Darth Vader versus Darth Bane

This is a perfect example of how dumb your posts can be. It displays sheer idiocy and ignorance; the fact that you would believe being a force user has no bearing on how well you can defend against force attacks is simply idiotic.

The point you fail to get is I wasn't taking into account the force sensitivity of recipient of Vaders onslaught, it was the mere fact that he has and can do the feat, Force Sensitivity as I said in this case is regardless. And in the case of the Wookies it was regardless, had the person been a force user I would have specified, but its regardless so there is no need to. That said its your hard on for everything done by a character, not Bane, has to be done too a force user. Thats your problem, not mine.

Now believe me when I say this, I'm not replying because I can't be bothered too, not because I can't. Debating against you is draining. It's not because you're good, it's because your tactics drain and tire the person you're up against (you're a big fan of irrelevant misdirection and unnecessarily drawing out debates). Kinda like how Lightsnake debates, except he's also actually good. You're not.

The point you fail to get is I wasn't taking into account the force sensitivity of recipient of Vaders onslaught, it was the mere fact that he has and can do the feat, Force Sensitivity as I said in this case is regardless.

Who are you trying to kid here AC? Are you hoping that people will just read that post without reading the others and assume that you are correct based on your deceptive attitude?

Now this was your original point:
'Vader can crush foes in an instant.'

Then, when I pointed out that Vader only was able to do this to non force users, you replied by saying that whether the person on the receiving end of the attack was a force user or non force user makes no difference, which is simply bs. A force user has the capabilities to defend against that kind of attack, a non force user doesn't. Now I really don't see how you think you can save yourself by talking bs about reading comprehension and force sensitivity, but face it, you are wrong.

That said its your hard on for everything done by a character, not Bane, has to be done too a force user. Thats your problem, not mine.

This makes sense.. 🙄

*Yawn* Insults aren't your strong suit, stick too irrelevant points, misquotes, lying, and sheer fanboyism, thats the Sock we all know and love!

Right, because that was me insulting you.. And seriously dude, you're not quite in the position to talk, considering Darth fricking Subjekt (not exactly the wittiest guy, eh?) burned the hell out of you, made you look silly.

[Who are you trying to kid here AC? Are you hoping that people will just read that post without reading the others and assume that you are correct based on your deceptive attitude?

Now this was your original point:
'Vader can crush foes in an instant.'

Then, when I pointed out that Vader only was able to do this to non force users, you replied by saying that whether the person on the receiving end of the attack was a force user or non force user makes no difference, which is simply bs. A force user has the capabilities to defend against that kind of attack, a non force user doesn't. Now I really don't see how you think you can save yourself by talking bs about reading comprehension and force sensitivity, but face it, you are wrong.

Again the idiot can't read and gets things wrong, I wasn't talking about the power "force crush" I never even said force crush although he can do that too, I meant he can crush foes in an instant, literally, which he has done. And Force Sensitivity is not a factor in that to do the feat, he's done it too Jedi and regulars alike, Even the some of the strongest have gotten owned by Vader (Dark Lady). So in all I do apologize for not clarifying myself but its still you own fault for having not being able to read a sentence properly (Am I surprised) No wonder you posts gems like this

"Non force users. Vader choked Quordis to death as if he were a child."

Right, because that was me insulting you.. And seriously dude, you're not quite in the position to talk, considering Darth fricking Subjekt (not exactly the wittiest guy, eh?) burned the hell out of you, made you look silly.

When...and since when is insults a show of intelligence? Its only a degrading thing that has no baring on intelligence, you being able to do them attests to this.

Again the idiot can't read and gets things wrong,

Are these the kind of insults you were talking about? Hot stuff!

I wasn't talking about the power "force crush" I never even said force crush although he can do that too, I meant he can crush foes in an instant, literally, which he has done. And Force Sensitivity is not a factor in that to do the feat, he's done it too Jedi and regulars alike, Even the some of the strongest have gotten owned by Vader (Dark Lady). So in all I do apologize for not clarifying myself but its still you own fault for having not being able to read a sentence properly

OK, I see how the confusion has arisen here, but this is completely a strike against you, not me. Given the context you used the word 'crush', who wouldn't think you were referring to force crush? I don't know if you actually do this on purpose, perhaps you do, but your points are often very vague to the point where it's pretty hard not to miss your point.

(Am I surprised)

well are you?

No wonder you posts gems like this

"Non force users. Vader choked Quordis to death as if he were a child."

Refer to the draining tactic you do that I talked about earlier.

When...and since when is insults a show of intelligence?

