Wonder Woman vs. Hela

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Show me were it's stated that his weight was the equvilant to that of Eternity. If that were true the moon and that solar syatem would have collpased under his weight.

Thor's Earth serpent feat is more impressive than anything WW has ever done, however there's more.

such as...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/thor38809hc7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/thor38810yh9.jpg

Show me a feat of WW doing anything as impressive.

http://img212.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img...liftspectre.jpg
Read it, ETERNITY now what???@!!@!

http://img213.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img...lection53pu.jpg

Deflecting the power of the Entire Greek Pantheon. THor Gets Beaten By zeus alone!!

http://img222.echo.cx/my.php?image=...asteroid1oi.jpg

Not impressive? I think not!!

http://img129.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img...am-DCP_pg19.jpg

Locked in a test of strength against Superman

http://img163.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img...vsdemon41jt.jpg

Versus Etrigan, a being who has the power to collapse a fifth of a universe!!!

If links don't work, check the WW respect thread.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um first of all, Those aren't exactly Thor strength Feats. he seems to me to be using the Hammer. Also, Diana has her own feats to which Thor can't repeat or do as well. He can't hold a being like the spectre with his weapon. He can't Deflect all the power of the Greek Pantheon. Hell Thor got his ass beat by Zeus alone. You obviously dont' read much WW. She beat a Daxamite before. Beings who are much stronger than Even Superman. Show me a strength feat of Thor's where he lifts anythign as heavy as the Spectre. Then I'll shut up. Show me Thor and Drax holdin the LT and I'll concede that his strength feats top Diana's. As a matter of fact, There is a link that shows Diana in a test of strength against Superman as they are locked in battle. Superman's strength feats trump thors, and WW was locked in a test with Superman. Any way, This thread is not about thor.

Since when did Mjolnir have strength or provide strength or that matter? It's never been stated as much in comics so theres no reason to assume as much.

Again Mjolnir has never been stated to provide the user with extra strength, and has never itself been stated to have strength.

Again WW didn't lift the Spectre, she(with help) halped catch or shall I sat guide his fall. She didn't hold him as you stated, she with helped guided his fall. However this imo isn't that impressive considering you have nothing to compare the Spectres weight to, and all we really know is that he's heavy.

I hope your not throwing WW's feats out believeing that she anywhere near Thor in terms of raw power?

Your always telling posters that they must not read this, and they must not read that. If you ever picked up a Thor comic you wouldn't be saying stupid shit like Thor got his ass beaten by Zeus. If you wrent so tangled in your fanboy ways you would know that Zeus and Thor stalemated for months.

You really are trying to say that WW is as strong and powerful as Thor.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Since when did Mjolnir have strength or provide strength or that matter? It's never been stated as much in comics so theres no reason to assume as much.

Again Mjolnir has never been stated to provide the user with extra strength, and has never itself been stated to have strength.

Again WW didn't lift the Spectre, she(with help) halped catch or shall I sat guide his fall. She didn't hold him as you stated, she with helped guided his fall. However this imo isn't that impressive considering you have nothing to compare the Spectres weight to, and all we really know is that he's heavy.

I hope your not throwing WW's feats out believeing that she anywhere near Thor in terms of raw power?

Your always telling posters that they must not read this, and they must not read that. If you ever picked up a Thor comic you wouldn't be saying stupid shit like Thor got his ass beaten by Zeus. If you wrent so tangled in your fanboy ways you would know that Zeus and Thor stalemated for months.

You really are trying to say that WW is as strong and powerful as Thor.

First of all, Those feats you put up were not Thor Punching anything. Those where Thor striking something with his hammer. A hammer charged with ODIN Force. Nothing to do with Thor's Strength. Got me. Ok I"ll go even slower. Zeus could have beaten Thor any time he wanted. Even I know this. Hell Zeus even said so. And the Spectre carries the weight of the conciesness of Eternity. There is nothing to Speculate. Eternity is Infinite you WW hater. Also, Even if WW only pulled one 100th the weight of the Earth, That would still put her in the Billions of tons range. And we all know she was pulling her fair third of the Earth. Also, I put up a scan of WW in a strength Battle with Superman. Superman has many more Feats than Thor. I also put WW up against Etrigan. The being who can collapse a 5th of a universe. SO I really dont' knwo what planet u live on that you think Thor is SUperior to Diana. Besides, She has a couple tricks even he can't beat. The lasso, and the Godwave Punch. Not To mention a tiara or a sword that can kill him in one hit.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
what the hell does Thor's Strenght feats have to do with anything? The most I've seen thor do is move the midgard Serpant. Superman and Diana could both pull that feat off. I'm not that impressed. And the Spectres Weight is not Speculative. IT was said that they carried the weight of eternity. The reason they didn't give it an actual number is becuz it couldn't be one. Unlike Marvel who just likes to make up these rediculous numbers like millions of times more powerful than the Marvel multiverse combined crap, they just decided to leave it open to let you know that there was no ending to his weight. Which is why they eventully had to let him fall. And Even if she did pull the weight of the Earth with Two other beings, Since when has any Herald ever been shown doing a strength feat on that lvl? She's not exactly Low lvl Herald. Especially since No Herald under Morg WOL could pull 10/10 on her. Not if she's ready for them.

