Ghost Rider vs Doomsday

Part 2, Numecet shows up

1.

basic splash page

2.

Immediatly she rushes to Strange's side, this does indicate concern over his life.

in pannel 2-4 she is assessing his lifesigns (apparently) and then by the last panel has turned her attention compleatly to GR.

3.

Not really important to the debate, aside from the fact that, after having just assessed Strange's physical condition, Numecet is compleatly uninterested in providing AR, CPR or obtaining any other forms of care for Strange. On the previous pages she had shown concern through her actions.

4.

Exact same as previous scan. No concern for Strange's health after assessing him, although there was prior to

5.

again, no rush at all

Part 3, Strange comes back

An important note, after the last scan with Strange's body under the two arguing, the comic goes on for the rest of the issue as if there is a conversation between Numecet and Ghost Rider. They are still in the cemetary and there is no mention of Strange, though the conversation would have taken a few minutes. Long enough that, were strange really dying, he would have been dead of have suffered serious brain damage

1.

It clearly looks like Numecet's tears wake Mr. Strange up. This means one of two things:

a) Numecet has the power to revive people with her tears. However, if she had this power and only used it now when Strange was out of harms way (ie, Ghost rider had left) it clearly shows that she was not concerned with Strange dying.

b) (this is also the one I like) comics are full of cliches. Tears waking someone up is the least cheesy nuance of the genre (of lots of genres really)

but this raises a good question, why is numecet crying?

2.

because of stuff that GR said about killing people and satan. NOT what GR did to strange.

In fact, the tears that might have saved strange would have been shed over an unrelated matter, which leads me even further to suspect choice "b" above

Originally posted by King_Mungi
NO! There is no indication it kills. You have no proof it does.

It caused Strange to go catatonic and stop breathing, if you have any medical knowledge thats called Shock and people do die from it.

We can assume the only thing that saved him was his immortality.

So on a normal person who isn't immortal it would cause them to go into a cataonic state and stop breathing hence die.

So, what I conclude is this

1) The stare COULD have been powered up by the Spirit of Vengence (if thats at all possible) however we dont know that

2) It is most likely that it would not have killed Strange, though there is no evidence for what it would do to a normal human

to make this relevant to the topic though.... Has GR ever used the stare on something that does not have human level capacities for developing morality?

Like, say he used it on a tiger, would the tiger feel pain for all the animals it had killed?

Originally posted by Starhawk
It caused Strange to go catatonic and stop breathing, if you have any medical knowledge thats called Shock and people do die from it.

We can assume the only thing that saved him was his immortality.

So on a normal person who isn't immortal it would cause them to go into a cataonic state and stop breathing hence die.

Hardly as in the Spirit of Vengeance it was said when the peance stare hits people they do the same thing as the "shock, they lose their breath". If I have time tommorow since I work I will get the scans.

Have no proof either or

NO! You have no proof of that either, good lord you tell me to provide proof yet you can make assumptions and claim them as fact?

Your entire point where it was stated by Strange that the penance stare was augmented is incorrent and that's what started this entire debate. Admit you were wrong with that, and we can all move on.

Originally posted by Starhawk
It caused Strange to go catatonic and stop breathing, if you have any medical knowledge thats called Shock and people do die from it.

shock is a little differant...

however, it is NOT the lack of breathing that kills someone, it is the series of events that follows not intaking oxygen for long enough

yes, thats splitting hairs and getting really technical, if you want to keep saying it your way, nobody who isnt trained medically wont correct you

Originally posted by Starhawk
We can assume the only thing that saved him was his immortality.

there is no indication of what saved him. This speculation is as likely as saying Numecet saved him while assessing him in part 2 of the scans I posted

Originally posted by Starhawk
So on a normal person who isn't immortal it would cause them to go into a cataonic state and stop breathing hence die.

there is no evidence of what would happen if GR used his stare on a mortal. There is no evidence that a mortal would go catatonic

I think there is a major thing people are missing here. Strange is a time traveling, dimensional jumping, abstract battling sorcerer supreme. The suffering he has caused has probably been so much more than any mortal could comprehend......

now, please note, none of this says that GR could not kill a mortal with a PS. It is just that Marvel has not shown GR killing a mortal with the PS.

