Blind Spider-man vs Daredevil

Originally posted by jrodslam
Just remember who it was that trained Spidey somewhat and helped him use his SS better.

Spidey wouldnt be COMPLETELY useless, but hes hindered too much against DD like this.

DD's senses work on their own. Spidey uses his tracker.

Ok you do realise that was only after he had just gone blind, the scans I posted he was blind for a while and his Spider-sense became a radar sense to compensate he only gained that for 4 pages or so before his eye sight began to return. And seeing as he has had a week to get used to it in this fight I don't see why he would be so useless when he developed a radar sense after like a day.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro he is based on a Spider that has heigethened senses, not a gremlin. Logic dicatates that his senses do what DD says, but we are not given an explanantion.

Hey wait a minute DD does have ESP

Perception of aspects of others which most people cannot perceive, by means of[B] aura reading, medical intuition, clairsentience and telepathy etc.

Auras are energy fields and DD sense can do this.

Radar Sense: Daredevil can also sense the proximity and arrangement of objects about himself. According to one theory, Daredevil's "radar sense" functions via his brain's generation of energy within a certain portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. [/B]

doh

Logic also dictates that Sentry is impossible. That Hulk is impossible. That 99% of comics is impossible. Come on, dude. 🤨

Like it or not, the RADIOACTIVE spider-bite gave Peter E.S.P. His spider-sense is true pre-cog. He's sees/senses danger BEFORE it occurs.

Daredevil, however, does not. He just senses things AS THEY HAPPEN, and he does it REALLY quickly. He can ANTICIPATE (note: not predict) an opponent's moves based on their muscle movement and heart rate. It's a completely different thing that DD does.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well he gets a tingling in the base of the skull and you have a spider that does the samething. Thats not really speculation. Thats like saying its speculation that Jack Russell has a heightened sense of smell.

But Spider-Man has never been confirmed to be based on this particular spider. You're grasping for straws here.

Do you think that he can climb walls because of hairs on his fingers? Thats how spiders climb so that must be how he does it. Despite the fact that its been elluded to static electricity and various other means. How come he can spin webs if he's a man? Generally female spiders do that. How come the web comes from his wrists and not his butt? Why doesn't he ask Mary Jane to bite his head of and feast on his carcass? See why your logic fails here?

In the years he's been around he's stated outright that he doesn't know how it works and its been alluded many times to border on supernatural. Why do you keep going back to this spider?

Originally posted by Alfheim
So its still a sense. The mutant destiny has real pre-cog Spiderman does not until the retcon.

The definition of esp is that its outside of the 5 main senses. Spider-Man's spider-sense was always outside of those senses even before JMS made him magic. Whats the problem?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Hell no, they are just creating something new. Radioactive to mystical I dont think so somehow.

Radioactivity is still there. Its just that the spider may or may not have been mystical prior to its exposure. It really changes nothing about how his spider-sense was in the past cause its always been a form of esp.

Originally posted by marvelprince
No he doesn't. ESP is the ability to acquire information through means other than the five senses, usually delving into the realm of the supernatural

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_sensory_perception

Daredevil has enhanced senses and through a combination of his sense of touch and hearing he can read a person. But thats all he does. Read and interpret. He doesn't just magically know. There is a blueprint to attacks and Daredevil knows this so he knows what to look for. Spider-Man on the other hand just knows when there's danger.

What we're talking about here is being able to react to something without any prior knowledge of it. That is the essence of pre-cognition and what Daredevil does not have.

No it doesn't. Your probably going by what you see in the movie but the comic he's at best only been able to guess about how his spider-sense works and now its been said that his spider-sense is supernatural/mystical in nature

Well in essense, according to my understanding of your logic here, spiderman does not have precog either -- or if you are to consider spiderman having precog, you should too include daredevil.

From my understanding, your saying that precog in essense is the knowledge of a future event, through extrasensory means (and that in definition is precog).

But to not nitpick, and relative to thier abilities, if you are to consider Spidermans spidersense as precog, i dont see a valid reason to not consider daredevils as precog either.

Spiderman's spidersense rings (which would be extrasensory) and he must then react to the warning. Usually he has a very very solid idea of what is about to happen, and on a few occassians has actually seen an event. But 99% of the time, its just a VERY good hunch. And he is given this warning much further ahead than Daredevil. But truthfully? Spiderman does not telepathicly access the future and see the events transpireing ages before they happen, does this mean he doesnt have a form of mild precog? aboslutely not.