Well yeah, its quite possible than both Superman and WW could duplicate that feat.

But any of them alone? Or WW alone? She doesnt have on her lonesome feats with these kind of side effects. Thor wasent just pulling the Serpent, the whole contest (the Serpent was resisting the pull) created side effects on Earth. Like weatcher changing, earthquakes and stuff. The same with the armrestling match.

More. You claim that Mjolnir feats dont count because of the hammer`s nature. The same works for Diana, case in point:

You cant compare Thor vs Zeus with Diana and the Greek Phanteon. Thor against Zeus was an actual figth. WW deflecting the Phanteon blast to create a new Mountain, wasent.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Not To mention a tiara or a sword that can kill him in one hit.

How many gods you saw having the head actually cut *off*? Deimos and who else? The tiara can cut Thor, but cutting *off* is something we cant be certain. Deimos as sure as crystal is not even close to Thor`s level all around.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Eternity is Infinite you WW hater

Rubbish. The only thing they stated was that "Eternity" was "heavy". Not infinite, or anything else for that matter.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I also put WW up against Etrigan. The being who can collapse a 5th of a universe.

Based on?

Keep in mind that she had less impressive showings against him, outside the one from Byrne`s run.

Originally posted by olympian
Well yeah, its quite possible than both Superman and WW could duplicate that feat.

But any of them alone? Or WW alone? She doesnt have on her lonesome feats with these kind of side effects. Thor wasent just pulling the Serpent, the whole contest (the Serpent was resisting the pull) created side effects on Earth. Like weatcher changing, earthquakes and stuff. The same with the armrestling match.

Second. You claim that Mjolnir feats dont count because of the hammer`s nature. The same works for Diana, case in point:

You cant compare Thor vs Zeus with Diana and the Greek Phanteon. Thor against Zeus was an actual figth. WW deflecting the Phanteon blast to create a new Mountain, wasent.

More. How many gods you saw having the head actually cut *off*? One wich was Deimos, correct? The tiara can cut Thor, but cutting *off* is something we cant be certain. Deimos as sure as crystal is not even close to Thor`s level all around.

Rubbish. The only thing they stated was that "Eternity" was *heavy*. Not infinite. Or anything else.

Actually I meant Diana or Superman alone could pull off the serpant thing. And it just amazes me how you can't extrapolate what the weight of the concieus of eternity meant. IF Superman, who has many more feats of strength than Thor and better ones I might add, is hold up the spectre with WW, and they are both holding him up from equal sides, theyhave to be holding up equal weight. Or else she would have dropped her side first. Seeing that Superman was at the height of his lifting capacity, it doesn't take a genious to figure out that Diana was matching him, How ever briefly,since they were both holding opposite sides of the same being. Your telling me that Superman's max lifting capacity is trumped by Thor? Becuz That is basically what you would have to be able to do to trump Diana's Lifting power. s far as creating a new moutain, you aare using cheap wording to try and down play the feat. It wasn't just a mountin. It was Olympus. And they took all of thier combined might and blasted against her shield to destroy Olympus. Which is how much power it took to destroy and make a new "mountain' as you like to call it. It just amazes me that someone can post feats of thor's and it's ok, but when I post scans of Diana's, you find a way to deconstruct the awesomeness of her feats. come on bub. Your showing thru and thru.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually I meant Diana or Superman alone could pull off the serpant thing. And it just amazes me how you can't extrapolate what the weight of the concieus of eternity meant

It meant what was stated. Something heavy. Other than that, the how much its all speculation.

The last statement its meant to be comedic im sure. You *know* how much "Eternity weigths"? Really?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IF Superman, who has many more feats of strength than Thor and better ones I might add, is hold up the spectre with WW, and they are both holding him up from equal sides, theyhave to be holding up equal weight.

