Visual Storytelling at it's finest....

And how about Lucas who was always in the editing room to help it get cut?

He was described by James Cameron "George is an editor, he thinks in cuts." during that tribute that Vintage and I were talking about in the other thread.

I know that Kershner and Marquand were responsible with some of the acting choices and so-on, but I think some scenes probably looked the way that they did because Lucas told Kershner and Marquand how he wanted them to play out when he told them the story. (which we all know he wrote)

In case of Empire I am certain that was not the case/ Kershner made a huge mark on the SW saga, it's difficult to imagine now or prove. But we are talkinga bout a guy who totally designed and orchestrated the whole Hoth battle from concept to the earliest form of animatics we know. Kershner's influence and impact on the saga is probably HUGE, coz Lucas didn't want Marquand to have that much control.

Plus knowing Ron Howard's experience on Willow, it's quite clear that Lucas does let the director be the director. It would go against all his principles not too and in fact that is why he wanted to direct the PT himself.

And an update:

Many focus on the similar paths of Anakin and Luke (strong Jedi) and of Padme and Leia (fiesty senator), but it goes the opposite ways as well:

Anakin/Leia takes charge:

"I'm taking him now!"

"Somebody has to save our skins."

Anakin/Leia talks trash to the captor:

"General Grievous, you're shorter than I expected."

"Darth Vader. Only you could be so bold.... The Imperial Senate will not sit still for this. When they hear you've attacked a diplomati..."

Sorry but those two are so random.... hardly a parallel.

Honestly, if we go down that road you can make parallels between any movies.

Well...are you actually reading into things contextually? Finding depper meanings? Or just taking shots of similar plot composition and narrative significance?

Not a dig, but I just don't really see much coming out of this.

Me neither. The concept of this thread was to see visual parallels signifying content similarities of the SW characters, similar situations different choices.
But taht doesn't mean any from of framing has a deeper meaning by itself and that a similar frame in another movie means there is a parallel. You can do comparisons in similar framing to any film.

Originally posted by queeq
In case of Empire I am certain that was not the case/ Kershner made a huge mark on the SW saga, it's difficult to imagine now or prove. But we are talkinga bout a guy who totally designed and orchestrated the whole Hoth battle from concept to the earliest form of animatics we know. Kershner's influence and impact on the saga is probably HUGE, coz Lucas didn't want Marquand to have that much control.

Better hurry, Kershner's getting on in years.

Nah, KErshener's my hero anyway. And not only because of ESB, he has several other great pics to his name.

Originally posted by queeq
Nah, KErshener's my hero anyway. And not only because of ESB, he has several other great pics to his name.

I concur (Y)

Good.

Hmm... I'd gotten so busy with work that I've neglected this thread.

I've tons more pics of recurring or repeated themes and shots, as well as reversed themes and shots.

I'll have to update tomorrow and try to get back to it at least once a week.

I'd guess that there's at least 50 more, some significant, some more subtle.

Good show, keep em coming.

First new one in a while, kind of a goof really.

Intended as an echo, I'm sure:

Going back to my Anakin/Leia from the other page:

😛

Now seriously, here's where a neat little moment shows the switch again, this time it's Luke/Padme instead of Luke/Anakin:

Longshot

Plunk!

Movin' on up

Ka-boom!

Naboo

It Was the Best of Times, It Was the Worst of Times:

It Was the Best of Times Again

😛

i dont know dude...where you see genius in unification of a saga, i see lazy, unimaginative, and unoriginal material/composition/props/etc borrowed from the first saga. no new experiences, but rather the novelty of sentimental elements from 25 years ago. whats new and interesting (both, not either/or 😛 )

The first ship we see is also the last one seen:

First and last scenes of Vader:

In ROTS he walks away from us, surrounded by darkness.
In ANH he starts his way back to us, in the light.

(and I know that there is technically one more shot of Vader side by side with palps, but play along.) 😛

Originally posted by Schecter
i dont know dude...where you see genius in unification of a saga, i see lazy, unimaginative, and unoriginal material/composition/props/etc borrowed from the first saga. no new experiences, but rather the novelty of sentimental elements from 25 years ago. whats new and interesting (both, not either/or 😛 )

Hey, you and Queeq may be right about that.

I'm just throwing it all out here so we can see it. In exactly how many places its done, and how.

But yes, some of them I love.

Like Obi standing above Anakin in ROTS, which is mirrored by Luke standing above Vader in ROTJ and vader even says: "Obi-wan has taught you well." (2 or 3 pages back.)

Now that wasn't the original intent of the scene, but Lucas ret-conned it pretty well, and now that quiet moment of him down the stairs looking at Luke for a sec before heading back up has much more significance.

I agree with Schecter. Still, nice work in getting all this together. You may be unmasking the supposed genius of Lucas. 😉

or you just might be killing him with kindness 😛