On the other hand, Daredevil reads the muscle contractions and nerves, in addition to other bodily singnals (combind with years of undersatnding) to determine when something is about to happen, and he is especially attuned to do so in a combat situation. Now simply becuase he doenst recieve this warning as early is spiderman does does not mean it isint precog. Their is no timesnap on precog. If it hasnt happened yet, it is Prior (pre) to it happening. The man has not pulled the trigger, yet daredevil was absolutely sure this man was going to shoot him (hypotheticly) so he is able to act accordingly. Can daredevils sense be wrong? Sure, but this is in no way a disqualifier. In the same way spidersense has been tricked before, or nullified by some villans.

Point being, both characters in contrast to who they are, or rather relative to who they are have mild forms of precog. If you are to consider one having it, you are inclined to do the same with the other. Spiderman gets a less specific warning further ahead, whereas daredevil can intelligently determine what is going to happen ahead of time through extrasensial measures (thier is nothing un-extrasense about reading someones muscle contractions as this is not the norm for a human being)

You cannot say one has it without saying the other does without running the risk of contradiction.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Ok you do realise that was only after he had just gone blind, the scans I posted he was blind for a while and his Spider-sense became a radar sense to compensate he only gained that for 4 pages or so before his eye sight began to return. And seeing as he has had a week to get used to it in this fight I don't see why he would be so useless when he developed a radar sense after like a day.

In the scans you posted, Spidey got lucky. He used his spidey sense as a low level radar. If he has a week to get used to being blinded, as i stated before, he wouldnt be COMPLETELY useless, but going against DD who can easily trick or overload the ss, he may as well be.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
doh

Logic also dictates that Sentry is impossible. That Hulk is impossible. That 99% of comics is impossible. Come on, dude. 🤨

C'mon man why are you using my arguments against me? I dont remember you using this arguement in Cap Vs Spidey. In fact thats an arguement me and Jinzin were using.

The fact of the matter is it has to make sense until the bios or the comics contradict it. Namor is supposed to be only able to lift 4O tons out of water but the writers have shown consistently that he can lift more.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Like it or not, the RADIOACTIVE spider-bite gave Peter E.S.P. His spider-sense is true pre-cog. He's sees/senses danger BEFORE it occurs.

Spiders have enhanced senses therefore logic tells us that Spiderman gains ESP from enhanced senses as well.

http://neurophilosophy.wordpress.com/2006/09/28/amazing-arachnids/

For most types of spider, mechanoreception is the most important sense. It is this sense that guides many aspects of arachnid behaviour. It enables a spider to detect the vibrations caused by the presence of an insect which is has been caught in its web or is crawling near its nest. It enables the Ogre-eyed spider to detect the air movements produced by insects flying overhead. Mechanoreception also enables spiders to localize the source of a vibration.

Several types of mechanosensory organs contain mechanoreceptor neurons and enable spiders to detect vibrations and air movements.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Daredevil, however, does not. He just senses things AS THEY HAPPEN, and he does it REALLY quickly. He can ANTICIPATE (note: not predict) an opponent's moves based on their muscle movement and heart rate. It's a completely different thing that DD does.

Thats were your wrong.

Originally posted by marvelprince
No he doesn't. ESP is the ability to acquire information through means other than the five senses, usually delving into the realm of the supernatural

Thats were your wrong take a look at Marvelprines's site

ESP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_sensory_perception

Perception of aspects of others which most people cannot perceive, by means of aura reading, medical intuition, clairsentience and telepathy etc.

Auras ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aura_%28paranormal%29#Science_and_auras

Ancient shamanic and modern New Age metaphysics identify the aura as electromagnetic fields. The existence of electromagnetic fields around all living and many nonliving objects is purportedly demonstrated through Kirlian photography.

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Dared...Matt_Murdock%29

Radar Sense: Daredevil can also sense the proximity and arrangement of objects about himself. According to one theory, Daredevil's "radar sense" functions via his brain's generation of energy within a certain portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.

So according to Marvelprince per-cog is simply a form of ESP that enables you to know events before they happen. According to the site enhanced senses can be a form of ESP and DD's senses come under it.

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Originally posted by marvelprince
But Spider-Man has never been confirmed to be based on this particular spider. You're grasping for straws here.

Do you think that he can climb walls because of hairs on his fingers? Thats how spiders climb so that must be how he does it. Despite the fact that its been elluded to static electricity and various other means. How come he can spin webs if he's a man? Generally female spiders do that. How come the web comes from his wrists and not his butt? Why doesn't he ask Mary Jane to bite his head of and feast on his carcass? See why your logic fails here?