Bravo. And that helps us to measure the weigth they wer trying to hold, how?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your telling me that Superman's max lifting capacity is trumped by Thor? Becuz That is basically what you would have to be able to do to trump Diana's Lifting power

I didnt compared Thor to Superman. But since you asked, they both have at theyr best planet shaking force and above.

Diana, doesnt. And that is without even counting the Spectre feat for Superman.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
s far as creating a new moutain, you aare using cheap wording to try and down play the feat. It wasn't just a mountin. It was Olympus. And they took all of thier combined might and blasted against her shield to destroy Olympus. Which is how much power it took to destroy and make a new "mountain' as you like to call it.

I call it the same thing that Heracles did, when he explained the feat to Hypollita.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
but when I post scans of Diana's, you find a way to deconstruct the awesomeness of her feats. come on bub. Your showing thru and thru.

So, where was it showed/stated that the Demon could colappsed a 5th of a Universe?

Originally posted by olympian
It meant what was stated. Something heavy. Other than that, the how much its all speculation.

The last statement its meant to be comedic im sure. You *know* how much "Eternity weigths"? Really?

Bravo. And that helps us to measure the weigth they wer trying to hold, how?

I didnt compared Thor to Superman. But since you asked, they both have at theyr best planet shaking force and above.

Diana, doesnt. And that is without even counting the Spectre feat for Superman.

I call it the same thing that Heracles did, when he explained the feat to Hypollita.

So, where was it showed/stated that the Demon could colappsed a 5th of a Universe?

Superman has on many occasions Mentioned that Him and Diana are physical Equals. The Omac Files show them as Physical Equals. Diana has been shown to stalemate Captain Marvel who has been shown to Stalemate Superman. Superman has told DIana that he considers her the planet's next line of Defense after himself. With all the Superbeings running around on DC's earth. that is saying alot. If Diana can help tow the Earth, what makes you think she doesn't have planet shaking force? That one doesn't make sense to me. 😕 😕 You are trying to down play her power. When you can name 10 beings who have gone toe to toe with Superman as many times as Diana has then i'll concede that she doesn't have planet shaking power. As a matter of fact, she draws her strength from the planet itself. Also, the Demon along with DS, Dr. Fate, Orion, and Highfather collapsed a universe.

Calling Diana Herald-level is comparitive. She's more powerful than Terrax or Firelord, probably, but she couldn't defeat the Silver Surfer.

Regarding Hela - keep in mind she has a pact with Mistress Death to choose anyone for her realm, Asgardian or Human. No one is off limits, which is why the touch of death or decaying should work against WW.

Originally posted by roughrider
Calling Diana Herald-level is comparitive. She's more powerful than Terrax or Firelord, probably, but she couldn't defeat the Silver Surfer.

Regarding Hela - keep in mind she has a pact with Mistress Death to choose anyone for her realm, Asgardian or Human. No one is off limits, which is why the touch of death or decaying should work against WW.

No one is saying that it couldn't work. We also know that Diana has the goods to take down Hela. Especially since Diana could see Hela's weakness with her eyes of a Goddess. She also has Weapons that even out the playing field. I've already given them 5/5 each.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman has on many occasions Mentioned that Him and Diana are physical Equals. The Omac Files show them as Physical Equals. Diana has been shown to stalemate Captain Marvel who has been shown to Stalemate Superman. Superman has told DIana that he considers her the planet's next line of Defense after himself

Yes. And hes told Captain Marvel the same thing, and Black Adam the same thing and MM the same thing.

The main difference is, where strength is concerned, *some* actually showed it besides being stated.

Captain Marvel did. BA did. MM otoh hand usually doesnt. WW usually doesnt. She usually ends up relying on skills, and gear where others (read, CM and BA) dont.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If Diana can help tow the Earth, what makes you think she doesn't have planet shaking force?

On her lonesome? Not to be rude, but...is there an echo in here?

The main point: where does she have a contest against another being/top tier where she generates that kind of force/ it shows up as a side effect of the struggle?

We are not talking about the same thing. Give fligth to Hulk and Herc and together with Thor, they can town the planet. But it wont be a feat to either alone. Have Thor going against Hercules in an armwrestling match and see that kind of force being generated. Its different. They arent backing each other up, they are testing strength against the other.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are trying to down play her power.

I place her exactly where she shows to be. Top tier, but not exactly on par with Superman. For all the talk about if Hercules or Thor are exactly on that place inside the class, they have feats backing it up, to whoever defends them.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also, the Demon along with DS, Dr. Fate, Orion, and Highfather collapsed a universe.

If he did it along with all of them, it doesnt count as a feat for him, does it?

Because you sold it out as WW going against a being who could colapse a 5th of a universe where he was only part of a larger group.

