Originally posted by Metalmanx
I think we're all getting confused here. If we're talking about what ability is best in a fight, it's the Spider-Sense.That said, Spider-Man wins, via this ability.
I disagree, well
i guess on both counts
but purely an RS & SS, i can understand the oposition
as far as this fight goes though, i just can see him (spidey) winning more than two or three
Originally posted by jrodslamTrue DD has stated that hes no match for Spidey. Thats whye also constantly mentions how he cant ever give Spidey the change to get a good hit on him.
Yeah and what you have to understand is that Spdierman is not punching at full power. So imagine this, Spîderman is not punching at full power and DD is still saying that Spiderman hits hard. On this forum Spiderman will be using full force punches, he needs one hit and its good night DD.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and what you have to understand is that Spdierman is not punching at full power. So imagine this, Spîderman is not punching at full power and DD is still saying that Spiderman hits hard. On this forum Spiderman will be using full force punches, he needs one hit and its good night DD.
Exactly. This is a non-holding back Spider-Man (a Spider-Man this strong which KO'ed Rhino) against Daredevil. Sure Matt has rolled with Pete's punches before but circumstances are different here.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Sure Matt has rolled with Pete's punches before but circumstances are different here.
Yeah and even those punches that DD rolled with were not at full force. As you know Spiderman does not punch at full force because he does not want to hurt people like DD.
A non-blinded Spiderman would beat DD 10/10 on this forum.
Im repeating myself again.... 😮
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555In a "normal" fight, DD can only give Spiderman a workout, and that workout exists as long as Spiderman is willing to play with DD.
I disagree, welli guess on both counts
but purely an RS & SS, i can understand the oposition
as far as this fight goes though, i just can see him (spidey) winning more than two or three
Radar sense is not superior. You can give SpiderSense to anyone in the street and they become much harder to hit, Radar sense is much harder to use and takes more time, most of the abiliites won't mean anything in combat, because detecting something when it happened doesn't mean as much as doing it before it happened because of damage reasons.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and what you have to understand is that Spdierman is not punching at full power. So imagine this, Spîderman is not punching at full power and DD is still saying that Spiderman hits hard. On this forum Spiderman will be using full force punches, he needs one hit and its good night DD.
Spiderman punching at full power wouldnt help him much. What you seem to be forgetting is that Spiderman once tried to use his full punching speed on Daredevil and still was unsuccessful in landing good hits. Yes DD says that Spidey hits hard. Thats a given, but what usually follows that statement is "Good thing i was able to roll with the punch.." I understand that Spidey can use full force punches on this forum, but it still wont help him. I do agree that IF he were to land a good hit, DD is done for. Thats just aint happenin.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
In a "normal" fight, DD can only give Spiderman a workout, and that workout exists as long as Spiderman is willing to play with DD.Radar sense is not superior. You can give SpiderSense to anyone in the street and they become much harder to hit, Radar sense is much harder to use and takes more time, most of the abiliites won't mean anything in combat, because detecting something when it happened doesn't mean as much as doing it before it happened because of damage reasons.
In a "normal" fgiht DD has beat Spidey already. Spiderman wasnt playing at all either.
Radar sense is also superior as well. True its harder to learn and master, but once done, it pays off and shows its superiority. You mention most of the abilities of the radar wont mean anything in combat? How so? After learning how to use the radar to some degree, the person would become much harder to hit as well as someone with the ss. And radar is ALSO capable of detecting things before they happen. Not just when they happen.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and even those punches that DD rolled with were not at full force. As you know Spiderman does not punch at full force because he does not want to hurt people like DD.A non-blinded Spiderman would beat DD 10/10 on this forum.
Im repeating myself again.... 😮
As ive stated before. It doesnt matter if Spideys punches were/are full force or not, hes not gonna be able to land it clean enough to knock DD out. Blinded or non-blinded.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
In a "normal" fight, DD can only give Spiderman a workout, and that workout exists as long as Spiderman is willing to play with DD.Radar sense is not superior. You can give SpiderSense to anyone in the street and they become much harder to hit, Radar sense is much harder to use and takes more time, most of the abiliites won't mean anything in combat, because detecting something when it happened doesn't mean as much as doing it before it happened because of damage reasons.
(Most of my points that i was going to say have been covered by Jrodslams response to this, BUT)
Yes, radar sense is superior. Harder to master? Absolutely, but its bonuses pay off tremendously. Also, it does act as precog. Sure, not as forwarning as Spidersense, but Dardevil has over and over been able to read muscle movements combind with the assailants "feelings" (nerves) and make an accurate assumption on what manuver this person is about to generate. This takes alot more work, but this is how daredevil lives, so to assume that just because it cant neccesasirily be slapped on any other superhero and used with the same calibur isint entirely a fair compairison. All of this, in conjuction with DD's superhuman agility (although not on par with spidermans) and other reflexes -- ESPECIALLY, when he has given spiderman a run on a NORMAL day -- is more than enough to ensure that a BLIND spiderman, will not fair well against daredevil.