My logic does not fail at all. Its common sense. The mistake your making is that I said that Spiderman is based on a Spider. You are now saying that he has to be exactly like a Spider. He is called Spiderman therefore he is based on a Spider he does not have to have the exact attributes to a spider but similar ones.

Why do you think Wolverine is short? Wolverines are short. Why do you think Wolverine had adamantuim bones and a healing factor? Wolverines are know for their toughness they are small mamals but have been know to fight and defeat Bears.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine

Wolverine

As is the norm for mustelids, the wolverine is a deceptively strong animal for its size and has been known to kill animals as large as moose.[1] Its preference fod human contact. However, because a wolverine will attack an animal caught in a trap, early trappers often tried to kill them. They have been filmed capturing kills from other predators, such as polar bears or a wolf pack. Wolverines are the most ferocious of the Mustelidae family.

Why does Wolverine have enhanced senses? Wolverines have heightened senses. Does this now mean that Wolverine has to urinate his territory?

Originally posted by marvelprince

In the years he's been around he's stated outright that he doesn't know how it works and its been alluded many times to border on supernatural. Why do you keep going back to this spider?

I dont care what he said where do you think the idea for the spider sense came from?

http://neurophilosophy.wordpress.co...zing-arachnids/

For most types of spider, mechanoreception is the most important sense. It is this sense that guides many aspects of arachnid behaviour. It enables a spider to detect the vibrations caused by the presence of an insect which is has been caught in its web or is crawling near its nest. It enables the Ogre-eyed spider to detect the air movements produced by insects flying overhead. Mechanoreception also enables spiders to localize the source of a vibration.

Several types of mechanosensory organs contain mechanoreceptor neurons and enable spiders to detect vibrations and air movements.

So what you are telling me that they just decided to give Spiderman a spider sense just because it was cool or did they decide to give him a spider sense because spiders have a enhanced senses?

Originally posted by marvelprince

The definition of esp is that its outside of the 5 main senses. Spider-Man's spider-sense was always outside of those senses even before JMS made him magic. Whats the problem?

Well according to your website DD's senses come under ESP.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Radioactivity is still there. Its just that the spider may or may not have been mystical prior to its exposure.

The spider was mystical because the writers told you so. C'mon man why were you complaining about Wolverine being immortaal he was'nt immortal before.

Originally posted by marvelprince

It really changes nothing about how his spider-sense was in the past cause its always been a form of esp.

Well according to your site enhanced senses come under ESP. I have already explained this. This does not mean that Spiderman knows things before they happen.

Oh yeah heres some more...

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Daredevil_%28Matthew_Murdock%29

The mutations that have heightened Daredevil’s level of sensitivity have also increased his awareness of other forms of electromagnetic radiation. He is capable of detecting and identifying any electromagnetic radiation on the standard scale; from radio waves, (which he can only detect, not understand the message) all the way to gamma waves, and everything in between. He is also able to judge the strength of a given radiation and even differentiate between individual colors by the amount of radiation they give off. At very close range, Daredevil is able to detect the micro voltage of a human being’s brain

Also according to Wiki medical intution comes under ESP. This does not mean every doctor has ESP, it means that if you medical diagnosis is extremely accurate then that comes under a form of ESP.

Furthermore if Spiderman's senses are superntaural why is it Green Goblin and Mysterio can create a gas to overide his senses? Sure you can use a nuke to kill a werewolf but within reason you have to use supernatural means to kill it.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Spiderman's spidersense rings (which would be extrasensory) and he must then react to the warning. Usually he has a very very solid idea of what is about to happen, and on a few occassians has actually seen an event. But 99% of the time, its just a VERY good hunch. And he is given this warning much further ahead than Daredevil. But truthfully? Spiderman does not telepathicly access the future and see the events transpireing ages before they happen, does this mean he doesnt have a form of mild precog? aboslutely not.

Doesn't matter if he's able to discern exactly what the threat is. As long as he's aware that there is a threat then he has pre-cog

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
On the other hand, Daredevil reads the muscle contractions and nerves, in addition to other bodily singnals (combind with years of undersatnding) to determine when something is about to happen, and he is especially attuned to do so in a combat situation. Now simply becuase he doenst recieve this warning as early is spiderman does does not mean it isint precog. Their is no timesnap on precog. If it hasnt happened yet, it is Prior (pre) to it happening. The man has not pulled the trigger, yet daredevil was absolutely sure this man was going to shoot him (hypotheticly) so he is able to act accordingly. Can daredevils sense be wrong? Sure, but this is in no way a disqualifier. In the same way spidersense has been tricked before, or nullified by some villans.