Out of curiosity, in what comic did that one happened?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Low Lvl herald level character? How many Heralds can hold up the Spectre or Pull the Earth?

A low to mid herald level classification is completely fair to WW. That means that she's above people like the Hulk, but lower than the likes of Superman or Surfer.

We dont have to worry about PIS in that one, since it wasent stated as such.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't say that she was definitely low herald level, I said low/mid herald level. And the majority of her feats back up that assessment. If her lifting Spectre is the same as her lifting the weight of the universe(even with help), then that's just an example of PIS for EVERYONE concerned. The universe would have an INFINITE weight, and even if the weight were divided between a thousand other people, that would mean that each of them were still lifting an infinite amount of weight. So the Spectre feat wasn't ACTUALLY lifting the weight of the universe, or it was PIS, it's that simple.

A low to mid herald level classification is completely fair to WW. That means that she's above people like the Hulk, but lower than the likes of Superman or Surfer.

Low to mid lvl herald lvl beings dont' get quoted as being two of the mightiest beings in existance. Not when DC beings are concerned. YOu'd have to be High tier herald lvl or better. As a matter of fact, I'd wager that if the Surfer couldn't produce a certain red sun or kryptonite effect on superman, he wouldnt' be able to beat him either.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Low to mid lvl herald lvl beings dont' get quoted as being two of the mightiest beings in existance. Not when DC beings are concerned. YOu'd have to be High tier herald lvl or better. As a matter of fact, I'd wager that if the Surfer couldn't produce a certain red sun or kryptonite effect on superman, he wouldnt' be able to beat him either.

Surfer would beat the mess out of Superman and Wonder Woman. Actually now that I think about it, any herald could potentially defeat WW.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First of all, Those feats you put up were not Thor Punching anything. Those where Thor striking something with his hammer. A hammer charged with ODIN Force. Nothing to do with Thor's Strength. Got me. Ok I"ll go even slower. Zeus could have beaten Thor any time he wanted. Even I know this. Hell Zeus even said so. And the Spectre carries the weight of the conciesness of Eternity. There is nothing to Speculate. Eternity is Infinite you WW hater. Also, Even if WW only pulled one 100th the weight of the Earth, That would still put her in the Billions of tons range. And we all know she was pulling her fair third of the Earth. Also, I put up a scan of WW in a strength Battle with Superman. Superman has many more Feats than Thor. I also put WW up against Etrigan. The being who can collapse a 5th of a universe. SO I really dont' knwo what planet u live on that you think Thor is SUperior to Diana. Besides, She has a couple tricks even he can't beat. The lasso, and the Godwave Punch. Not To mention a tiara or a sword that can kill him in one hit.

Find some proof that states that Mjolnir enhances Thor's strength or shut up. If you would take your head out of your behind you would know that any being that is worthy enough to wield Mjolnir receives all the power of Thor. That includes strength, speed, durability, etc.

BTW, on the previous page I posted scans of Thor punching through a dimensional wall.

Well ya the comic displayed otherwise, I mean Zeus just beating the shit out of Thor.

Zeus said nothing of the sort, he stated he was holding back yet was impressed with Thor's power and resilience.

You do know that if Spectre weight was the equivalent to Eternity that the very moon and the universe itself would have collapsed under his weight? however it didn't meaning that he may have weighed "a lot" but it sure the hell didn't equal all of Eternity.

That may be true, but we don't even know how much of the weight she was obligated to pull. For all we know, Superman and MM were baring all the weight of the planet while she was pulling a small portion.

Superman doesn't have way more strength feats than Thor.

You do know that Thor has absorbed a blast that would have destroyed a 5th of the universe?

The planet of logic and knowledge is the planet I live on, this is something you obviously lack.

Thor, Superman, Silver Surfer >>>>>>>>>>> WW

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Find some proof that states that Mjolnir enhances Thor's strength or shut up. If you would take your head out of your behind you would know that any being that is worthy enough to wield Mjolnir receives all the power of Thor. That includes strength, speed, durability, etc.

BTW, on the previous page I posted scans of Thor punching through a dimensional wall.

Well ya the comic displayed otherwise, I mean Zeus just beating the shit out of Thor.

Zeus said nothing of the sort, he stated he was holding back yet was impressed with Thor's power and resilience.

You do know that if Spectre weight was the equivalent to Eternity that the very moon and the universe itself would have collapsed under his weight? however it didn't meaning that he may have weighed "a lot" but it sure the hell didn't equal all of Eternity.