Originally posted by inamilist
there is no evidence of what would happen if GR used his stare on a mortal. There is no evidence that a mortal would go catatonic

I think there is a major thing people are missing here. Strange is a time traveling, dimensional jumping, abstract battling sorcerer supreme. The suffering he has caused has probably been so much more than any mortal could comprehend......

now, please note, none of this says that GR could not kill a mortal with a PS. It is just that Marvel has not shown GR killing a mortal with the PS.

THANK YOU! That's what I have been saying.

The effect's of the Penance Stare put Strange into a state of shock, which has killed many normal humans. If he did it to a human then the effect would kill.

Originally posted by Starhawk
The effect's of the Penance Stare put Strange into a state of shock, which has killed many normal humans. If he did it to a human then the effect would kill.

Killed many humans eh? now I'm going to pull your card...proof!

Originally posted by Starhawk
The effect's of the Penance Stare put Strange into a state of shock, which has killed many normal humans. If he did it to a human then the effect would kill.

Shock is much less deadly than you seem to be assuming

bite on your finger, guess what, you are now in shock!

to properly make an assessment like this, we would have to be able to quantify the ammount of suffering that strange has caused and then say:

X ammount of suffering causes Y ammount of shock in a PS.

maybe if a normal human had caused as much suffering as strange, it would kill them, this is probably a solid hypothesis

but like all hypothesis(i), it needs further proof. Since we have to wait for marvel to give us examples, there is an impasse.

Basically, if you assume anything, its incorrect until marvel confirms it. The whole thing with Wolverine and immortality is a perfect example of this.

anyways, back to GR vs DD, has GR ever PS'd anything that wasnt human?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Killed many humans eh? now I'm going to pull your card...proof!

lol, it does

however, its not a deadly thing like he is alluding to

your body naturally shuts down its functions in the case of massive problems. If you have ever fainted after being injured, that is shock

in some cases it can lead to heart failure or other such things, but for the most part is an evoloutionarily adaptive function that helps preserve organic life rather than kill it.

Anaphlaxis on the other hand....

Originally posted by inamilist
lol, it does

however, its not a deadly thing like he is alluding to

your body naturally shuts down its functions in the case of massive problems. If you have ever fainted after being injured, that is shock

in some cases it can lead to heart failure or other such things, but for the most part is an evoloutionarily adaptive function that helps preserve organic life rather than kill it.

Anaphlaxis on the other hand....

Well yes, if it's shock such as heart failure than that's fine. I thought he meant it out right kills you as is.

which goes with my earlier comments about how thugs during the peanace stare couldn't breath after being inflicted with it. They didn't outright die from the stare

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well yes, if it's shock such as heart failure than that's fine. I thought he meant it out right kills you as is.

lol, no, its mostly helpful

EDIT: 😛

Yeah I edited my comment above incase you missed it.

🙂 man, im such a bully

bully? how so? I thought you posts were informative.

LOL

and sarcasm isnt my strong suit

you're good people mungi!

Thanks, but today I'm not. I lost my cool and I apologize to Starhawk for my earlier comments, hopefully he won't take offence

Uh...looking back I was in a rush with my posts in this thread.. and good lord, typos galore.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Killed many humans eh? now I'm going to pull your card...proof!

Okay this is what happened. The overload from the Penace Stare was too much for Strange's mind/body to handle and his body shut down and he stopped breathing.

Any Doctor would tell you that this without medical attention would kill, (Save for those covered under magical immortality, and NO that is NOT the name of an insurance company)

The old Penance Stare at it's worst drove people insane. Not making their bodys shutdown.

Also when was Zarathos seen last?

Originally posted by Starhawk
Okay this is what happened. The overload from the Penace Stare was too much for Strange's mind/body to handle and his body shut down and he stopped breathing.

Any Doctor would tell you that this without medical attention would kill, (Save for those covered under magical immortality, and NO that is NOT the name of an insurance company)

The old Penance Stare at it's worst drove people insane. Not making their bodys shutdown.

Also when was Zarathos seen last?

Yeah we established, I thought you were implying the stare itself would kill. It's basically what I was going on about how the thugs lost their breath and collapsed when Dan gave them the stare

Couldn't tell you, last I saw him was in an Exiles cameo.