Actually the fact that he doesn't recieve an early warning means that its not pre-cog. Daredevil only knows to react because he can read the opponents movements. I can look at a person with jittering and guess that they're getting ready to walk away or waiting to move. If they do move it doesn't mean I'm now a psychic, it just means I know what to look for.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Point being, both characters in contrast to who they are, or rather relative to who they are have mild forms of precog. If you are to consider one having it, you are inclined to do the same with the other. Spiderman gets a less specific warning further ahead, whereas daredevil can intelligently determine what is going to happen ahead of time through extrasensial measures (thier is nothing un-extrasense about reading someones muscle contractions as this is not the norm for a human being)

No I dont. Spider-Man recieves a warning but Daredevil interprets warnings through sensory input. Of course what Daredevil does is "un-extra-sensual). He uses his senses to discern things. Just because his senses are not in the scope of normal sense doesn't mean anything. He uses his senses (however heightened they may be) therefore he doesn't have ESP

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
You cannot say one has it without saying the other does without running the risk of contradiction.

No it doesn't. Its easy to interpret the difference. Spider-Man, through means not within his five senses, recieves warnings of danger. Daredevil, through his enhanced senses, recieves sensory input and interprets it as danger. Both may achieve the same result but only Spider-Man's can be considered true ESP

Originally posted by Alfheim
Spiders have enhanced senses therefore logic tells us that Spiderman gains ESP from enhanced senses as well.

Logic does no such thing. Spider-Man has told us since his inception that his spider-sense is what warns him, not enhanced senses.

Originally posted by Alfheim
For most types of spider, mechanoreception is the most important sense. It is this sense that guides many aspects of arachnid behaviour. It enables a spider to detect the vibrations caused by the presence of an insect which is has been caught in its web or is crawling near its nest. It enables the Ogre-eyed spider to detect the air movements produced by insects flying overhead. Mechanoreception also enables spiders to localize the source of a vibration.

Spider-Man's spider-sense works on a much higher level than just sensing when somethings above him or tangled in his web. From years back its been speculated to be supernatural.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats were your wrong take a look at Marvelprines's site

ESP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_sensory_perception

Perception of aspects of others which most people cannot perceive, by means of [B]aura reading, medical intuition, clairsentience and telepathy etc.

Auras ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aura_%28paranormal%29#Science_and_auras

Ancient shamanic and modern New Age metaphysics identify the aura as electromagnetic fields. The existence of electromagnetic fields around all living and many nonliving objects is purportedly demonstrated through Kirlian photography.

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Dared...Matt_Murdock%29

Radar Sense: Daredevil can also sense the proximity and arrangement of objects about himself. According to one theory, Daredevil's "radar sense" functions via his brain's generation of energy within a certain portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.

So according to Marvelprince per-cog is simply a form of ESP that enables you to know events before they happen. According to the site enhanced senses can be a form of ESP and DD's senses come under it. [/B]

Wow. You really want to get technical. Ok then. Difference between Spider-Man and Daredevil that Spider-Man has precognition. Its a form of ESP but its more specific to what we're talking about right now. Precognition by definition is the ability to percieve information about future events before they happen (ala sensing danger) as opposed to to predicting them based on deductive reasoning and current knowledge (which is exactly what Daredevil does). It is a form of ESP but its a specific type that explains away the difference between both heroes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precognition

Originally posted by marvelprince
Logic does no such thing. Spider-Man has told us since his inception that his spider-sense is what warns him, not enhanced senses.

So has anybody gone into detail about how Spiderman's senses work like DD? So in other words before his retcon you dont know for certain wether it is pre-cog or enhanced senses.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Spider-Man's spider-sense works on a much higher level than just sensing when somethings above him or tangled in his web.

Missed the point. Spiders have heigthened senses, he is called Spiderman where do you think they got the idea from? I also showed you the similarities between the character Wolverine and a real Wolverine you did not address it.

Originally posted by marvelprince

From years back its been speculated to be supernatural.