Did I say that? Reading comprehension not quite working for you, eh?

intelligence,

Debatable.

you being able to do them attests to this.

And this is why Subjekt made you look silly, LOL! 😆

Adding laughing smilies (I hate that stupid thing and the damn banana) to your points don't make them fact/right/funny. You mis interpreted it, you got it wrong, you took it out of context, I didn't say anything about the force, and you even get your own posts wrong, you being a retard has nothing to do with me, your lack of reading comprehension has no barring on me, so now can we move forward and let you continue to embarrass yourself.

Adding laughing smilies (I hate that stupid thing and the damn banana) to your points don't make them fact/right/funny.

I'm not saying that what I said was funny, I just find the fact that Subjekt merked you hilarious. 😂 I also find the fact that you insult like a middle aged person pretty funny too.

You mis interpreted it, you got it wrong, you took it out of context, I didn't say anything about the force, and you even get your own posts wrong, you being a retard has nothing to do with me, your lack of reading comprehension has no barring on me,

Well when you write like a seven year old, it's sometimes hard to get you.

so now can we move forward and let you continue to embarrass yourself.

Darth Sexy, much? 🙂

I could care less about your last post.

don't know if you actually do this on purpose, perhaps you do, but your points are often very vague to the point where it's pretty hard not to miss your point.

Actually, your the only person who seems to have this problem: Escape gets it, Darth Sexy gets it, Lightsnake gets it, Advent gets it, everyone from my previous forum got it. Its only you. So excuse me if I expect everyone to be of an average intelligence level, and have some basic reading comprehension. Anywho come now sock, lets get on with this...

I could care less about your last post.

Now now, no need to get moody.

Anyways, 'whom'? 'anywho'? You a 60 year old historian or something?

Actually, your the only person who seems to have this problem: Escape gets it, Darth Sexy gets it, Lightsnake gets it, Advent gets it, everyone from my previous forum got it. Its only you.

It's nice that they can see past your misleading grammar. 🙂
Also, the fact that you included Darth Sexy in that list makes it clear that you're talking rubbish. He's been known to suffer from terrible reading comprehension. So thanks for making it clear that you're lying there buddy! 👆

Let's try to get this back on track, please...

Whatever sock, I've no ambition to go on with you on an irrelevant topic (your idiocy) either get back on topic, post a reply, or stop wasting my time.

Fine by me.

Anyways, I really don't see how Vader would contend with this kind of speed:

'He waited until the last possible second before unleashing the energy bolted up inside of him in a tremendous rush of power. He channelled it through his muscles and limbs, moving so fast it seemed as if time had stopped for the rest of the world. In the blink of an eye he knocked the saber from Sirak's hand, sliced down to shatter his forearm, then spun through and and brought his saber crashing into his opponent's lower leg. It splintered under the impact and Sirak screamed as a shard of gleaming white bone sliced through muscle, sinew and finally skin.'
For an instant none of the spectators [force users] was even aware of what had happened; it took their minds a moment to catch up and register the blur of action that had occurred so much quicker than their eyes could see. - PoD, PG 170.

We've seen ANH, we've seen him try his hardest, and he's a slow piece of crap.

Read RODV.

Don't need to, I can just watch ANH, and Vader sucks ass, bad. And don't act as if he wasn't trying or anything, it's been confirmed that he tried his hardest, and even if he didn't, it's not like you would appear as a clumsy, slow, unagile duelist just because you are holding back from killing someone.

And I'm not gonna argue moot points.

I've proved:

A. Vader was not trying his hardest, why would he he was confident he would win from the start, he could feel Obi Wans DRAMATIC decline in power.

B. We've seen Vader try his hardest, it was against Maul.

C. Force Speed. Plain and Simple

D. They were weakling Sith students who could barley form stains of Sith Lightning when every generic neophyte under the sun can do it. Of course their eyes wouldn't be able to follow the action, same as Liea watching Luke v Sidious, because she was so weak at the time she couldn't keep up.

Bring something new about Banes speed that was NOT against a weakling student, who could barley form lightning. The you'll have an argument. Vaders speed has already been proved, remember I owned you in a topic called Darth Vader vs Count Dooku a few days back.

Originally posted by Sexyback
Don't need to, I can just watch ANH, and Vader sucks ass, bad. And don't act as if he wasn't trying or anything, it's been confirmed that he tried his hardest, and even if he didn't, it's not like you would appear as a clumsy, slow, unagile duelist just because you are holding back from killing someone.