That may be true, but we don't even know how much of the weight she was obligated to pull. For all we know, Superman and MM were baring all the weight of the planet while she was pulling a small portion.

Superman doesn't have way more strength feats than Thor.

You do know that Thor has absorbed a blast that would have destroyed a 5th of the universe?

The planet of logic and knowledge is the planet I live on, this is something you obviously lack.

Thor, Superman, Silver Surfer >>>>>>>>>>> WW

IS anyone supposed to take you seriously? If this were the case, Superman would have been able to kill diana since he thought she was doomsday who had just killed Lois. I think that your just a tad bit uninformed or bias. And I'll say it again, Without A specific use of one of Superman's weakness, Silver Surfer can't beat Superman. Any more than Thor could if Superman had a resistance to magic. And No where in any of my ****ing post, did you see me say the Hammer was amping thor's strenth. stop being a dick and looking for the wrong shit. Look for what i'm saying. I said that those feats that were posted didn' tlook like strength feats to me. He was hitting something with the hammer. Which is charged with Odin force. I doubt he could have caused the same amount of DMG with just his fist. TARD

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IS anyone supposed to take you seriously? If this were the case, Superman would have been able to kill diana since he thought she was doomsday who had just killed Lois. I think that your just a tad bit uninformed or bias. And I'll say it again, Without A specific use of one of Superman's weakness, Silver Surfer can't beat Superman. Any more than Thor could if Superman had a resistance to magic. And No where in any of my ****ing post, did you see me say the Hammer was amping thor's strenth. stop being a dick and looking for the wrong shit. Look for what i'm saying. I said that those feats that were posted didn' tlook like strength feats to me. He was hitting something with the hammer. Which is charged with Odin force. I doubt he could have caused the same amount of DMG with just his fist. TARD

Most poster do, except for you of course. It seems to me that you just don't face fact and truth well.😬

He didn't kill her, just hogged the shit out of her. Fact remains that he's more powerful though.

Yes Surfer and Thor can defeat Superman. It's called versatility, the same reason he would lose to a GL. Surfer could drop him in a black hole, Thor could shrink him or shove Mjolnir down his throat, a GL could do well... just about anything he so wishes.

You said that it wasn't a strength feat for Thor, but for the hammer thus implying that Mjolnir alone amped his strength or has strength.

Your always ranting about reporting people for insulting you yet you seem to carelessly throw that "dick" word around.

I told you already that there's a scan on the previous page showing Thor "punching" through a dimensional wall.

Your doubts mean nothing without proof.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Most poster do, except for you of course. It seems to me that you just don't face fact and truth well.😬

He didn't kill her, just hogged the shit out of her. Fact remains that he's more powerful though.

Yes Surfer and Thor can defeat Superman. It's called versatility, the same reason he would lose to a GL. Surfer could drop him in a black hole, Thor could shrink him or shove Mjolnir down his throat, a GL could do well... just about anything he so wishes.

You said that it wasn't a strength feat for Thor, but for the hammer thus implying that Mjolnir alone amped his strength or has strength.

Your always ranting about reporting people for insulting you yet you seem to carelessly throw that "dick" word around.

I told you already that there's a scan on the previous page showing Thor "punching" through a dimensional wall.

Your doubts mean nothing without proof.

First of all, How many people in Marvel are in Diana's Strength Range? how many of them are as resistant to magic as she is? She's more resistant to magic, telepathy, and matter transmution than Thor is. And your saying he dogged the shit out of her, did you read the same story I did? she was holding back. She knew he was out of his mind with rage and anger. I also remember her making his ears bleed and breaking some ribs. Now how many beings in comics have actually broken Superman's bones. Nothing but the very highest of tier characters are in Diana's Strength Range, Nothing but the highest calibur opponents have ever broken superman's bones. So I am quite puzzed about your equation of Superman/Thor/And surfer. And if your talking versatility, Hell Diana has that in the Bag as well. Cuz she has as many one use powers as Thor. and can get even more.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IS anyone supposed to take you seriously? If this were the case, Superman would have been able to kill diana since he thought she was doomsday who had just killed Lois. I think that your just a tad bit uninformed or bias. And I'll say it again, Without A specific use of one of Superman's weakness, Silver Surfer can't beat Superman. Any more than Thor could if Superman had a resistance to magic. And No where in any of my ****ing post, did you see me say the Hammer was amping thor's strenth. stop being a dick and looking for the wrong shit. Look for what i'm saying. I said that those feats that were posted didn' tlook like strength feats to me. He was hitting something with the hammer. Which is charged with Odin force. I doubt he could have caused the same amount of DMG with just his fist. TARD