✅

Originally posted by willRules
The terrorist chose to detonate the bombs didn't they? I'm not saying that the person who let them through security shouldn't be blamed for their carelessness. But it was not their fault all those people died, it's still the terrorist's fault.

"Blame" is used for those who are most directly responsible. "Fault" is used for those who contributed to, or are partly responsible. That's why they say "The [b]blame lies squarely on his head." and not "The fault lies squarely on his head."

Make more sense now?

But it was still the sex offenders fault for what happened to the child. And it's what you expect him to do? 🤨 are you excusing the actions of a sex offender? I agree some blame should be on those who allowed him to get the job, but it's not their fault for what happened to the child, it's the sex offenders ✅

And the superheroes should be blamed for their carelessness, obviously, but they did not kill those people, Nitro did

I agree. Speedball may not have killed all those people, but was a careless idiot, and that's why he should be punished ✅ [/B]