Its been speculated so thats a lot of proof. Ok lets think about this shall we. Vampyres are usually killed by supernatural means, werewolves are usually killed by superntural means Spiderman's senses are supernatural but are usually overided with science. 🤨

I made this point before you did not address it.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Wow. You really want to get technical. Ok then. Difference between Spider-Man and Daredevil that Spider-Man has precognition. Its a form of ESP but its more specific to what we're talking about right now. Precognition by definition is the ability to percieve information about future events before they happen (ala sensing danger) as opposed to to predicting them based on deductive reasoning and current knowledge (which is exactly what Daredevil does). It is a form of ESP but its a specific type that explains away the difference between both heroes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precognition

Awww man. If you analysis what you're doing you are just telling me that Spiderman has pre-cog. Dont belive me look at the above post again. Before his retcon you cant say for ceratin wether its enhanced senses or pre-cog but the evidence points in the direction of enhanced senses.

Im going to list my points out later (or tommorrow), there are important points you have not addressed.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
doh

Logic also dictates that Sentry is impossible. That Hulk is impossible. That 99% of comics is impossible. Come on, dude. 🤨

Like it or not, the RADIOACTIVE spider-bite gave Peter E.S.P. His spider-sense is true pre-cog. He's sees/senses danger BEFORE it occurs.

Daredevil, however, does not. He just senses things AS THEY HAPPEN, and he does it REALLY quickly. He can ANTICIPATE (note: not predict) an opponent's moves based on their muscle movement and heart rate. It's a completely different thing that DD does.

Originally posted by MR.Grum
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Yes but the same person will tell you that Captain America shouldn't be able to hurt Spiderman with his punches. Double standards. Also if you bothered to read what I wrote afterwards you would know I have addressed that point.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes but the same person will tell you that Captain America shouldn't be able to hurt Spiderman with his punches. Double standards. Also if you bothered to read what I wrote afterwards you would know I have addressed that point.

Originally posted by MR.Grum
lol dosent fisk pwn spidey from time to time and hes just a wrestler 😆 o and yea looked at it

Well when you think about it that doesnt make sense either. Spiderman has spider sense and superhuman reflexes and Fisk does not.

Actually Fisk is not a wrestler he is a martial arts expert.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well when you think about it that doesnt make sense either. Spiderman has spider sense and superhuman reflexes and Fisk does not.

Actually Fisk is not a wrestler he is a martial arts expert.

Originally posted by MR.Grum
😐 i stil fial to see the point caps has human perfection on his side and could pwn fisk

Yeah I know Im agreeing with you.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So has anybody gone into detail about how Spiderman's senses work like DD? So in other words before his retcon you dont know for certain wether it is pre-cog or enhanced senses.

No no one has gone into detail about how they work like Daredevil's. All you really need to know is that he knows the danger is coming before it comes without relying on external information to deduce that. Doesn't matter the nature or how it works.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Missed the point. Spiders have heigthened senses, he is called Spiderman where do you think they got the idea from? I also showed you the similarities between the character Wolverine and a real Wolverine you did not address it.

But Spider-Man does not use heightened sense to sense danger. Have you ever seen Spider-Man say I can smell/hear/taste that he's going to attack? No, its cause his spider-sense operates outside his sixth senses.

Oh and I missed your comparison to Wolverine. Moot point anyway because in Wolverine's first appearance he was really only Wolverine like in attitude. He didn't have a adamantium skeleton or even true claws then. I get your comparison that heroes resemble the animals they're named for but you're taking it too far. It doesn't mean every aspect of them must be reflected by said animal avatar. If that was the case then Wolverine would be better called starfish. You can get a lot of similarities between characters and the animals they represent but you can't use it to explain everything (the adamantium skeleton for one, the healing factor) but what about the Wolverine stuff that we don't see Logan doing? How come we don't see his love of digging holes and such? Its silly to expect EVERY aspect of a hero to reflect on the animal and vice versa

Originally posted by Alfheim
Its been speculated so thats a lot of proof. Ok lets think about this shall we. Vampyres are usually killed by supernatural means, werewolves are usually killed by superntural means Spiderman's senses are supernatural but are usually overided with science. 🤨

What kind of logic is this? Just because someone is science based it can only be affected by science etc? Just because something is mystic based doesn't mean it can be effected by science. Just ask Doctor Strange.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Awww man. If you analysis what you're doing you are just [B]telling me that Spiderman has pre-cog. Dont belive me look at the above post again. Before his retcon you cant say for ceratin wether its enhanced senses or pre-cog but the evidence points in the direction of enhanced senses.[/B]

Please provide me with the evidence that shows me that Spider-Man's spider-sense is not a result of pre-cog. This is getting insulting now cause from the Spider-Man comics that I have from before the retcon they mention nothing of 'heightened senses' playing a role in helping him avoid danger. Its ALWAYS just been a 'sixth sense' that alerts him to trouble.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im going to list my points out later (or tommorrow), there are important points you have not addressed.