It is ESSENTIAL, durring a fight that spiderman use his vision in conjunction with his spidersense. He doesnt have it here. Keep in mind daredevil has tricked his spidersense before, and keep in mind Daredevil has radar sense, an argueably superior sense (even if only a little, but like i said argueably) Spiderman is going to wind up disoriented, and the pressure pointed and beaten into oblivion. IF spiderman lands a clean hit, off goes daredevils head, but that is extremely unlikely given the circumstances
Originally posted by jrodslam
On a couple of occasions(although he was mind controlled). One occasion(not mind contrlled, but pretty angry) he was fighting with all his speed and still couldnt land a good hit.
Mind-controlled = Not fighting correctly. I'm not trying to make excuses, but that's how it always is. Anyone mind-controlled just doesn't fight the way he/she normally would.
What was this other instance you speak of? When Spider-Man was angry and couldn't land a hit?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Mind-controlled = Not fighting correctly. I'm not trying to make excuses, but that's how it always is. Anyone mind-controlled just doesn't fight the way he/she normally would.What was this other instance you speak of? When Spider-Man was angry and couldn't land a hit?
Mind controlled = Not fighting correctly true. But it also sometimes means that they are going all out with their powers. Speed and Strength wise. However they dont fight as smart as they normally would. Although some do.
2nd and 3rd time they fought. And i didnt say Spidey couldnt land a hit. He couldnt land a good one.
There was also the instance where Spidey was in his black costume and was suuuper angry and DD had to ko him to stop him. Spidey wasnt mind controlled there.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Mind-controlled = Not fighting correctly. I'm not trying to make excuses, but that's how it always is. Anyone mind-controlled just doesn't fight the way he/she normally would.What was this other instance you speak of? When Spider-Man was angry and couldn't land a hit?
Probaly the story with sin eater in, where DD tricked the spider-sense by attacking with 2 things at once, and parker was so angry he didnt notice the second attack.
Originally posted by Sparkz
This should help proove that Spidey isn't going to be completley useless in this fight like some people seem to think.
Just remember who it was that trained Spidey somewhat and helped him use his SS better.
Spidey wouldnt be COMPLETELY useless, but hes hindered too much against DD like this.
DD's senses work on their own. Spidey uses his tracker.
While I'm not going to argue that Spidey was virtually useless in those scans, he was also reacting with hysteria from being blinded. If he were blind for a good period of time and trained himself to utilize only his spider-sense, I don't see any reason as to why he couldn't function normally. He's done it before, like when he walks through pitch-black places without hitting a thing, etc., etc.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Yes, radar sense is superior. Harder to master? Absolutely, but its bonuses pay off tremendously. Also, it does act as precog. Sure, not as forwarning as Spidersense, but Dardevil has over and over been able to read muscle movements combind with the assailants "feelings" (nerves) and make an accurate assumption on what manuver this person is about to generate. This takes alot more work, but this is how daredevil lives, so to assume that just because it cant neccesasirily be slapped on any other superhero and used with the same calibur isint entirely a fair compairison. All of this, in conjuction with DD's superhuman agility (although not on par with spidermans) and other reflexes -- ESPECIALLY, when he has given spiderman a run on a NORMAL day -- is more than enough to ensure that a BLIND spiderman, will not fair well against daredevil.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555It isn't essential at all that he uses it, it is his extra eye in combat. He instinctively uses it, if he bothered looking for most of his threats, it would be too late. Instead the system paints a stronger warning for stronger threats.
It is ESSENTIAL, durring a fight that spiderman use his vision in conjunction with his spidersense. He doesnt have it here. Keep in mind daredevil has tricked his spidersense before, and keep in mind Daredevil has radar sense, an argueably superior sense (even if only a little, but like i said argueably) Spiderman is going to wind up disoriented, and the pressure pointed and beaten into oblivion. IF spiderman lands a clean hit, off goes daredevils head, but that is extremely unlikely given the circumstances
Heres the problem i see for spidey here in this particular instance.
So, spiderman is blind. Daredevil is, "blind". When spidermans SS goes off as daredevil is going to attack him, naturally, he is going to react, and thiers a good chance he could dodge daredevil's attack. Its definately not a stretch at all to assume so.
On the other hand, daredevil is a very, very smart man, especially combat wise. Daredevil knows spiderman is blind here. Matt almost always fights in a way to exploit his opponnents weaknesses/mistakes. Granted, spiderman can make more mistakes due to spidersense and superior agility but point being; Hypotheticly, i dont see why daredevil wouldent seek to confuse spiderman by setting off his spidersense via billyclubs, or just generally play with spidermans spidersense, seeing that thats all he has to rely on. I mean, hes done it before, and since spiderman is lacking his vision here i dont see why that wuoldent be more inscentive to do so.
Now ill scale it back a bit, perhaps spiderman isint as useless as i once assumed he might be, seeing that he was blind at one point (and trained by daredevil) etc. But at the end of the day, daredevil has shown the ability to keep up with a functional spiderman before, and in an intelligent way.
And daredevil definately has the physical talent to take spiderman down. It may take some time, and in that time it increases the likelyhood of him catching a jab from spiderman, but if he keeps cool and patient (as he almost always does), spiderman is going to get knocked unconscious, or put through a strenuous ammount of pain via pressure strikes. I may be inclined to say daredevil just takes a small majority, but a majority none the less