Bad technology in the 70's, bad choreography, Lucas wanting lightsabers to be heavy weapons that took alot to swing...then changing his mind.
Script:
"The two Galactic warriors stand perfectly still for a few
moments, sizing each other up and waiting for the right
moment. Ben seems to be under increasing pressure and strain,
as if an invisible weight were being placed upon him. He
shakes his head and, blinking, tries to clear his eyes.
Ben makes a sudden lunge at the huge warrior but is checked
by a lightning movement of The Sith. A masterful slash stroke
by Vader is blocked by the old Jedi. Another of the Jedi's
blows is blocked, then countered. Ben moves around the Dark
Lord and starts backing into the massive starship hangar. The
two powerful warriors stand motionless for a few moments with
laser swords locked in mid-air, creating a low buzzing sound."

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
And I'm not gonna argue moot points.

I've proved:

A. Vader was not trying his hardest, why would he he was confident he would win from the start, he could feel Obi Wans DRAMATIC decline in power.

I've already disproved this. He was stated in the Ultimate Visual Guide to have done his best against Obi-Wan, I already quoted this, and you seemed to tackle it with a strawman IIRC.

B. We've seen Vader try his hardest, it was against Maul.

And he basically got bested. But this doesn't matter as he did try his hardest against Ben.

C. Force Speed. Plain and Simple

1. This isn't KotOR, you know. Force speed isn't a basic power that just anybody can execute once they've learnt it.

2. All jedi are trained to use the force to augment their speed, however to try and downplay a considerable usage of the technique by just saying that it's force speed which anybody can execute is ridiculous. The fact is, while most force users learn how to slightly enhance their speed with the force, not many have shown the ability to move that fast. It's extremely impressive, it's beyond Vader, Vader wouldn't be able to cope with it.

D. They were weakling Sith students who could barley form stains of Sith Lightning

That was after 1 hour of originally learning the technique, failed to mention that, didn't you?

when every generic neophyte under the sun can do it.

On their first try?

Of course their eyes wouldn't be able to follow the action, same as Liea watching Luke v Sidious, because she was so weak at the time she couldn't keep up.

The students that couldn't quite keep up with Bane's actions had been trained to use the force for years, calling them weak without proving it doesn't quite lessen the feat.

Bring something new about Banes speed that was NOT against a weakling student,

Sirak, a weakling student? Are you having a laugh? he was so powerful that most of the sith thought he might actually be the sith'ari instead of Bane.

who could barley form lightning.

Quit lying, he shows quite clearly in his final battle with Bane how to summon force lightning. Did you even read PoD? It was after having just learnt force lightning that he could barely summon it.

The you'll have an argument. Vaders speed has already been proved, remember I owned you in a topic called Darth Vader vs Count Dooku a few days back.

Right, because I never replied, that means you owned me. 🙄
Please, I provided plenty of proof, all you did was either ignore it or attempt to, but fail to work around it. It's been proven that Vader's slow.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Bad technology in the 70's, bad choreography, Lucas wanting lightsabers to be heavy weapons that took alot to swing...then changing his mind.
Script:
"The two Galactic warriors stand perfectly still for a few
moments, sizing each other up and waiting for the right
moment. Ben seems to be under increasing pressure and strain,
as if an invisible weight were being placed upon him. He
shakes his head and, blinking, tries to clear his eyes.
Ben makes a sudden lunge at the huge warrior but is checked
by a [B]lightning movement of The Sith. A masterful slash stroke
by Vader is blocked by the old Jedi. Another of the Jedi's
blows is blocked, then countered. Ben moves around the Dark
Lord and starts backing into the massive starship hangar. The
two powerful warriors stand motionless for a few moments with
laser swords locked in mid-air, creating a low buzzing sound." [/B]

Those are only out-of-story explanations which means squat in these debates. The fact is, the highest form of canon shows Vader being slow, George Lucas aka Star Wars God has confirmed this, anything that contradicts that fact is rendered invalid. So unlucky.

Originally posted by Sexyback
Those are only out-of-story explanations which means squat in these debates. The fact is, the [b]highest form of canon shows Vader being slow, George Lucas aka Star Wars God has confirmed this, anything that contradicts that fact is rendered invalid. So unlucky. [/B]

The highest form of canon(the movies) has just proven this 🙄

Bullshit, he fought to the fullest in ANH, the Ultimate Visual Guide proves this.

Then i guess TESB and ROTJ contradicts ANH because we saw vader faster than he was in ANH,

By the way, being slow doesnt mean you get pwned, Oponents were
faster than vader was and yet vader could pwn them with saber skills alone.

Contradiction? No-no, leland chee or GL himself would make statements if there were contradictions with vader