I though I was picking out the important ones. Relist the ones you think I need to touch on

Originally posted by marvelprince
No no one has gone into detail about how they work like Daredevil's. All you really need to know is that he knows the danger is coming before it comes without relying on external information to deduce that. Doesn't matter the nature or how it works.

So if you dont know exactly how it works you dont know if its not enhanced senses. Yes I know what you're going to say.

Originally posted by marvelprince

But Spider-Man does not use heightened sense to sense danger. Have you ever seen Spider-Man say I can smell/hear/taste that he's going to attack? No, its cause his spider-sense operates outside his sixth senses.

Maybe I did not make myself clear. The enhanced senses do not have to come from the five senses. As far as im concerned it could be energy from the brain but its not pre-cog in the sense that it enables him to see the future.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Oh and I missed your comparison to Wolverine. Moot point anyway because in Wolverine's first appearance he was really only Wolverine like in attitude. He didn't have a adamantium skeleton or even true claws then.

Yeah and...

Originally posted by marvelprince

I get your comparison that heroes resemble the animals they're named for but you're taking it too far. It doesn't mean every aspect of them must be reflected by said animal avatar.

I have already said this.

Originally posted by marvelprince

If that was the case then Wolverine would be better called starfish. You can get a lot of similarities between characters and the animals they represent but you can't use it to explain everything (the adamantium skeleton for one, the healing factor)

The healing factor and the skeleton make him durable. Wolverines are known for their toughness.....do the math.

Originally posted by marvelprince

but what about the Wolverine stuff that we don't see Logan doing? How come we don't see his love of digging holes and such? Its silly to expect EVERY aspect of a hero to reflect on the animal and vice versa

I already made this point. You are missing the point I have already told you that not everything will come from the creature they are based on, but when you have a character that has similar attributes to the avatar he is based on common sense dictates that the inspiration came from the creature.

Originally posted by marvelprince

What kind of logic is this? Just because someone is science based it can only be affected by science etc? Just because something is mystic based doesn't mean it can be effected by science. Just ask Doctor Strange.

Yes but when have you ever seen GG and Mysterio use magic against his senses. Werewolves and vampyres are usually killed by people with occult knowldege eventhough science can be used. If Spiderman was really a supernatrual being he would fight more superntaural opponents. Blade is usually in his own part of the MU, yes it does have scientfic aspects but is mostly supernatural.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Please provide me with the evidence that shows me that Spider-Man's spider-sense is not a result of pre-cog.

Maybe I did not make myself clear. If no explanation was given for DD's senses people would think its pre-cog. There is no explanation given to Spidermans senses therefore we have to look at the facts to see wether it pre-cog or senses.

Originally posted by marvelprince

This is getting insulting now

What like the time you said that DD does not have ESP. You rudely told me to read and intepret the link but later on we find out that according to your link that DD has ESP. I was pretty pissed off about that but I didnt say anything, so you better calm down.

Originally posted by marvelprince

cause from the Spider-Man comics that I have from before the retcon they mention nothing of 'heightened senses' playing a role in helping him avoid danger. Its ALWAYS just been a 'sixth sense' that alerts him to trouble.

Yes but you dont know how it works therefore you cannot rule out the impossibility of it being enhanced senses. As I said before it does not have to be one of the five senses.

Originally posted by marvelprince

I though I was picking out the important ones. Relist the ones you think I need to touch on

Meh...maybe tommorrow.

Ok the whole Spider-sense thing came from the fact Stan Lee was told that Spider's could see all around them with their 8 eyes, and due to the fact he didn't want to give Peter 8 eyes he gave him Spider-sense, i forget where I heard it but I remeber he said that in an interveiw.

Also the fact that we didn't know Spider-sense was pre cog before the retcon was look at Kaine, his Spider-sense was hightend so much he could see into the future, now what does that have to do with the other 5 sense's?

Also how did the clones cancel each others Spider-senses out? All the other 5 sense's weren't effected. Same with the symbiotes. If the Spider-sense was to do with the other 5 sense naturaly one of them must have noticed that for example their hearing was worse than normal etc. And why couldnt Venom cancel out Ben Reily's Spider-sense if it was as simple as dulling the other sense Venom could have done it again.